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hakan.t wrote:
>>
i´m using win 98 with the audigy sound card.
i´m having no problem recieving midi(patches) from cubase. but when 
i try and recive let´s say 64 patces from an1x editor it hangs , i 
only get the first patch. and i have to shut down the program and 
start it again. I hope you got an answer.     
<<

I guess you mean here that AN1xEdit is sending patches to the synth? So youy see the small dialog saying sending to synth with the progress bar...but you only get as far as patch 1, then get no response from AN1xEdit?

If so and AN1xEdit hangs, then it would imply the MIDI device driver is never acknowledging data transfers from AN1xEdit (Basically AN1xEdit sends a sysex message and waits for the driver to say it is sent. It then waits 50ms and sends the next packet. If the driver never acknowledges the packet is sent then AN1xEdit may wait forever).

This sounds like a driver problem! Although, I haven't had reports of this from other users. The driver ought to acknowledge the data transmission or report an error. 

My advice is to try an alternate MIDI port driver or check for newer drivers on the web.

Regards

Gary Gregson
email: gary@...

Hi Gary,

>If so and AN1xEdit hangs, then it would imply the MIDI device driver is never acknowledging data transfers from AN1xEdit (Basically AN1xEdit sends a sysex message and waits for the driver to say it is sent. It then waits 50ms and sends the next packet. If the driver never acknowledges the packet is sent then AN1xEdit may wait forever).
>
>This sounds like a driver problem! Although, I haven't had reports of this from other users. The driver ought to acknowledge the data transmission or report an error.

I've never had this happen with Win98SE, but it happens all the time in Win2K SP2 with my legacy (joystick/MPU-401) port, and occasionally with my MIDIman 2x2USB, particularly since I upgraded to the multi-client driver.  One or two patches get sent to the port, then nothing more, and I have to close down the application manually.  I believe that it's a driver issue, and I'm even willing to buy that it's really the drivers' fault -- but it seems to only happen with AN1xEdit.  Everything else I use is fine -- Cakewalk, Cubase, Media Player.  Are you accessing the MIDI driver in a unique way, compared to other music programs?

Regards,

-BW

--
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Design Consultant
Ashby Solutions\ufffd   http://consult.ashbysolutions.com
978.386.7389  voice/fax
bruce@...

I have a further question along these lines. I'm considering upgrading
my main music PC and getting seperate Audio & MIDI cards. The problem
is, since I really find An1xEdit a really valuable tool, I want to stay
away from USB midi ports. But when I search on Google for PCI MIDI cards
I get very few results. I really don't want another Creative Labs card.
Is there anyone out there still making PCI MIDI cards or is there a list
of known workable USB cards? I'm using a SBLive with Win98SE now and
have only had a few crashes with AN1xEdit. Have others generally had
luck with XP and USB MIDI?

Thanks,

Scott

Bruce Wahler wrote:
> 
> Hi Gary,
> 
> >If so and AN1xEdit hangs, then it would imply the MIDI device driver is never acknowledging data transfers from AN1xEdit (Basically AN1xEdit sends a sysex message and waits for the driver to say it is sent. It then waits 50ms and sends the next packet. If the driver never acknowledges the packet is sent then AN1xEdit may wait forever).
> >
> >This sounds like a driver problem! Although, I haven't had reports of this from other users. The driver ought to acknowledge the data transmission or report an error.
> 
> I've never had this happen with Win98SE, but it happens all the time in Win2K SP2 with my legacy (joystick/MPU-401) port, and occasionally with my MIDIman 2x2USB, particularly since I upgraded to the multi-client driver.  One or two patches get sent to the port, then nothing more, and I have to close down the application manually.  I believe that it's a driver issue, and I'm even willing to buy that it's really the drivers' fault -- but it seems to only happen with AN1xEdit.  Everything else I use is fine -- Cakewalk, Cubase, Media Player.  Are you accessing the MIDI driver in a unique way, compared to other music programs?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> -BW

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Hi Scott,

>I have a further question along these lines. I'm considering upgrading
>my main music PC and getting seperate Audio & MIDI cards. The problem
>is, since I really find An1xEdit a really valuable tool, I want to stay
>away from USB midi ports. But when I search on Google for PCI MIDI cards
>I get very few results. I really don't want another Creative Labs card.
>Is there anyone out there still making PCI MIDI cards or is there a list
>of known workable USB cards? I'm using a SBLive with Win98SE now and
>have only had a few crashes with AN1xEdit. Have others generally had
>luck with XP and USB MIDI?

