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Morphing from "Pretending" to "Performing"

Morphing from "Pretending" to "Performing"

2004-07-30 by Magnus Persson

Hi!

First some background to the question I will ask later.

I've grown tired of being the chameleon of the band, playing brass, 
strings, rythm instruments and harmonica on the keyboard.
So I sold my Ensoniq TS-10 digital workstation and bought an Nord 
electro to just play genuine keyboard parts, Hammond, Rhodes,Clavinet, 
CP-70 etc.
It felt really great to be focusing on the music performance instead of 
occupying my small brain with thinking about what the patch number of 
the next sound used for the next bar.
At first the band members was disturbed by the new sound the rig 
delivered but now they've stopped complaining. :-)
But still some of the songs needed some additional synth brass, bell 
sounds, strings etc. so I bought a JV-1010 for "bread&butter" sounds.
And now it's sort of back to square one, with me pretending to be 
something else than a keyboardist.

So now I've started to think about replacing the JV1010 with an AN1x 
instead to fill the parts that the Electro cannot handle.
The AN1x IS a genuine keyboard instrument, not pretending to be 
something else than a Synthesizer.

The question is, will a AN1x, coupled with an Electro be enough to play 
pop/rock/soul music from the 70's until today?

I understand that the songs must be rearranged and that they will not be 
"truthfully reproduced" but I want to prioritize the joy of playing 
instead of being a slave of the sounds...

Does anyone understand my situation and the desired path I want to go?

 From being a "Pretending" artist I want to become a "Performing" artist 
and thus bringing out the true joy of music.


Thanks for listening!
Regards, Magnus

Re: [AN1x] Morphing from "Pretending" to "Performing"

2004-07-30 by Elson Trinidad

At 06:30 PM 7/29/2004, you wrote:
>Hi!
>
>First some background to the question I will ask later.
>
>I've grown tired of being the chameleon of the band, playing brass,
>strings, rythm instruments and harmonica on the keyboard.
>So I sold my Ensoniq TS-10 digital workstation and bought an Nord
>electro to just play genuine keyboard parts, Hammond, Rhodes,Clavinet,
>CP-70 etc.

NORD ELECTRO! I just ordered one!!!!


>The question is, will a AN1x, coupled with an Electro be enough to play
>pop/rock/soul music from the 70's until today?

The Nord Electr/AN1x is an AWESOME combination! YES it will be enough to 
play music until today...though I would keep the JV1010 (and I have one of 
those too!)
to play digital synth sounds. But come next week, that's what my setup will 
be...BLUE AND RED!!!!

Are you on the nordelectro Yahoo group too?

Elson

Elson Trinidad
Los Angeles, California, USA
e l s o n @ e l s o n g s . c o m
www.elsongs.com

Re: Morphing from "Pretending" to "Performing"

2004-07-30 by supermaxillo

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, Magnus Persson <yatzy@h...> wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> First some background to the question I will ask later.
> 
> I've grown tired of being the chameleon of the band, playing brass, 
> strings, rythm instruments and harmonica on the keyboard.
> So I sold my Ensoniq TS-10 digital workstation and bought an Nord 
> electro to just play genuine keyboard parts, Hammond, Rhodes,Clavinet, 
> CP-70 etc.
> It felt really great to be focusing on the music performance instead of 
> occupying my small brain with thinking about what the patch number of 
> the next sound used for the next bar.
> At first the band members was disturbed by the new sound the rig 
> delivered but now they've stopped complaining. :-)
> But still some of the songs needed some additional synth brass, bell 
> sounds, strings etc. so I bought a JV-1010 for "bread&butter" sounds.
> And now it's sort of back to square one, with me pretending to be 
> something else than a keyboardist.
> 
> So now I've started to think about replacing the JV1010 with an AN1x 
> instead to fill the parts that the Electro cannot handle.
> The AN1x IS a genuine keyboard instrument, not pretending to be 
> something else than a Synthesizer.
> 
> The question is, will a AN1x, coupled with an Electro be enough to play 
> pop/rock/soul music from the 70's until today?
> 
Hi! I'm italian and my english is very poor, but...
I use the An1X with the Nord Electro 2 Rack with a Yamaha P80 and a Roland XP80! I use 
also a EMU Vintage Pro (and a Roland VM3100PRO as submixer!). I made by myself special 
wooden shelfs to adjust a two tier quiklok keyboards stand to have 3 keyboards very near 
each other (P80-XP80-AN1X). Well. I play (with my band!) funky, soul, rock and acid jazz 
too, and for me this is my definitive rig! Note that I use 90% Electro (both for EP and 
Organ) and An1x (lead sounds for solo), the XP80 almost only as master keyboard (except 
for some brass... that I hate!), the P80 for the acoustic piano and as Master for the 
Electro's pianos, the EMU for Dyno and some synth.

