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prilong3 , synth editors, stuff is still needed

2009-01-02 by charles midi gfa pascal asm

awesome thanks pewe , i got a good many of these my self ,
and if i wasn't learning how to program the darn atari i would
probally own a few more these..
i am in admists of writing a few of my own programs ; but alot of the handshaking and some language barriers are preventing my full scope of interfacing with the midi protocol.....loads of time invested.
so if any body have cd with kinda same stuff i will mention .
i do not have the following titles :
sound surfer
sound diver
polyframe
icconix
gramd slam
logic
more........but i cannot think of them at the moment.
charles
thanks pewe you always a good sport at helping me with first hand experience!
basically anything else i have ....these are all atari programs or atari relatedi must add .
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From: PeWe
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 6:33 AM
Subject: Re: [atari-midi-archives] prilong3 and synth editors

Hi Charles !

Some details:

Soundsurfer is a preset-, bankmanger only,- a librarian.
Sounddiver includes Soundsurfer and is a preset-, bankmanger, librarian as also a preset-, patch-editor

Polyframe 1.0 / 1.2 for the Atari is the ancestor of Sounddiver ( not Soundsurfer) and is a modular librarian and editor too.
Polyframe comes w/ less modules/adaptions but includes a generic adaption offering the possibility to create your own modules/adaptions for your outboard midi devices which aren´t included as adaptions in Polyframe.

IMO it´s not worth to do a search for Soundsurfer.

What you need, Polyframe and/or Sounddiver, depends on which outboard midi devices you own.

I own both the programs and Sounddiver runs best w/ Mac OS9.x on a Mac PPC or maybe a G3.
Polyframe for Atari needs a Atari ST or STe w/ 4meg of RAM and a harddrive.

Polyframe covers my:

Roland D550
Korg M1r /M1r ex
Korg Wavestation
Oberheim Matrix 1000
Yamaha DX7 / DX7mkII FD / TX modules
Yamaha SY/TG 77
Yamaha TG 500

... and a bunch of other devices like some AKAI MB modules, Lexicon LXPs and such ...
The adaptions for the modules mentioned above were included in version 1.2 of Polyframe, I never did my own adaptions.
You can create a large library for all the different modules presets/patches included in this ONE library or you can create separate libraries for the dedicated modules. Some adaptions are very good, some less ...,- there are some w/ "quick edit" and/or "in depth edit" functionality.

It´s worth to have Polyframe for the Atari IMO.

You´ll run into incompatibilities of programs and hardware modules w/ both the programs, Polyframe and Sounddiver.
Sounddiver w/ Mac OSX is a halfass solution because some functionality is lost w/ OSX.

Some of the Steinberg Synthworks programs do a much better job than Polyframe and Sounddiver ever did, but you need a separate Sythworks program for each synth/tonegenerator then and as far as these were available ever.

Best is to have a mix of all these programs or decide to move to todays solutions for PC/Mac ...
http://www.squest.com/

But also this can be a nitemare,- like all the software thingys... :-)
And it´s not cheap anyway.

PeWe




charles midi gfa pascal asm schrieb:

hello ? peilong3 you should also have tryed to find "SOUND SURFER"
it belongs alongside sound diver, no joke , its another emagic program ,,for
the atari too!

charles

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Re: [atari-midi-archives] prilong3 , synth editors, stuff is still needed

2009-01-02 by PeWe

Charles,- I have some of ´em but these are dongelized.

It is:
Polyframe 1.2 incl. all the modules
Sounddiver MAC (I think it´s 3.0 but I´m not sure at the moment and it´s just only installed on a computer I got some time ago)
Notator Logic Atari 2.x ( I think it´s v2.5,- the only version which is worth to have because it includes the environment features as in the Mac Logic versions midi part already).

