Editing the AN200 without using the software editor
2005-11-02 by soundcrafter

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2005-11-02 by soundcrafter
2005-11-02 by Summa
On 2 Nov 2005 at 0:16, soundcrafter wrote:
> Has anyone here tried doing deep editing on the AN200 without using
> the software editor? I have the editor, but I really don't like using
> it. I think its utter crap that you can only access 15% of the
> functions from the front panel...
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> Anyway, I guess what I am asking is this: does the editor use normal
> CCs to control the AN200, or is there some other protocol being used?
> If it's just CCs, I should be able to program the knobs on my XL7 to
> get similar results.
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> Anybody doing this with any sort of success?
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2005-11-02 by Dale Kay
> > string*************end****************
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> Hi,
> That's planned for SE V1.1, automation of any control via (almost) any
> MIDI message, including sysex.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Summa
To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: [AN1x] Editing the AN200 without using the software editor
My guess is that CCs won't be sufficient for the amount of parameters the AN200
use, you probably need sysex commands to access all the functions...
...Summa
On 2 Nov 2005 at 0:16, soundcrafter wrote:
> Has anyone here tried doing deep editing on the AN200 without using
> the software editor? I have the editor, but I really don't like using
> it. I think its utter crap that you can only access 15% of the
> functions from the front panel...
>
> Anyway, I guess what I am asking is this: does the editor use normal
> CCs to control the AN200, or is there some other protocol being used?
> If it's just CCs, I should be able to program the knobs on my XL7 to
> get similar results.
>
> Anybody doing this with any sort of success?
>
> Thanks
>
> D
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2005-11-02 by soundcrafter
>parameters the AN200
> My guess is that CCs won't be sufficient for the amount of
> use, you probably need sysex commands to access all the functions...using
>
> ...Summa
>
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> On 2 Nov 2005 at 0:16, soundcrafter wrote:
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> > Has anyone here tried doing deep editing on the AN200 without
> > the software editor? I have the editor, but I really don't likeusing
> > it. I think its utter crap that you can only access 15% of thenormal
> > functions from the front panel...
> >
> > Anyway, I guess what I am asking is this: does the editor use
> > CCs to control the AN200, or is there some other protocol beingused?
> > If it's just CCs, I should be able to program the knobs on my XL7to
> > get similar results.http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CZsynth
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> > Anybody doing this with any sort of success?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > D
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2005-11-02 by cavey@raketnet.nl
> --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Summa" <flotorian@f...> wrote:very offtopic mail, but...
> >
> > My guess is that CCs won't be sufficient for the amount of
> parameters the AN200
> > use, you probably need sysex commands to access all the functions...
> >
> > ...Summa
> >
> >
> > On 2 Nov 2005 at 0:16, soundcrafter wrote:
> >
> > > Has anyone here tried doing deep editing on the AN200 without
> using
> > > the software editor? I have the editor, but I really don't like
> using
> > > it. I think its utter crap that you can only access 15% of the
> > > functions from the front panel...
> > >
> > > Anyway, I guess what I am asking is this: does the editor use
> normal
> > > CCs to control the AN200, or is there some other protocol being
> used?
> > > If it's just CCs, I should be able to program the knobs on my XL7
> to
> > > get similar results.
> > >
> > > Anybody doing this with any sort of success?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > D
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
2005-11-03 by Jon
>Please keep in mind that Yamaha is not the first manufacturer to employ the design
> Has anyone here tried doing deep editing on the AN200 without using
> the software editor? I have the editor, but I really don't like using
> it. I think its utter crap that you can only access 15% of the
> functions from the front panel...
> Anyway, I guess what I am asking is this: does the editor use normalThe editor is undoubtedly using SysEx.
> CCs to control the AN200, or is there some other protocol being used?
> If it's just CCs, I should be able to program the knobs on my XL7 to
> get similar results.
2005-11-03 by cavey@raketnet.nl
> My guess is that CCs won't be sufficient for the amount of parameters the AN200Now I'm kind of wondering about this. Since most people have the problem
> use, you probably need sysex commands to access all the functions...
>
> ...Summa
>
>
2005-11-04 by Jon
>I have to dispute your claim 'most people have the problem of getting the AN1x editor to
> On Wed Nov 02 2005, Summa <flotorian@f...> wrote:
> > My guess is that CCs won't be sufficient for the amount of parameters the AN200
> > use, you probably need sysex commands to access all the functions...
> >
> > ...Summa
> >
> >
> Now I'm kind of wondering about this. Since most people have the problem
> of getting the AN1x editor to work in windows or mac osx (I won't even
> go into my problem yet... Linux ;) )...
> I have been running around withAnd are you prepared to offer troubleshooting and assitance to your user base when
> programming an editor myself. There are just a couple of problems.
>There is extensive SysEx documentation in the AN1x Data List and the AN200 Owner's
> a) What messages (either midi or sysex) does the AN1x (or AN200 for that
> matter) take? I know there are some of them explained in the manual at
> the end... and there should be some datalist book somewhere? Does that
> one explain a bit more about all the commands?