I totally agree with you, I am a keyboardist and I want to use genuine keyboard 
instruments (we are looking for a very good mini brass section, but it's not easy...!) also if I 
need almost one hour to prepare my setup in the stage! I like it! I think we are very lucky 
not to carry by ourself real hammond or rhodes or clavinet or piano...

However, about the Nord, the only limit is that it's monotimbrical, so you can only play 
organs OR pianos, and it's very hard to play other creepy rolands EPs or organs when you 
have tested the Nord (or a VK series, I have to be honest!). This is why I use also the EMU 
Vintage Pro, that have very beautiful Dyno Rhodes (the Nord really miss it!), very powerfull 
synth patches and tollerable organs for substitutions... but with the An1x, the Electro is a 
very killer couple!

Ciao ciao

Max

Re: [AN1x] Re: Morphing from "Pretending" to "Performing"

2004-07-30 by Magnus Persson

supermaxillo wrote:

>Hi! I'm italian and my english is very poor, but...
>  
>
I'm from Sweden myself. Not to offend anyone but  I would be surprised 
if the English speaking people on the list managed to express themself 
in Italian or Swedish like we express ourself in English. Be proud 
instead of apologizing yourself!

>I use the An1X with the Nord Electro 2 Rack with a Yamaha P80 and a Roland XP80! I use 
>also a EMU Vintage Pro 
>

>Note that I use 90% Electro (both for EP and 
>Organ) and An1x (lead sounds for solo), the XP80 almost only as master keyboard (except 
>for some brass... that I hate!), the P80 for the acoustic piano and as Master for the 
>Electro's pianos, the EMU for Dyno and some synth.
>
>  
>
I don't want the dazzle to setup a large rig like that. I also want to 
keep the program changes simple so I can focus on the music like I said 
in the previous mail.
The singer in our band sometimes changes the order so the next song 
comes like a surprise to me and then I want to press as few buttons as 
possible before I'm ready for countdown.

>I totally agree with you, I am a keyboardist and I want to use genuine keyboard 
>instruments (we are looking for a very good mini brass section, but it's not easy...!) also if I 
>need almost one hour to prepare my setup in the stage! I like it! I think we are very lucky 
>not to carry by ourself real hammond or rhodes or clavinet or piano...
>
>However, about the Nord, the only limit is that it's monotimbrical, so you can only play 
>organs OR pianos, and it's very hard to play other creepy rolands EPs or organs when you 
>have tested the Nord (or a VK series, I have to be honest!). This is why I use also the EMU 
>Vintage Pro, that have very beautiful Dyno Rhodes (the Nord really miss it!), very powerfull 
>synth patches and tollerable organs for substitutions... but with the An1x, the Electro is a 
>very killer couple!
>  
>

So If I can live with the unweighted action and mediocre acoustic piano 
sounds in the Electro and play the brass parts on the AN1x it would be 
sufficient with only an Electro and an AN1x, right?

>Ciao ciao
>
>Max
>

Regards, Magnus

Re: Morphing from "Pretending" to "Performing"

2004-08-01 by Paul Barbieux

My opinion is that the JV-1010 and AN1x are completely
different... If you want brass and other acoustic
instruments, the AN1x is not the good gear... Now I
wonder what kind of music you play: for 70' covers,
you need brass, organ, bells, real piano, strings, and
I think the JV-1010 is the good choice. But for music
of the third millenium, the AN1x is better. And the
AN1x is very good when you spend time to program it !
Now there is another solution: the sampler. I play in
a rock band, and all my sounds (real or "synthetic")
are sampled, and when I play live, I have only my
sampler (Yamaha A5000) and a Micro Korg to trigger it
!

