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I see in the news that the German court did NOT substantially punish the
person who gleefully vandalized thousands of computers with a virus.

 

This is distressing. I'll bet the judge has rarely or never relied on a
computer and the Internet for his livelihood.

 

 

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From: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com [mailto:AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Roy E. Burrage
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 1:22 PM
To: AVR-Chat@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AVR-Chat] Re: Freaks Attacked

 

I suspect, Tom, that you would have a different perspective on this subject
if you were ever hit with a virus/worm/what-ever and put out of business for
a period of time as our company was last year...for a month all we could do
was manual record keeping, not to mention the data that were lost because it
even got into backups before we knew what was happening.  Both hardware and
software firewalls as well as virus scanners were in place.

But this too probably goes into the same category with those who feel it's
okay to steal hardware designs, software, movies, music, and other
intellectual property as is done daily just by downloading from other
thieves...


REB


Thomas Keller wrote:



On Tue, 2005-08-02 at 09:16 -0700, Dennis Clark wrote:
  

Hmph, I'm starting to see a reason for the invention of William
Gibson's 
"Black Ice", which is a killing attack on viral or hacking attempts.
I 
think a visit with baseball bats is indeed in order, but not to the 
dweebs, hit 'em where it hurts, to their computers!  After we
discover 
all their handles and aliases of course.
    

 
   I understand and share the frsutration, and let's be honest, anger
all of you feel regarding these attacks.  Let us keep our perspective,
however.
 
   If we resort to what amounts to viliglantism, we are no better than
those about whom we are complaining.  There are a variety of reasons
this is true, but a few of the most important are:
 
1) we have no reasonable means of ensuring that the parties we retaliate
against are truly the guilt parties (one of the greatest weaknesses of
vigillantism).
 
2) we have no ethical authority upon which to base such counter-attacks.
 
 
  No.  If we are indeed going to take any action at all, it should be
one  of intensive investigation, identification of the guilty parties
the the extent possible, and contact with the ISPs of the guilty
parties, and with the parents (if they are minors), threatening them
with civil consequences if they fail to reign in their children's
behaviour.
 
   Most ISPs, when provided with substantial evidence of such abuses,
will not hesitate to rescind access to abusive users.
 
  While it may feel good emotionally to shout and make threats of
physical violence, it is uncivilized and counter-productive to do so in
public.,  It merely perpetuates the culture oif casual violence which
led to the attacks in the first place.
 
 
Tom Keller
aka avrFreak
aka CurlyEars
 
 
 
 
 
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