> b) I have never programmed midi calls beforeYou'll need to take these questions to a developer specific list.
>
> c) I wouldn't really know which environment to use. Main idea would be
> to go with GTK, since that is rather platform independant
>
> d) It is just an idea I'm running around with, no idea whether I'll ever
> go through with it, since it is a daunting task, but not impossible.
> Nice little project, but needs some research in advance
>
> So, anyone familiar with the inner workings of the AN1x? ^_^ Or gui
> building etc? ^_^
>
> Pointers would be great as well.
2005-11-04 by cavey@raketnet.nl
> --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, cavey@r... wrote:Ah, well, yes, I have been over generalising a bit here. With 'most
> >
> > Now I'm kind of wondering about this. Since most people have the problem
> > of getting the AN1x editor to work in windows or mac osx (I won't even
> > go into my problem yet... Linux ;) )...
>
> I have to dispute your claim 'most people have the problem of getting the AN1x editor to
> work in windows or mac osx'. What _exactly_ are you basing this assumption on?
>
> > I have been running around withYes and no, my main development environment would be Linux, thus already
> > programming an editor myself. There are just a couple of problems.
>
> And are you prepared to offer troubleshooting and assitance to your user base when
> somebody asserts they can't get it to work under Windows or OS X?
>
> >Ah! The AN1x Data list, ok. Because the AN1x manual doesn't really hold
> > a) What messages (either midi or sysex) does the AN1x (or AN200 for that
> > matter) take? I know there are some of them explained in the manual at
> > the end... and there should be some datalist book somewhere? Does that
> > one explain a bit more about all the commands?
>
> There is extensive SysEx documentation in the AN1x Data List and the AN200 Owner's
> Manual. You might also take the time to review the Help file which is provided with
> AN1xEdit as it contains a great deal of useful information regarding the differences
> between AN1x & PLG150-AN parameters and Sys ID headers.
>
> You'll need to take these questions to a developer specific list.Most likely yes :) But was just thinking I could make some inquiries
>
> Jon--
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2005-11-04 by Jon
> >I see where you're coming from and perhaps I was too abrupt in my response. Apologies.
> Ah, well, yes, I have been over generalising a bit here. With 'most
> people' I meant the people that seemed to have trouble getting AN1xedit
> to work and have mailed this list. But it was just meant as a figure of
> speech, as introduction to the questions I posted below.
>
> > > I have been running around withYou might want to seek out the fellow who ported ZynAddSubFX from Win to OS X. I know
> > > programming an editor myself. There are just a couple of problems.
> >
> > And are you prepared to offer troubleshooting and assitance to your user base when
> > somebody asserts they can't get it to work under Windows or OS X?
> >
> Yes and no, my main development environment would be Linux, thus already
> tailoring towards the more tech-savvy people. Furthermore the idea is to
> open-source the project, building a community (perhaps) around it. No
> commercial idea behind it. Just like with the AN1xedit. And the support?
> Hmm, it "should work straight out of the box after compiling hell" ;)
>
> Of course, the more user friendly it would turn out to be, the better,
> but currently there is no way that I have found, of editing the AN1x
> from a Linux based environment. An itch I might be able to scratch, if I
> can get my head to it.
> > There is extensive SysEx documentation in the AN1x Data List and the AN200 Owner'sThe Data List is VERY thorough as is the SysEx implementation in the AN200 Owner's
> > Manual. You might also take the time to review the Help file which is provided with
> > AN1xEdit as it contains a great deal of useful information regarding the differences
> > between AN1x & PLG150-AN parameters and Sys ID headers.
> >
> Ah! The AN1x Data list, ok. Because the AN1x manual doesn't really hold
> that much info. I'll check up on the Data list in the files section.
> [snip the other 3 questions]I don't know of any specific resources, but I'm certain there must be something here at
> > You'll need to take these questions to a developer specific list.
> >
> Most likely yes :) But was just thinking I could make some inquiries
> here first. Who knows whether there are more programmers on the list.
2005-11-05 by Kevin Conder
> I won't even go into my problem yet... LinuxHave you tried Wine? Anyway, an Open Source replacement would be cool
> I know there are some of them explained in the manualHere you go:
> at the end... and there should be some datalist book
> somewhere?
> c) I wouldn't really know which environment to use. Main idea wouldActually, QT is more mature as a cross-platform toolkit. GTK+ on
> be to go with GTK, since that is rather platform independant
> So, anyone familiar with the inner workings of the AN1x? ^_^ Or guiPerhaps you could reverse-engineer AN1xEdit. Of course, I don't know
> building etc? ^_^
2005-11-05 by Peter Korsten
> cavey wrote:Or you could use Java. It runs on anything that has a Java Virtual
>
>>c) I wouldn't really know which environment to use. Main idea would
>>be to go with GTK, since that is rather platform independant
>
> Actually, QT is more mature as a cross-platform toolkit. GTK+ on
> Windows is coming along nicely but I don't know how good GTK+ is for OS
> X. Have you considered starting with a simpler cross-platform toolkit
> like WxWidgets (http://www.wxwindows.org/) instead?