There are very few PCI MIDI adapters available these days.  Most of the world seems to be moving towards USB to catch both Mac and PC customers.  (Dual-platform support was built into the PCI spec, but never really caught on.)  There are some good high-end PCI cards with MIDI support like Echo's Layla24, but bring your wallet and first-born; they aren't cheap!

"Known workable" USB adapters is an interesting term.  ALL of the manufacturers will tell you their cards work with 2K and XP, and under the right conditions, they are probably correct.  I've never had a single crash with AN1xEdit and my MIDIman 2x2 USB under Win98SE, but my track record with Win2K is not as good.


Regards,

-BW

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bruce@...

On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 19:48:29 -0500 Scott Carr wrote:

> I have a further question along these lines. I'm considering upgrading
> my main music PC and getting seperate Audio & MIDI cards. The problem
> is, since I really find An1xEdit a really valuable tool, I want to stay
> away from USB midi ports. But when I search on Google for PCI MIDI cards
> I get very few results. I really don't want another Creative Labs card.
> Is there anyone out there still making PCI MIDI cards or is there a list
> of known workable USB cards? I'm using a SBLive with Win98SE now and
> have only had a few crashes with AN1xEdit. Have others generally had
> luck with XP and USB MIDI?

I have no experience myself, but word has it that problems with USB and
MIDI is something of the past.

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On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 22:55:44 -0500 Bruce Wahler wrote:


> (Dual-platform support was built into the PCI spec, but
> never really caught on.)

Make that 'cross-platform': my Sun workstation (with a SPARC processor,
running Solaris 8) has PCI as well.

I agree about the not catching on, although there are some notable
exceptions like the RME audio cards.

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Hello,

I have a Midiman (now maudio) audiophile 2496 

http://www.midiman.com/products/m-audio/audiophile.php

a PCI audio card with all in 
(MIDI 2 stereo in/out and SPIDIF coax in/OUT) 

I use XP,  Soundidver and an1xedit and a lot of SW for sysex transfer 
and everything works fine ! 

actually since I change from an Hoontech XG yamaha midi card 
the midi sysex transfers do run much smoother also on Sdiver 
and all of my other tons of synths :-) 

it is a good card , also not expensive
around 180 euro nowdays 

I only have small clicks and pops occasionally
when I use the fancy plugins of Logic 5.5 
and I understand from midiman that this card needs a 
unique IRQ address to work properly 
so I am working on it reshuffling cards in right order
sadly enough XP got 2 shared IRQ automatically on guess what ? 
the 2 Audio card :-) ! damm Murphy always there :-)  

no experience with USB midi card sorry ! 
but it u start  from 0 u can get audio and midi on 1 card only 
and no extra cables beside it seems like timing on USB MIDI card 
is not that accurate expecially if the USB cards have more then 2 3 devices 
plugged in 



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----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Scott Carr" <scott@...>
To: <AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 01:48
Subject: Re: [AN1x] Re: editor hangs


> I have a further question along these lines. I'm considering upgrading
> my main music PC and getting seperate Audio & MIDI cards. The problem
> is, since I really find An1xEdit a really valuable tool, I want to stay
> away from USB midi ports. But when I search on Google for PCI MIDI cards
> I get very few results. I really don't want another Creative Labs card.
> Is there anyone out there still making PCI MIDI cards or is there a list
> of known workable USB cards? I'm using a SBLive with Win98SE now and
> have only had a few crashes with AN1xEdit. Have others generally had
> luck with XP and USB MIDI?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Scott

Hi,
You could look at the sw1000xg excellent for midi and onboard sounds but if you have anx1edit I assume you have the sw. There is M-Audio2496 good for midi and audio,New hammerfall dsp,Marc Midi series cards,MAudio do good usb midi devices. Any combination of these will do. I have sw1000xg/an150 for midi and analog synth sounds, an M-Audio2496 for audio/vsti,SBLive platinham for multimedia use....woh thats most of my pci slots used.....be carefull on IRQ settings.
Regards 
Dmanx.