Definitely I need a manual for Notator Logic Atari version 2.0 or higher, so if anyone could upload these files would be great.
v.1.5 / 1.6 / 1.7 may be exist as the basic manual and addendums but don´t cover all the changes made w/ v. 2.0 and higher.
From version 2 up, Notator Logic is a different beast.

For Polyframe 1.2 a dongle is needed ( I own one), and this dongle has a "thru" port to add another dongle,- p.ex for X-alyzer.
For Notator Logic, the Emagic LOG3 is needed and possibly a Unitor 2 to have enough midi-outs available as also to run Polyframe and Notator 3.x plus Notator Logic on the same machine, which is a great midi-composing/arranging solution.
Unitor 2 has a 2nd dongle port and Polyframe looks for it´s dongle at slot #2,- so that´s the hardware combo needed in addition w/ Log3 which is the dedicated dongle for Notator Logic.



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awesome thanks pewe , i got a good many of these my self ,
and if i wasn't learning how to program the darn atari i would
probally own a few more these..
i am in admists of writing a few of my own programs but alot of the handshaking and some language barriers are preventing my full scope of interfacing with the midi protocol.....loads of time invested.
so if any body have cd with kinda same stuff i will mention .
i do not have the following titles :
sound surfer
sound diver
polyframe
icconix
gramd slam
logic
more........but i cannot think of them at the moment.
charles
thanks pewe you always a good sport at helping me with first hand experience!
basically anything else i have ....these are all atari programs or atari relatedi must add .

Re: [atari-midi-archives] prilong3 , synth editors, stuff is still needed

2009-01-02 by charles midi gfa pascal asm

pewe i think the logic is notator after they were c-lab.
here is a manual i find for you.
sorry i do not have pdf , but it looks like atari logic manual
charles
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From: PeWe
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 7:35 AM
Subject: Re: [atari-midi-archives] prilong3 , synth editors, stuff is still needed

Charles,- I have some of ´em but these are dongelized.

It is:
Polyframe 1.2 incl. all the modules
Sounddiver MAC (I think it´s 3.0 but I´m not sure at the moment and it´s just only installed on a computer I got some time ago)
Notator Logic Atari 2.x ( I think it´s v2.5,- the only version which is worth to have because it includes the environment features as in the Mac Logic versions midi part already).

Definitely I need a manual for Notator Logic Atari version 2.0 or higher, so if anyone could upload these files would be great.
v.1.5 / 1.6 / 1.7 may be exist as the basic manual and addendums but don´t cover all the changes made w/ v. 2.0 and higher.
From version 2 up, Notator Logic is a different beast.

For Polyframe 1.2 a dongle is needed ( I own one), and this dongle has a "thru" port to add another dongle,- p.ex for X-alyzer.
For Notator Logic, the Emagic LOG3 is needed and possibly a Unitor 2 to have enough midi-outs available as also to run Polyframe and Notator 3.x plus Notator Logic on the same machine, which is a great midi-composing/arranging solution.
Unitor 2 has a 2nd dongle port and Polyframe looks for it´s dongle at slot #2,- so that´s the hardware combo needed in addition w/ Log3 which is the dedicated dongle for Notator Logic.



charles midi gfa pascal asm schrieb:

awesome thanks pewe , i got a good many of these my self ,
and if i wasn't learning how to program the darn atari i would
probally own a few more these..
i am in admists of writing a few of my own programs but alot of the handshaking and some language barriers are preventing my full scope of interfacing with the midi protocol.....loads of time invested.
so if any body have cd with kinda same stuff i will mention .
i do not have the following titles :
sound surfer
sound diver
polyframe
icconix
gramd slam
logic
more........but i cannot think of them at the moment.
charles
thanks pewe you always a good sport at helping me with first hand experience!
basically anything else i have ....these are all atari programs or atari relatedi must add .

Re: [atari-midi-archives] prilong3 , synth editors, stuff is still needed

2009-01-02 by PeWe

Charles,- unfortunally this link doesn´t work for me here.

No, Notator Logic Atari isn´t Notator.

