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Hi,

I was wondering what the closest thing to a drum kit on the AN1X is.  
I haven't quite heard any of the percussive patches if such exist.  
Is there no way in getting drum kits since it would have to store 
waveforms?  I noticed that there aren't too many drum banks out 
there.  Thanks.

hank

Hi Hank,

You're right in the fact that producing an entire 'drum kit' from the AN1x
is going to be a little difficult (if not impossible).

The best you'll get is two separate sounds, mapped across each end of the
keyboard.

Don't be discouraged by the fact that there aren't any drum 'samples' stored
in the AN1x. The early drum machines all contained various analogue circuits
- with each oscillator/filter module configured to produce a certain
drum-like sound (often it did require a lot of imagination!). The classic
Roland TR-808 uses nothing but analogue circuitry. Even the TR-909 is only
depending on samples for things like the cymbals.

(I wonder who ever did hit that original HiHat cymbal for the '909 sample? -
What a nice thing it would be to pop that on your file!)  ;)

Using the "Noise Level" on the AN1x you should be able to create both a
'shaker' and a snare-like sound.

The AN1x is also (more than) capable of producing some literaly thunderous
kick drums. Although the thought of devoting my entire synth to just one
kick drum hasn't grabbed me quite just yet. Needless to say, with the aid of
a sampler, one could set about producing quite an array of (very) useable
'kicks'.

I remember buried in my pile of Future Music Magazines, an article on maybe
Orbital (?) talking about how they tend to synthesize most of their kick
drums. I guess it's this sort of attention to detail that keeps bands like
Orbital continuing to break new ground.

I don't know if there are many percussion patches floating around, but in
the spirit of Orbital, how about we all start trying to create some of our
own. I haven't got any made up myself, but if you start with a short Attack
and Release, a VERY low pass filter, a LOT of resonance, and some depth to
the filter (FEG), it would certainly be on the right track.

Let us know how you get on.

It could actually be a good mission for all of us!

Phil :)

Ps. Hank, were you the guy that picked up the AN1x over the CS2x? If so,
don't be turned off by the lack of percussion (or multi-timbrality) on the
AN1x. There are many sound-modules that can cater for those sorts of things,
but it is the pure expressiveness within each patch on the AN1x (via knob
tweaking) that no sample-based (ie CS2x) synth can ever touch.

There is simply no Do-All-Be-Everything-Module-Thingy out there, but when
applied for a specific role, the AN1x really is a such a terrific and
versatile instrument - outshining many other comparable products.

IMOHO, of course! :)

Phil

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Subject: [AN1x-list] Drum kits on AN1X?


Hi,

I was wondering what the closest thing to a drum kit on the AN1X is.
I haven't quite heard any of the percussive patches if such exist.
Is there no way in getting drum kits since it would have to store
waveforms?  I noticed that there aren't too many drum banks out
there.  Thanks.

hank


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>I was wondering what the closest thing to a drum kit on the AN1X is.

Hank -

I can't imagine the AN1X would be any good at creating drum sounds to be
honest. You can get some great rhythmic pulses out of it, but nothing
punchy or crisp enought to really pass for drums. I'd recommend getting a
cheap sampler for the side, or you could get a SR16 for pretty cheap which
is a great basic drummachine.

- Scott
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Hey Scott,

I was asking about drums since I say on
www.sonicstate.com the rating for percussion was 100%
and I assumed that drums were included in that rating.
 Also there is a drums category #17 in the instruction
manual at least.  It's too bad that there aren't any
presets to show what this puppy can do.  thanks.

--- Scott Gibbons <nomusic@...> wrote:
> >I was wondering what the closest thing to a drum
> kit on the AN1X is.
> 
> Hank -
> 
> I can't imagine the AN1X would be any good at
> creating drum sounds to be
> honest. You can get some great rhythmic pulses out
> of it, but nothing
> punchy or crisp enought to really pass for drums.
> I'd recommend getting a
> cheap sampler for the side, or you could get a SR16
> for pretty cheap which
> is a great basic drummachine.
> 
> - Scott
> --------------------
> Scott Gibbons
> nomusic@...
> 
> ADAM &-THE ANTZ	<http://nomusic.hispeed.com/ants>
> LILITH		<http://nomusic.hispeed.com>
> ORBITRONIK	<http://nomusic.hispeed.com/orbitronik>
> STRAWBERRY         
> <http://nomusic.hispeed.com/strawberry>
> 
> 
> 


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Hank,
As you've no doubt deduced a generic category such as Percussion might
be considered all inclusive whether dealing with an analog synth or
virtual analog synth.  There are a few factory presets that give you an
idea of what the AN1x can do so far as electro percussion is concerned. 
Try preset #19 Seismic or #23 Plastik or #24 ChinaTech.  I'd suggest
enabling/disabling the SEQ/ARP for each of these voices to get an idea
of how they are programmed.  You *can* coax analog percussion out of the
AN1x with fairly good results but *don't* expect to program it like a
TR-808.  