> On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 19:48:29 -0500 Scott Carr wrote:
>
> I have a further question along these lines. I'm considering upgrading
> my main music PC and getting seperate Audio & MIDI cards. The problem
> is, since I really find An1xEdit a really valuable tool, I want to stay
> away from USB midi ports. But when I search on Google for PCI MIDI cards
> I get very few results. I really don't want another Creative Labs card.
> Is there anyone out there still making PCI MIDI cards or is there a list
> of known workable USB cards? I'm using a SBLive with Win98SE now and
> have only had a few crashes with AN1xEdit. Have others generally had
> luck with XP and USB MIDI?
>
>I have no experience myself, but word has it that problems with USB and
>MIDI is something of the past.
>
>- Peter
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Hi,

this is in response to a quite old thread (january 2003) i found 
searching the archives.

it just happened that i had to re-install my pc (windows, you know..), 
and since i don't use any "old" programs like cubase vst any longer i 
decided to skip my second partition running under win98 and install 
win2k all over the place. bad idea.
last night i hooked up my an1x to an1xedit for the first time and 
tried to bulk read all patches from the synth. as described in the old 
thread, the program only received the first patch, then delivered a 
midi error and wouldn't read any more patches. restart an1x, read the 
next patch and the next after that - midi error. sending patches to 
the synth is no problem just reading them. needless to say that 
sounddiver and cubase can both, read and write, single patches, 
multiple patches, whatever.
if the sounddiver implementation of an1x wasn't so poor i would leave 
it at that, but the an1xedit interface is so much better.

what i want to ask is:
- has already someone come up with a solution? has it probably 
something to do with a bad midi interface (i'm using a SBLive w/ 
drivebay and the latest drivers)?
- do i otherwise really have to revive my win98 machine just for this 
one program?

please say it ins't true!!

- Lothar -

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Wahler <bruce@a...> wrote:

> I've never had this happen with Win98SE, but it happens all the time 
in Win2K SP2 with my legacy (joystick/MPU-401) port, and occasionally 
with my MIDIman 2x2USB, particularly since I upgraded to the 
multi-client driver.  One or two patches get sent to the port, then 
nothing more, and I have to close down the application manually.  I 
believe that it's a driver issue, and I'm even willing to buy that 
it's really the drivers' fault -- but it seems to only happen with 
AN1xEdit.  Everything else I use is fine -- Cakewalk, Cubase, Media 
Player.  Are you accessing the MIDI driver in a unique way, compared 
to other music programs?

> 
> Regards,
> 
> -BW
> 
> --
> Bruce Wahler
> Design Consultant
> Ashby Solutions™   http://consult.ashbysolutions.com
> 978.386.7389  voice/fax
> bruce@a...

Hi Lothar...
I've Used An1xEdit On 98, 2k and XP Without A Problem.
What Is Exactly The Error Message?

Also, Win2k Is Known For A Bad Audio Interface With The Kernel ,  So Will
Not Surprise Me... But If You Say The Error, Maybe We Can Help You Work
Arround It.