C-Lab /Emagic Notator up to SL 3.x is a pattern oriented midi sequencer and Emagic Notator Logic is a linear based one.
The Midi part in Notator Logic Atari 2.5 is the same you find in the later versions of Logic for the Mac and PC.
The Atari version just only lacks the audio engine.

Because Emagic Notator SL 3.x and Notator Logic 2.5 share the same dongle, it´s possible to run both programs on the same machine, having the different song formats on the same harddrive.
Therefore, it´s possible to import complete Notator SL songs, created in a pattern orientated way, directly into a linear based midi sequencer,- Notator Logic 2.5,- without transfering midi files, which doesn´t represent a complete Notator song at all, between 2 machines by using floppies.

Import a Notator SL song into Notator Logic and you have it in tape machine style in Notator Logic including all the midi-ports routing for Export/Log3, Unitor 2 and Atari itself as well as all the dedicated midichannels neccessary for the tracks playback correctly.
I fact, once Notator SL songs are imported into Notator Logic Atari, you´re able to import THIS song into Logic Mac/PC, or you have the choice to export Notator Logic Atari midi tracks and import ´em into any other linear based DAW in full length, not pattern based parts of tracks.
Result:
You don´t have to re-organize the tracks or parts ( pattern positions) according to the DAW sequencers timeline.
This is a big time-saver if you have a lot of old midi songs, patterns and sequences done w/ Notator SL in stock and want to remix or redo something.

With Notator Logic 2.0, the "midi-environment" feature was introduced, so the midi handling is different compared to the previous versions, but this "midi-environment" is/was used until Apple Logic 7.x in general and disappeared w/ Logic Studio 8 AFAIK.
So, Notator Logic 2.0-2.5 seems to be a pretty good midi engine, the most advanced one for Atari ST/STe/Falcon except Steinberg Cubase 3.1 Atari special edition which is a similar one.

Means,- a manual version 2.0 is needed,- maybe it was the last one and all the further improvements /add-ons are documented in the updates text "read me" files up to version 2.5 only.


charles midi gfa pascal asm schrieb:
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pewe i think the logic is notator after they were c-lab.
here is a manual i find for you.
sorry i do not have pdf , but it looks like atari logic manual
charles

Re: [atari-midi-archives] prilong3 , synth editors, stuff is still needed

2009-01-02 by charles midi gfa pascal asm

ok ok ok ok ! , enough about notator , i really own alpha and that as far as i go , i use cubase and perferr edit tracks much more than cubase (its a stronger recorder ) but cubase allows effects to be applied in midi real time so two differents agains...
thanks for info pewe but too much for my tiny round head , sorry
i will leave off here because like i said , i know of and only ever use cubase or edit tracks
charles unless there is a reason i should use notator or creator,,but i've tryed an much inclinded to cubase or edit track
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----- Original Message -----
From: PeWe
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: [atari-midi-archives] prilong3 , synth editors, stuff is still needed

Charles,- unfortunally this link doesn´t work for me here.

No, Notator Logic Atari isn´t Notator.

C-Lab /Emagic Notator up to SL 3.x is a pattern oriented midi sequencer and Emagic Notator Logic is a linear based one.
The Midi part in Notator Logic Atari 2.5 is the same you find in the later versions of Logic for the Mac and PC.
The Atari version just only lacks the audio engine.

Because Emagic Notator SL 3.x and Notator Logic 2.5 share the same dongle, it´s possible to run both programs on the same machine, having the different song formats on the same harddrive.
Therefore, it´s possible to import complete Notator SL songs, created in a pattern orientated way, directly into a linear based midi sequencer,- Notator Logic 2.5,- without transfering midi files, which doesn´t represent a complete Notator song at all, between 2 machines by using floppies.