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>       1. Morphing from "Pretending" to "Performing"
>            From: Magnus Persson <yatzy@...>
>       2. Re: Morphing from "Pretending" to
> "Performing"
>            From: Elson Trinidad
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>    Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 03:30:54 +0200
>    From: Magnus Persson <yatzy@...>
> Subject: Morphing from "Pretending" to "Performing"
> 
> Hi!
> 
> First some background to the question I will ask
> later.
> 
> I've grown tired of being the chameleon of the band,
> playing brass, 
> strings, rythm instruments and harmonica on the
> keyboard.
> So I sold my Ensoniq TS-10 digital workstation and
> bought an Nord 
> electro to just play genuine keyboard parts,
> Hammond, Rhodes,Clavinet, 
> CP-70 etc.
> It felt really great to be focusing on the music
> performance instead of 
> occupying my small brain with thinking about what
> the patch number of 
> the next sound used for the next bar.
> At first the band members was disturbed by the new
> sound the rig 
> delivered but now they've stopped complaining. :-)
> But still some of the songs needed some additional
> synth brass, bell 
> sounds, strings etc. so I bought a JV-1010 for
> "bread&butter" sounds.
> And now it's sort of back to square one, with me
> pretending to be 
> something else than a keyboardist.
> 
> So now I've started to think about replacing the
> JV1010 with an AN1x 
> instead to fill the parts that the Electro cannot
> handle.
> The AN1x IS a genuine keyboard instrument, not
> pretending to be 
> something else than a Synthesizer.
> 
> The question is, will a AN1x, coupled with an
> Electro be enough to play 
> pop/rock/soul music from the 70's until today?
> 
> I understand that the songs must be rearranged and
> that they will not be 
> "truthfully reproduced" but I want to prioritize the
> joy of playing 
> instead of being a slave of the sounds...
> 
> Does anyone understand my situation and the desired
> path I want to go?
> 
>  From being a "Pretending" artist I want to become a
> "Performing" artist 
> and thus bringing out the true joy of music.
> 
> 
> Thanks for listening!
> Regards, Magnus
> 
> 
>
________________________________________________________________________
>
________________________________________________________________________
> 
> Message: 2         
>    Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 22:47:23 -0700
>    From: Elson Trinidad <elson@...>
> Subject: Re: Morphing from "Pretending" to
> "Performing"
> 
> At 06:30 PM 7/29/2004, you wrote:
> >Hi!
> >
> >First some background to the question I will ask
> later.
> >
> >I've grown tired of being the chameleon of the
> band, playing brass,
> >strings, rythm instruments and harmonica on the
> keyboard.
> >So I sold my Ensoniq TS-10 digital workstation and
> bought an Nord
> >electro to just play genuine keyboard parts,
> Hammond, Rhodes,Clavinet,
> >CP-70 etc.
> 
> NORD ELECTRO! I just ordered one!!!!
> 
> 
> >The question is, will a AN1x, coupled with an
> Electro be enough to play
> >pop/rock/soul music from the 70's until today?
> 
> The Nord Electr/AN1x is an AWESOME combination! YES
> it will be enough to 
> play music until today...though I would keep the
> JV1010 (and I have one of 
> those too!)
> to play digital synth sounds. But come next week,
> that's what my setup will 
> be...BLUE AND RED!!!!
> 
> Are you on the nordelectro Yahoo group too?
> 
> Elson
> 
> Elson Trinidad
> Los Angeles, California, USA
> e l s o n @ e l s o n g s . c o m
> www.elsongs.com
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Morphing from "Pretending" to "Performing"

2004-08-02 by Jon

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, Paul Barbieux <pbarbieux@y...> 
wrote:
> My opinion is that the JV-1010 and AN1x are completely
> different... 

I think that's the entire point Magnus is trying to make...whether he 
uses a sampler or a ROMpler is irrelevant, he is frustrated by the 
expectation that as the 'keyboard player' it falls unto him to 
emulate the Brass Section on one song, then pretend to be a String 
Section on the next, and then be a vibraphone player on the next and 
so forth.

I believe it is his ambition to substitute a virtual analog synth for 
his ROMpler in order to affect a paradigm shift in how he approaches 
PLAYING these parts - kind of a step backwards to take a step 
forwards ;-)

Jon

[AN1x] Re: Morphing from "Pretending" to "Performing"

2004-08-02 by supermaxillo

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, Magnus Persson <yatzy@h...> wrote:
> 
> 
> supermaxillo wrote:
> 
> >Hi! I'm italian and my english is very poor, but...
> >  
> >
> I'm from Sweden myself. Not to offend anyone but  I would be surprised 
> if the English speaking people on the list managed to express themself 
> in Italian or Swedish like we express ourself in English. Be proud 
> instead of apologizing yourself!
>
Si! I'm very proud of my effort to write, read and sometimes speak english!
However, you know, if you want to join the largest community, you have to express 
yourself in english, the best your english, the best your expression, and I think that it's 
very important, and, in terms of communication, I believe that, explain that I'm italian and 
that my english it's almost elementar, is usefull for the readers to make more efforts in 
understand what I try to say! ;-)
 