If you want to try your own perc voice from scratch - I'd suggest the following:

1) Init an AN1x voice to 'Normal'
2) Use a Saw wave for OSC1 - reduce the VCA sustain amount to '0' -
increase the Feedback amount to taste.
3) Reduce the Ptich of OSC1 to -12 or -24 - increase the Ring Mod amount
to taste - enable Unison mode.

These simple tweaks will get you on your way in no time.

Good luck!

Jon

Hank Weinhardt wrote:
> 
> Hey Scott,
> 
> I was asking about drums since I say on
> www.sonicstate.com the rating for percussion was 100%
> and I assumed that drums were included in that rating.
>  Also there is a drums category #17 in the instruction
> manual at least.  It's too bad that there aren't any
> presets to show what this puppy can do.  thanks.
> 
> --- Scott Gibbons <nomusic@...> wrote:
> > >I was wondering what the closest thing to a drum
> > kit on the AN1X is.
> >
> > Hank -
> >
> > I can't imagine the AN1X would be any good at
> > creating drum sounds to be
> > honest. You can get some great rhythmic pulses out
> > of it, but nothing
> > punchy or crisp enought to really pass for drums.
> > I'd recommend getting a
> > cheap sampler for the side, or you could get a SR16
> > for pretty cheap which
> > is a great basic drummachine.
> >
> > - Scott
> > --------------------
> > Scott Gibbons
> > nomusic@...
> >
> > ADAM &-THE ANTZ       <http://nomusic.hispeed.com/ants>
> > LILITH                <http://nomusic.hispeed.com>
> > ORBITRONIK    <http://nomusic.hispeed.com/orbitronik>
> > STRAWBERRY
> > <http://nomusic.hispeed.com/strawberry>
> >
> >
> >
> 
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Using the AN1x for drums is like using a shovel to take out a screw... you
can, if you modify the shovel and are very careful when using it.

I can only imaging applying my AN for drums in the most unique of
circumstances, or just sampling some of the odd noises it can make and
dumping them back as needed.

> of how they are programmed.  You *can* coax analog percussion 
> out of the
> AN1x with fairly good results but *don't* expect to program it like a
> TR-808.  

Exactly right.  Why don't you just buy a screwdriver?

"Edwards, Ed" wrote:
> 
> Using the AN1x for drums is like using a shovel to take out a screw... you
> can, if you modify the shovel and are very careful when using it.

I remember back in the mid-80s when my friends an I were all on our 1st
synths: DX7's, DW8000's and K3's.  We'd each try to program the ultimate
"Miami Vice" synth drum intro ala Jan Hammer ;-) ha haha 

V/A, analog, or digi/analog hybrid  - makes no difference: programming
electro percussion can be lots of fun!  So long as you're not expecting
a full drum-kit as in a ROMpler, i.e., CS2x, CS6x, etc., the AN1x is as
well suited as any old analog synth ever was :-)

Oh, and don't forget - lower the filter cutoff, raise the depth amount
and crank the Resonance for those way spacey type percussion sounds ;-) 
Try routing velocity to the cutoff rate for even more fun...

regards,
Jon

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"V/A, analog, or digi/analog hybrid - makes no difference: programming
electro percussion can be lots of fun! So long as you're not expecting
a full drum-kit as in a ROMpler, i.e., CS2x, CS6x, etc., the AN1x is as
well suited as any old analog synth ever was :-)"

Cheers,

Phil :)

...who still gets told occassionally that techno
comes from DJ's playing records






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Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 20:04:57 -0400
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Subject: Re: [AN1x-list] Drum kits on AN1X?

Phil wrote:
> 
>      "V/A, analog, or digi/analog hybrid  - makes no difference:
>      programming
>      electro percussion can be lots of fun!  So long as you're
>      not expecting
>      a full drum-kit as in a ROMpler, i.e., CS2x, CS6x, etc., the
>      AN1x is as
>      well suited as any old analog synth ever was :-)"
> 
> EXACTLY!!!  :D
> 
> Where do people think all the drum sounds come from that are in
> ROMplers/Samplers - off sample CD's???


ha haha LOL 

You know what's *really* scary?  When you can pick out sounds from
ROMplers on Sample CD's - ha haha  I just picked up a couple of old
Sounds Good sample CD titles on blowout from Sounds Online.  Going to
see how badly I can mangle some 'Roots Reggae' tracks into ambient dub tracks!