Note: Have You Tried To Make It Work With Any Other MIDI Interface? Like A
USB One?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lothar Mueller" <lm089@...>
To: <AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 8:20 AM
Subject: [AN1x] Re: editor hangs


Hi,

this is in response to a quite old thread (january 2003) i found
searching the archives.

it just happened that i had to re-install my pc (windows, you know..),
and since i don't use any "old" programs like cubase vst any longer i
decided to skip my second partition running under win98 and install
win2k all over the place. bad idea.
last night i hooked up my an1x to an1xedit for the first time and
tried to bulk read all patches from the synth. as described in the old
thread, the program only received the first patch, then delivered a
midi error and wouldn't read any more patches. restart an1x, read the
next patch and the next after that - midi error. sending patches to
the synth is no problem just reading them. needless to say that
sounddiver and cubase can both, read and write, single patches,
multiple patches, whatever.
if the sounddiver implementation of an1x wasn't so poor i would leave
it at that, but the an1xedit interface is so much better.

what i want to ask is:
- has already someone come up with a solution? has it probably
something to do with a bad midi interface (i'm using a SBLive w/
drivebay and the latest drivers)?
- do i otherwise really have to revive my win98 machine just for this
one program?

please say it ins't true!!

- Lothar -

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Wahler <bruce@a...> wrote:

> I've never had this happen with Win98SE, but it happens all the time
in Win2K SP2 with my legacy (joystick/MPU-401) port, and occasionally
with my MIDIman 2x2USB, particularly since I upgraded to the
multi-client driver.  One or two patches get sent to the port, then
nothing more, and I have to close down the application manually.  I
believe that it's a driver issue, and I'm even willing to buy that
it's really the drivers' fault -- but it seems to only happen with
AN1xEdit.  Everything else I use is fine -- Cakewalk, Cubase, Media
Player.  Are you accessing the MIDI driver in a unique way, compared
to other music programs?
>
> Regards,
>
> -BW
>
> --
> Bruce Wahler
> Design Consultant
> Ashby SolutionsT   http://consult.ashbysolutions.com
> 978.386.7389  voice/fax
> bruce@a...



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Hi Lothar,

>I've Used An1xEdit On 98, 2k and XP Without A Problem.
>What Is Exactly The Error Message?
>
>Also, Win2k Is Known For A Bad Audio Interface With The Kernel ,  So Will
>Not Surprise Me... But If You Say The Error, Maybe We Can Help You Work
>Arround It.
>
>Note: Have You Tried To Make It Work With Any Other MIDI Interface? Like A
>USB One?

My $0.02 --

I've had similar problems with AN1xEdit in Win2K.  I've found that I can transfer small amounts of data well, but a full bulk dump of the AN1x is a big problem.  I did not have this problem in Win98SE.

I use a Midiman 2x2 USB -- actually, I use a pair of them together -- and while using InA+OutA or InB+OutB has this problem, I use OutA+InB with no problems at all.  I don't know if this is because of driver issues or Win2K issues, but dividing up the tasks between the two ports solves my problems.  Maybe its a USB "endpoints" issue?

Regards,

-BW
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bruce@...

Hi Bruce, That's Weird. Supposely All The Ports Have The Same Speed.
I'd HAd Many Problems Like That With A Fast MIDI Interface (Edirol), I Cant
Make Midi DUMP Or Send Sysex Data Cause The Midi Interface Is Too Fast. So I
Just Use A Slower One (Midisport 4x4) And It Works Sweet.

I Think The Problem here Must Be The Same, The Midi chunks Are Too Fast For
Being Received.
Workarround? Well, Depend Of The Midi Card You Use. Maybe There Are Some
Options To Slow Down The Midi Clock On
The SoundBlaster Live. I Have No Clue How AN1x Edit Is Making The Use Of
Midi.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bruce Wahler" <bruce@...>
To: <AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: [AN1x] Re: editor hangs


> Hi Lothar,
>
> >I've Used An1xEdit On 98, 2k and XP Without A Problem.
> >What Is Exactly The Error Message?
> >
> >Also, Win2k Is Known For A Bad Audio Interface With The Kernel ,  So Will
> >Not Surprise Me... But If You Say The Error, Maybe We Can Help You Work
> >Arround It.
> >
> >Note: Have You Tried To Make It Work With Any Other MIDI Interface? Like
A
> >USB One?
>
> My $0.02 --
>
> I've had similar problems with AN1xEdit in Win2K.  I've found that I can
transfer small amounts of data well, but a full bulk dump of the AN1x is a
big problem.  I did not have this problem in Win98SE.
>
> I use a Midiman 2x2 USB -- actually, I use a pair of them together -- and
while using InA+OutA or InB+OutB has this problem, I use OutA+InB with no
problems at all.  I don't know if this is because of driver issues or Win2K
issues, but dividing up the tasks between the two ports solves my problems.
Maybe its a USB "endpoints" issue?

