Casio CZ/ VZ/ FZ - Pro Series

Hi Todd,

so you finaly found the list... ;)

>
>   I was invited to join this list- so I'm stopping by and introducing 
>myself.
>   I am a VZ8m owner (sold my CZ-1 this year)- and I used to 
>program the VZ10m manually in the early 90's.
>   I have listened to every ROM sound that Casio released for the 
>VZ's (Power, Tokyo, etc...) and produced a bank of my own that 
>was sold commercially for awhile. (I have a current - new bank 
>for the VZ8m that I need to post- and share as soon as I get off 
>my a*#).

That would be nice, you could upload it to the files section if you want!
I'm quite curious about your sounds....

>   For those of you who are new to the VZ I'd like to share a few 
>comments on my assesment of iPD based on my own 
>experience.
>
>   The VZ is not just different from FM- to my ears it is inferior.

I compared the output of the VZ-1 to the FS1R and with certain setting I got
the same results...
The frequency Ratio between two VZ oscillators set to phase is 1:2 (I first
thought it's 1:1 but that was a mistake)... If I use the same waveforms with
the FS1R I get (with slight differences) the same outputs...
If you use another "phased" pair of oscillators and connect those 2 pairs
with phase you can adjust the frequencies of the pairs (unfortunately not of
the single osc.) and then (when I'm not mistaken) you'll get the following
FM algorithm....  

1
|
2 3
 \| 
  4  

When you set the connection between 1 and 2 to mix you'd get (not 100% sure,
since I'm still have to try out certain settings to prove...)

1 2 3
\ | /
  4


>-you heard right- I said inferior (yes it's only my opinion).
>Why would I say such a thing about my beloved VZ ?
>- well- I tend to use my TX81z more than my VZ.
>But the TX is 12 bit and the VZ is 16 bit- should'nt the VZ be a 
>little better ?- yes it should- but it really lacks the BITE you get 
>from FM (that's the best word I can think of to describe it).

The TX81z has (as far as I know) 16 Bit converters too, at least according
to a german magazine... anyway the TX sounds colder and more metallic, more
crispy and quite agressive, that's true. But most synths have problems to
sounds that crispy and the VZ can be quite agressive too. 
Due to the saw waveforms and the VZ can create richer an warmer sounds then
the TX, I even created nice warm Pad and impressive voice/choir sounds ...
the TX waveforms are less rich on overtones ok, feeback can help a lot, but
it's limited to one operator...  
Also the ringmodulation of the VZ enables this thing to create sounds an FM
synth can't do...

> I would actually prefer to have a rackmount 16 bit CZ-1 with 16 
>voices over a VZ10m/8m (I sold my CZ-1 cause I needed the 
>space). The ring mod and pseudo PWM from a CZ is better (to 
>my ears) than the ring mod and PD on a VZ.

It's different since the ringmod (to be true it's Amplitudenmodulation) on
the CZ is -different to most other synths execpt the K5000- behind the
"Filters" (Pseudo filters - called DCW) that way it's far more flexible then
in most other synthesizers... 

> The VZ can still make some good sounds- and I have spent so 
> much time programming the VZ that I can't give the darn thing 
> up- but since I have so many other synths I find that the VZ 
> makes it into my compisitions less and less these days.

It's all a matter of taste...

>  So what good is it ?- the VZ is one of the best electronic 
> sounding Bargain synths you can find today- and it is a real 
> challange to program.
>
>sorry for the long post- i'll be posting a link to my sounds for the 
>VZ soon (at which time I'll expect scathing reviews from Summa)

Do I realy have that bad image out there? Ok, I like a good discussion, that
may could be missunderstanding... Maybe my english just isn't good enough so
I may sound rude?  

>I'm crossposting this VZ opinion on the EZVZ page.

Why? :) I have nothing to do with that page...

Regards!
      Summa

			     
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