Casio CZ/ VZ/ FZ - Pro Series

Look we all know there is a dodgy version of Midi Quest so lets stop  
pussyfooting around,I don't use it in fact I uninstalled it but I  
tried it and the program was superb.

On 20 Aug 2013, at 18:22, analogmonster@... wrote:

> His reasoning makes a lot of sense actually. Midi quest has boxes in  
> its preferences to slow data down by x ms per byte and a few other  
> options. I think soundiver has an option for setting the data rate  
> also.
>
> I had (still have tbh) problems with midi quest and an ensoniq  
> synth, and contacted midi quest tech support. They basically  
> explained it the same way-modern pcs processors are too fast for the  
> processor within the synth. The data is still received at 31.25,  
> that rate never changes for serial midi. it's just that you are  
> essentially overloading the processor with data.

Correct

>
> Playing with the settings within midi quest under tech supports  
> instruction got a number of my synths working with it in a very  
> stable manor. The ensoniq never played nice because at the time I  
> was mac only and one of the parameters I needed to change wouldn't  
> change under osx. I had issues with y cz1000 until the data rate was  
> dropped.
>
> As for interfaces I use, two motu midi express 128s and an m audio  
> midisport 8x8s. Stable as hell.

I use 2 Midisports 4x4 (got a lot of hardware) and a Emagic AMT8 as a  
midi patchbay and the Atari runs the PC
>
> And an Atari st is great, but you shouldn't need one. It should be  
> more than possible to get things fully functional with your current  
> of setup. If anything I'd say save the Atari money for a high  
> quality midi interface.

But if you already have a high quality midi interface buy an  
Atari.... ;)

J

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> On 20 Aug 2013, at 17:38, "steve_the_composer" <smw- 
> mail@...> wrote:
>
>> Interesting. It might be that your solution works, but I am curious  
>> about your reasoning. I was under the impression that to  
>> communicate with 5-pin din midi gear, 31.25 kb/s had to be used-- 
>> whether its a Commodore 64 or a modern multi-core laptop with Win  
>> 8. (I could be wrong, though.)
>>
>> With an arduino and a usb-midi serial bridge, I have been able to  
>> communicate midi data to VSTs at much higher rates (up to 115200 b/ 
>> s, I believe). This was with an arduino connected via usb that  
>> appears in an 8 year old WinXP SP3 PC as a COM port. However, to  
>> transmit data to 5-pin din midi device, the rate has to be 31250 b/s.
>>
>> As for your 1x1 not working any more, I had something similar  
>> happen with my emagic mt4. I believe that WinXP SP2 or SP3 changed  
>> the way usb devices were enumerated and that cause the e-magic  
>> drivers to no longer function as they had.
>>
>> The E-Mu 2x2 interface however works. It might be because E-Mu  
>> updated the drivers. (Did you check to see if there are updated  
>> drivers for the 1x1?) I suspect that the reason why so many  
>> companies have to keep rewriting Windows drivers is because MS  
>> keeps changing things.
>>
>> Out of curiosity, what OS/SP did you use on your vintage PC and was  
>> it the same as on the modern laptop? Also, did you use the e-mu 1x1  
>> on the modern laptop with your slow-down script?
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "fulfil_objective" <robot@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi dedlander,
>>>
>>> I did some experimenting tonight and I have another thing for you  
>>> to try. What I think is happening is that your modern computer,  
>>> and your modern USB/MIDI cable, is sending the sysex messages TOO  
>>> FAST for your CZ to keep up. The CZ's are from the mid-1980s and  
>>> do not have fast processors.
>>>
>>> To answer your immediate question, I have an EMU XMIDI 1x1 cable.  
>>> This is the one that worked for me, and then stopped working for  
>>> me. What I realized today is that what changed for me between when  
>>> it worked and didn't work was the COMPUTER. Not the operating  
>>> system, not the software, the physical computer. I had been using  
>>> a vintage PC, and switched to using a modern laptop.
>>>
>>> So my theory is that modern computers, with modern USB/MIDI  
>>> cables, can spit out the sysex so fast that a CZ can't keep up.
>>>
>>> I tested this today. I used a fast laptop with a USB/MIDI cable  
>>> and sent a sysex dump to my CZ-1. Nothing happened. Next I routed  
>>> the sysex message through a small script that slowed the message  
>>> down byte by byte. Now it worked.
>>>
>>> I think you should try slowing down the sysex message, but do  
>>> everything else as normal.
>>>
>>> I believe that Bome's Send SX has a "Speed of sending MIDI"  
>>> option. Set that to low and try again.
>>>
>>> MIDI-OX also has the ability to slow down the output. You set a  
>>> certain size output buffer, and then add a delay after each  
>>> buffer. Read the built-in help file under System Exclusive >  
>>> Configuration Options.
>>>
>>> When I tried it, I put 1 millisecond between each byte, and 1  
>>> second between each message. The one second felt a little too  
>>> long, but it worked.
>>>
>>> To try one millisecond per byte in MIDI-OX, open up the Sysex  
>>> window. Go to Sysex > Configure. Set the output to use only one  
>>> buffer, and have the buffer be one byte in length. Then set the  
>>> delay between buffers to one millisecend.
>>>
>>> There might be other timings that are better and more appropriate  
>>> for the CZ hardware, I'm just mentioning the ones that I tried  
>>> that worked.
>>>
>>> This solution would match the symptoms of being able to receive  
>>> MIDI events from a CZ, but not being able to send them. You have a  
>>> computer which speaks and listens very quickly. You have a CZ  
>>> which speaks and listens slowly. When the CZ speaks, the computer  
>>> is able to understand it with no problem. But when the computer  
>>> speaks, the CZ is like, "What just happened?".
>>>
>>> This solution would also match the symptoms of people using  
>>> vintage equipment not having a problem, and people with modern  
>>> equipment having a problem. It seem that other people with other  
>>> vintage equipment have run into this same problem as well.
>>>
>>> I hope this helps!
>>>
>>>
>>> --- In CZsynth@yahoogroups.com, "dedlandar" <dedlandar@> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Nothing happens when I transmit the glide on command back to the  
>>>> CZ.
>>>>
>>>> What kind of MIDI>USB cable are you guys using?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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