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Re: [AN1x] disco strings

Re: [AN1x] disco strings

2005-02-09 by Ed Edwards

> > Yeah. One way would be to record multiple tracks, using a different 
> string patch for each track. When someone mentioned that real 
> orchestras were used for disco strings, it got me wondering if 
> anybody ever actually put together a "synth orchestra"; a large 
> number of people playing synths at same time. Not very practical, but 
> sure would be cool...

Now you're on to something.
Instead of actual people on multiple synths, you could try programming a
patch sounding like a solo violin, but giving the VCO a slight randomness
in pitch variance.  Then the patch could have a random delay in the start
of the VCO and the end of the envelope.  This would give a "human" feel. 
Now you'd just sequence this, sending identical MIDI data each time you
recorded.  I suppose maybe 6 tracks or so would be enough to start to
sound like an actual ensemble.  Be careful to have any reverb or delay
shut off in the initial recording and only add it later in the sequencer
as a global effect for the entire group.

Messy, difficult, but cool.
Have any of you ever read about how Wendy Carlos programmed each sound for
the Synergy synth?  Here is a person who is a perfectionist maniac.  It
used additive synthesis, which, if you've ever used it or read about it,
is insanely difficult to get good sounds from.  Simplified, it uses
multiple sine waves with varying parameters mixed together to form a
complex sound.  Decisions, decisions: should I program a patch for 4 hours
or practice?  (I'll take the latter.)

Re: [AN1x] disco strings

2005-02-09 by Kaltar

Do You Know If Carlos Made the presets of any synth? That Person Has 
The Enough Background In Math And Physics To Program Any Synth. (Taking 
In Consideration That Was the Very First Person To Play A Moog and Help 
Designed It). Talking About Spending 4 Hours Making A Patch: Think 
Making A Cord With A Monophonic Synth. It Was Done In A Tape Recorder, 
Note By Note... That's How Switched On Bach Was Done! That's Was A Long 
Work. And The Result Is Just Amazing! Even for Today!

>
>  Have any of you ever read about how Wendy Carlos programmed each 
> sound for
>  the Synergy synth?  Here is a person who is a perfectionist maniac.  
> It
>  used additive synthesis, which, if you've ever used it or read about 
> it,
>  is insanely difficult to get good sounds from.  Simplified, it uses
>  multiple sine waves with varying parameters mixed together to form a
>  complex sound.  Decisions, decisions: should I program a patch for 4 
> hours
>  or practice?  (I'll take the latter.)
>
>


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Re: [AN1x] disco strings

2005-02-09 by uralmoto2001

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Edwards" <edward.edwards@v...> 
wrote:
 
 ...I suppose maybe 6 tracks or so would be enough to start to
> sound like an actual ensemble...                                   
>                                                                     
>Good trick on the Ion is to layer a patch with itself. I replicated 
an An1x cello patch, and with a little "analog drift" and panning, a 
layer of 4 identical patches actually sound like 4 seperate 
instruments. Shift one patch up an octave for more of an ensemble 
effect. More subtle than unison mode. I replicated a few more An1x 
patches on Ion but gave up; too many differences between the synths.

Re: [AN1x] disco strings

2005-02-09 by Dale Kay

I feel it more along the lines of FM with the ION.
Did you note the poly lost when you layered up to 4 deep? I been sticking to 2 deep (at once)as that seemed to work best with my ears. ;-) More than that, I just layer in Sonar. Offset or shift key there.

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  Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 7:37 PM
  Subject: Re: [AN1x] disco strings



  --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Edwards" <edward.edwards@v...> 
  wrote:

  ...I suppose maybe 6 tracks or so would be enough to start to
  > sound like an actual ensemble...                                   
  >                                                                     
  >Good trick on the Ion is to layer a patch with itself. I replicated 
  an An1x cello patch, and with a little "analog drift" and panning, a 
  layer of 4 identical patches actually sound like 4 seperate 
  instruments. Shift one patch up an octave for more of an ensemble 
  effect. More subtle than unison mode. I replicated a few more An1x 
  patches on Ion but gave up; too many differences between the synths.

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Re: [AN1x] disco strings

2005-02-09 by uralmoto2001

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Dale Kay" <admin@k...> wrote:
>... Did you note the poly lost when you layered up to 4 deep? I been 
sticking to 2 deep (at once)as that seemed to work best with my 
ears. ;-) More than that, I just layer in Sonar. Offset or shift key 
there. 
> dale
> 
>Yep. You're right that even a 2 deep layer improves the sound. Pads 
I don't layer because I need 8note poly. Bass patches fat enough 
already. Lead sounds seem to benefit most, and quite often those are 
mono anyway...

Re: [AN1x] disco strings

2005-02-09 by Dale Kay

Leads I been using the unison on it... various levels
then process via sonar for effects.. auto pans etc...
ION is a creature of habit type synth (once you know what works well, you stick to it)

dale
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Lancaster CA

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  From: uralmoto2001 
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  Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 9:48 PM
  Subject: Re: [AN1x] disco strings



  --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Dale Kay" <admin@k...> wrote:
  >... Did you note the poly lost when you layered up to 4 deep? I been 
  sticking to 2 deep (at once)as that seemed to work best with my 
  ears. ;-) More than that, I just layer in Sonar. Offset or shift key 
  there. 
  > dale
  > 
  >Yep. You're right that even a 2 deep layer improves the sound. Pads 
  I don't layer because I need 8note poly. Bass patches fat enough 
  already. Lead sounds seem to benefit most, and quite often those are 
  mono anyway...

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Re: [AN1x] disco strings

2005-02-10 by John Williams

At 11:40 AM 9/2/05, you wrote:
> > > Yeah. One way would be to record multiple tracks, using a different
> > string patch for each track. When someone mentioned that real
> > orchestras were used for disco strings, it got me wondering if
> > anybody ever actually put together a "synth orchestra"; a large
> > number of people playing synths at same time. Not very practical, but
> > sure would be cool...

Dunno about synth orchestras, but I've been having a lot of fun today 
recording a simple string line but using (almost) all the synth engines I 
have lying around. In the end I used my AN1X, Roland VK-7 (organ kbd with 
strings and other sounds), Roland D110 and Yamaha DTX (drum module with GM 
sounds), all playing the same part (one up an octave). Next time I'm going 
to try adding my AN200, Kurzweil MicroPiano, a second D110, Ensoniq KS32, 
Yamaha P120, Yamaha P50 and Nord Micro-Modular. All these synths have some 
sort of string patch.

I've been trying to talk myself in to getting rid of some of the modules 
that I hardly ever use, but this gives me an excuse to keep them all! And 
I'm going to need a bigger mixer too ...

Enjoy,
John Williams




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