> >I use the An1X with the Nord Electro 2 Rack with a Yamaha P80 and a Roland XP80! I 
use 
> >also a EMU Vintage Pro 
> >
> 
> >Note that I use 90% Electro (both for EP and 
> >Organ) and An1x (lead sounds for solo), the XP80 almost only as master keyboard 
(except 
> >for some brass... that I hate!), the P80 for the acoustic piano and as Master for the 
> >Electro's pianos, the EMU for Dyno and some synth.
> >
> >  
> >
> I don't want the dazzle to setup a large rig like that. I also want to 
> keep the program changes simple so I can focus on the music like I said 
> in the previous mail.
> The singer in our band sometimes changes the order so the next song 
> comes like a surprise to me and then I want to press as few buttons as 
> possible before I'm ready for countdown.

Yes, I understand, but, with a little of programming at home, you can manage all just 
typing a number... I use the XP80 as a Master, when I recall a Performance on it (1-32), all 
other modules change to that preset (1-32), it's very fast and simple. My singer also like to  
change following his instinct... and sometimes, yes, I've typed the wrong number! :-))) 
That's "live"!

> 
> >I totally agree with you, I am a keyboardist and I want to use genuine keyboard 
> >instruments (we are looking for a very good mini brass section, but it's not easy...!) 
also if I 
> >need almost one hour to prepare my setup in the stage! I like it! I think we are very 
lucky 
> >not to carry by ourself real hammond or rhodes or clavinet or piano...
> >
> >However, about the Nord, the only limit is that it's monotimbrical, so you can only play 
> >organs OR pianos, and it's very hard to play other creepy rolands EPs or organs when 
you 
> >have tested the Nord (or a VK series, I have to be honest!). This is why I use also the 
EMU 
> >Vintage Pro, that have very beautiful Dyno Rhodes (the Nord really miss it!), very 
powerfull 
> >synth patches and tollerable organs for substitutions... but with the An1x, the Electro 
is a 
> >very killer couple!
> >  
> >
> 
> So If I can live with the unweighted action and mediocre acoustic piano 
> sounds in the Electro and play the brass parts on the AN1x it would be 
> sufficient with only an Electro and an AN1x, right?
> 
I think that the brass parts of the AN1X are useful only for synth type brass, if you 
need something near the real thing it's better a rompler (like the JV1010). For Brasses and 
Strings I have to use my XP80 (that is, you know, like the JV), For retro style strings or 
brass pad, the AN1x is really good.
So, if you have to buy the AN1x to play ONLY classic brass patch, perhaps it's not a good 
choice. A very good gear, but more expensive, it could be a Yamaha rompler with the 
possibility to install the AN200 expansion (that is like the AN1x, or better?), like a Motif or 
a less expensive S30 (more lightweight too) both with good acoustic and electric piano 
patches plus the brass. Perhaps a CS6x too (but I don't know about good brass patch 
inside...)
But if you play SOMETIMES brass parts (that you can rearrange with synth brass)  and 
OFTEN analog style leads or warm pads, then the AN1x it's ok. IMO.

Ciao a tutti!

Max

Re: Morphing from "Pretending" to "Performing"

2004-08-14 by yatzy1

Thanks Jon!

You have completely understood my approach and my feelings!

Say, do you wanna marry me?  ;-)


/Magnus


--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Jon" <jondl_2000@y...> wrote:
> --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, Paul Barbieux <pbarbieux@y...> 
> wrote:
> > My opinion is that the JV-1010 and AN1x are completely
> > different... 
> 
> I think that's the entire point Magnus is trying to make...whether 
he 
> uses a sampler or a ROMpler is irrelevant, he is frustrated by the 
> expectation that as the 'keyboard player' it falls unto him to 
> emulate the Brass Section on one song, then pretend to be a String 
> Section on the next, and then be a vibraphone player on the next 
and 
> so forth.
> 
> I believe it is his ambition to substitute a virtual analog synth 
for 
> his ROMpler in order to affect a paradigm shift in how he 
approaches 
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> PLAYING these parts - kind of a step backwards to take a step 
> forwards ;-)
> 
> Jon

Re: Morphing from "Pretending" to "Performing"

2004-08-15 by Jon

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "yatzy1" <yatzy@h...> wrote:
> Thanks Jon!
> 
> You have completely understood my approach and my feelings!
> 
> Say, do you wanna marry me?  ;-)
> 

Ha haha hahaha ROFL

I'll take the offer under consideration, but I think my wife would 
insist on a dowery ;-)

Jon