>
> Regards,
>
> -BW
> --
> Bruce Wahler
> Ashby SolutionsT   http://music.ashbysolutions.com
> 978.386.7389  voice/fax
> bruce@...
>
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Hi there

>Subject: [AN1x] Re: editor hangs

>what i want to ask is:
>- has already someone come up with a solution? has it probably
>something to do with a bad midi interface (i'm using a SBLive w/
>drivebay and the latest drivers)?
>- do i otherwise really have to revive my win98 machine just for this
>one program?

>please say it ins't true!!

>- Lothar -


I've been using the AN1XEdit for dumping patches to the PLG150-AN Plug-In
card on a Yamaha Motif8 and discovered that there is an option to dump a
SINGLE or ALL voices.. ALL VOICES needs to be SELECTED before ALL Patches
are BULK DUMPED..

Try installing MIDIYOLK, a MultiMIDI PORT Client, excellent for routing MIDI
ports between programs installed on a PC and can be empoyed to record
complete SYSEX dumps between programs which store there data in a particular
file format.. I've done this using the AN1XEdit sent the data to a MIDIYOLK
Port and re-routed the data to another program.. I have also used SendXF a
cute little Freeware Utility that can export SYSEX data from another program
like An1XEdit - great for saving SYSEX BULK DUMPS all in one single file..

As you know, you can transmit SYSEX DUMPS from a lot of programs, even MIDI
sequencers like Cakewalk/SONAR..

Try selecting ALL Patches and bulk dump that see if this works..

MIDIMan have a patch you can download for Windows XP for MultiMIDI Ports
which fixes Windows MIDI restrictions.. The Patch is meant for MIDIMan
MultiPort devices but I should expect it should work generically in that it
informs the Windows registry to enable 9 x MIDI Clients each that can have 8
ports.. Maybe this'll help expand your system and free-up the Soundblaster
card hogging your resources?

www.midiman.com

Just an idea..

Let us know how you get on..

regards


Kevan

Hi all,

thanks for sharing your ideas.

> I'd HAd Many Problems Like That With A Fast MIDI Interface (Edirol), 
I Cant
> Make Midi DUMP Or Send Sysex Data Cause The Midi Interface Is Too 
Fast. So I
> Just Use A Slower One (Midisport 4x4) And It Works Sweet.

that's exactly my impression: it is like different serial data streams 
getting into trouble with each other. strange thing about that problem 
is that obviously only AN1xEdit seems to have those problems. could it 
be that the program is sending commands too fast too soon, like: "hey 
synth, send me patch #1, hey synth, send me patch #2, oops, here comes 
patch #1, hey synth, send me..., oops, here comes patch #2 - don't 
know where to put it- HELP!"

currently i use the one and only midi interface that comes with my 
sblive (1xIn, 1xOut). but as you speak about it i remember that there 
must be a Motu 4x2 for a parallel port lying around somewhere in my 
rehearsal area. I'll try that and see if it helps (maybe even SBLive 
Out ==> AN1x In, and AN1x Out ==> MOTU In?). 

I'll keep posting any results

Greetings,
- Lothar -

Hi Kevan,

> Try installing MIDIYOLK, a MultiMIDI PORT Client, excellent for 
routing MIDI
> ports between programs installed on a PC and can be empoyed to 
record
> complete SYSEX dumps between programs which store there data in a 
particular
> file format.. I've done this using the AN1XEdit sent the data to a 
MIDIYOLK
> Port and re-routed the data to another program.

yup, i was thinking of using something like MIDI YOKE or MIDI OX to 
record the Midi data stream, hoping to find the reason for this 
behaviour. unfortunately, i don't see myself as a Mdid expert, and I'm 
afraid i might observe something that i don't have an interpretation 
for. but then, on the other hand, there's this magnificent list... :-)

Greetings,

- Lothar -

When I use other programs to load OS updates or dumps, I slow the tempo down. Perhaps there is a setting to do that or set the tempo speed?