> 
> I can assure you that a large percentage of them are *not* recordings
> of 'real' accoustic drum kits! Particularly those 'kicks'. Rather they
> are synthesised with electronic gear one by one (the AN1x is perfectly
> up to the task), ready for sampling.
> 

Yeah, then you can layer your AN1x electro sounds with some other
samples, pump the lot through a digi delay set to tempo and resample the
whole lot.  Burn your OWN loops!  You know, the A3000 from Yammie offers
a nifty resampling feature for those of you on this list who own one.  I
swear by the resampling on my ASR-X Pro :-)

> If you check my original post/reply on this topic you'll see that I
> suggested using the AN1x as a tool ("screw-driver" if you're clever
> enough) for creating percussive sounds, although to get use of them,
> and not totally dedicate your AN1x for one or two sounds when it could
> be doing something else, one would be better sampling the final
> result.

Absolutely in agreement.  With the proliferation of sound cards, digital
audio editors and as cost effective (read: cheap) samplers these days
there is NO REASON to let the limits of polyphony or multitimbral
channels hinder your use of the AN1x.  I say go for it!

regards,
Jon

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Sample CD's are available - but there is a real art to sound-design.

EWWWWW sample CD's! *holds CD between thumb and index finger, and holds 
nose)...

hehe, i guess i'm just artsy fartsy :-)

ash

>Absolutely in agreement.  With the proliferation of sound cards, digital
>audio editors and as cost effective (read: cheap) samplers these days
>there is NO REASON to let the limits of polyphony or multitimbral
>channels hinder your use of the AN1x.  I say go for it!

AMEN!  everyone bitches about the AN1x cause it's not enough polyphony or not 
enough multitimbrality.....i say FUNK DAT....There comes a time when a man, 
or mankind will evolve into realizing there are such things as DAT Tapes, and 
Audio Sequencers, and not be stuck in the stone ages of 1985's INCREADIBLE 
MIDI technology! *the crowd gasps and chokes up*  

    Don't get me wrong, i like midi for some things, but i'd much rather 
sequence audio whenever possible....just my opinion, it has it's advantages 
and disadvantages.  I'm into some pretty crazy music; experimental, 
industrial, ambient, noise stuff and the AN1x is *perfect* for that stuff, 
but i still sometimes would like to have the ability to change some things 
with a visual representation on my computer screen and do some pretty whacky 
things to the audio, some things that are just plain *impossible* with MIDI, 
and i think it hinders alot of talent out there right now.....woops, im 
rambling...

ash

ps.  Yes! i can type in correct english, proper grammer and everything!  i 
just choose not to waste my time with it in email (must be my punk rock 
background eh?) so if it bothers you-sorry-and sorry about your luck....

Ash, et al,

I definitely have to agree with this as well. :) 

Darren



>Absolutely in agreement.  With the proliferation of sound cards, digital
>audio editors and as cost effective (read: cheap) samplers these days
>there is NO REASON to let the limits of polyphony or multitimbral
>channels hinder your use of the AN1x.  I say go for it!

AMEN!  everyone bitches about the AN1x cause it's not enough polyphony or
not 
enough multitimbrality.....i say FUNK DAT....There comes a time when a
man, 
or mankind will evolve into realizing there are such things as DAT Tapes,
and 
Audio Sequencers, and not be stuck in the stone ages of 1985's
INCREADIBLE 
MIDI technology! *the crowd gasps and chokes up*  

    Don't get me wrong, i like midi for some things, but i'd much rather 
sequence audio whenever possible....just my opinion, it has it's
advantages 
and disadvantages.  I'm into some pretty crazy music; experimental, 
industrial, ambient, noise stuff and the AN1x is *perfect* for that
stuff, 
but i still sometimes would like to have the ability to change some
things 
with a visual representation on my computer screen and do some pretty
whacky 
things to the audio, some things that are just plain *impossible* with
MIDI, 
and i think it hinders alot of talent out there right now.....woops, im 
rambling...

ash

ps.  Yes! i can type in correct english, proper grammer and everything! 
i 
just choose not to waste my time with it in email (must be my punk rock 
background eh?) so if it bothers you-sorry-and sorry about your luck....

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Why thank you my good man :-)  good lookin' out :-)

and i *do* also believe there is advantage and disadvantage to both, i wasnt 
knocking MIDI at all-especially for musical music....im not a musician at 
all, i guess im an anti-musician(?) a sound artist if you will....

ash


In a message dated 7/6/00 3:41:41 AM Central Daylight Time, 
RIXdeGAUL@... writes:

<< Ash, et al,
 
 I definitely have to agree with this as well. :) 
 
 Darren
  >>