Import a Notator SL song into Notator Logic and you have it in tape machine style in Notator Logic including all the midi-ports routing for Export/Log3, Unitor 2 and Atari itself as well as all the dedicated midichannels neccessary for the tracks playback correctly.
I fact, once Notator SL songs are imported into Notator Logic Atari, you´re able to import THIS song into Logic Mac/PC, or you have the choice to export Notator Logic Atari midi tracks and import ´em into any other linear based DAW in full length, not pattern based parts of tracks.
Result:
You don´t have to re-organize the tracks or parts ( pattern positions) according to the DAW sequencers timeline.
This is a big time-saver if you have a lot of old midi songs, patterns and sequences done w/ Notator SL in stock and want to remix or redo something.

With Notator Logic 2.0, the "midi-environment" feature was introduced, so the midi handling is different compared to the previous versions, but this "midi-environment" is/was used until Apple Logic 7.x in general and disappeared w/ Logic Studio 8 AFAIK.
So, Notator Logic 2.0-2.5 seems to be a pretty good midi engine, the most advanced one for Atari ST/STe/Falcon except Steinberg Cubase 3.1 Atari special edition which is a similar one.

Means,- a manual version 2.0 is needed,- maybe it was the last one and all the further improvements /add-ons are documented in the updates text "read me" files up to version 2.5 only.


charles midi gfa pascal asm schrieb:

pewe i think the logic is notator after they were c-lab.
here is a manual i find for you.
sorry i do not have pdf , but it looks like atari logic manual
charles

Re: [atari-midi-archives] prilong3 , synth editors, stuff is still needed

2009-01-03 by charles midi gfa pascal asm

in that same directory is turbo synth too! thats a deal
all for free ,,
if i knew that before i bought this stuff 7 years years ago !!!!
but it does not loose its appeal.
charles
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Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 4:32 AM
Subject: Re: [atari-midi-archives] prilong3 , synth editors, stuff is still needed

Hi!

Maybe also MIDIQUEST can help you here.

I found V1.06 here: http://cd.textfiles.com/806atari/601-700/664/

Ciao
Peter

Re: [atari-midi-archives] prilong3 , synth editors, stuff is still needed

2009-01-03 by charles midi gfa pascal asm

IN YOUR BEST DESCRIPTION , WHAT IS AURA?
CHARLES
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From: PeWe
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: [atari-midi-archives] prilong3 , synth editors, stuff is still needed

and C-Lab Aura
http://cd.textfiles.com/806atari/601-700/645/




charles midi gfa pascal asm schrieb:
in that same directory is turbo synth too! thats a deal
all for free ,,
if i knew that before i bought this stuff 7 years years ago !!!!
but it does not loose its appeal.
charles

Re: [atari-midi-archives] prilong3 , synth editors, stuff is still needed

2009-01-03 by PeWe

AURA is C-Lab´s midi eartraining and education program.

Also great is MIDIA

AURA and MIDIA were created as learning programs in 1st order but can be "missused" in different ways if you have the idea.



charles midi gfa pascal asm schrieb:
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IN YOUR BEST DESCRIPTION , WHAT IS AURA?
CHARLES

Re: [atari-midi-archives] prilong3 , synth editors, stuff is still needed

2009-01-03 by charles midi gfa pascal asm

steinberg had one too!!!
it was called ...??????..i can't think of the name,
but it had a tree on the top for a logo. i'm sure of it ..released around the same time masterpeice was by the steinberg team.
i think ,
i wasn't around to get the stuff at the time ,
its mainily second generation to me , but
as far as i know . this is all true..
charles
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From: PeWe
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 11:40 AM
Subject: Re: [atari-midi-archives] prilong3 , synth editors, stuff is still needed

AURA is C-Lab´s midi eartraining and education program.

Also great is MIDIA

AURA and MIDIA were created as learning programs in 1st order but can be "missused" in different ways if you have the idea.



charles midi gfa pascal asm schrieb:

IN YOUR BEST DESCRIPTION , WHAT IS AURA?
CHARLES

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