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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: kaltar 
  To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 6:54 AM
  Subject: Re: [AN1x] Re: editor hangs


  Hi Bruce, That's Weird. Supposely All The Ports Have The Same Speed.
  I'd HAd Many Problems Like That With A Fast MIDI Interface (Edirol), I Cant
  Make Midi DUMP Or Send Sysex Data Cause The Midi Interface Is Too Fast. So I
  Just Use A Slower One (Midisport 4x4) And It Works Sweet.

  I Think The Problem here Must Be The Same, The Midi chunks Are Too Fast For
  Being Received.
  Workarround? Well, Depend Of The Midi Card You Use. Maybe There Are Some
  Options To Slow Down The Midi Clock On
  The SoundBlaster Live. I Have No Clue How AN1x Edit Is Making The Use Of
  Midi.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Bruce Wahler" <bruce@...>
  To: <AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com>
  Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 9:37 AM
  Subject: Re: [AN1x] Re: editor hangs


  > Hi Lothar,
  >
  > >I've Used An1xEdit On 98, 2k and XP Without A Problem.
  > >What Is Exactly The Error Message?
  > >
  > >Also, Win2k Is Known For A Bad Audio Interface With The Kernel ,  So Will
  > >Not Surprise Me... But If You Say The Error, Maybe We Can Help You Work
  > >Arround It.
  > >
  > >Note: Have You Tried To Make It Work With Any Other MIDI Interface? Like
  A
  > >USB One?
  >
  > My $0.02 --
  >
  > I've had similar problems with AN1xEdit in Win2K.  I've found that I can
  transfer small amounts of data well, but a full bulk dump of the AN1x is a
  big problem.  I did not have this problem in Win98SE.
  >
  > I use a Midiman 2x2 USB -- actually, I use a pair of them together -- and
  while using InA+OutA or InB+OutB has this problem, I use OutA+InB with no
  problems at all.  I don't know if this is because of driver issues or Win2K
  issues, but dividing up the tasks between the two ports solves my problems.
  Maybe its a USB "endpoints" issue?
  >
  > Regards,
  >
  > -BW
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Hi all,

last night i played around, but didn't find a way to improve things:

first i installed my parallel port MOTU Pocket Express (2x4). then i 
tried Bruce's trick of using both channels (e.g. Ch. A Out, Ch. B In; 
i even tried different Midi interfaces like in Motu Ch. A Out, SBLive 
Midi In). but still the same: everytime i select multiple patches in 
the editor (or activate "SELECT ALL") and then click the "Request" 
button to receive patches from my synth the first patch comes across 
well, but then the editor displays its error message "Receive error".

Did i mention that i never had any problems *SENDING* multiple patches 
up to the synth? The problem only occurs when i try to create a backup 
of all my synth's patches.

i also tried to monitor the midi data using Midi-Ox, but as expected 
there were just hundreds of hex numbers all over the place that didn't 
give me the least hint of what was going on...

i know, i know, an1xedit didn't cost me a thing, but this behaviour 
still is annoying.

next thing i'll try is using my office notebook running under WinXP. 

meanwhile, if someone here has a good idea what i could try next 
(apart from re-installing win98!!) i'd be very glad to hear about it.

thanks again,

- Lothar -

Well, The Midi Data In Midi-Ox Can Tell You Everything... But In a Patch, Or
Midi Event, Etc. But You Will Never See An Error There.
In Other Hand, If The Midi Receive Is The one On Conflict, Then The Problem
Is On The AN1x  And Not On The AN1xEdit. Have You Verified All The Settings
For Midi On It?

----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Lothar Mueller" <lm089@...>
To: <AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 7:53 AM
Subject: [AN1x] Re: editor hangs (Update)


> Hi all,
>
> last night i played around, but didn't find a way to improve things:
>
> first i installed my parallel port MOTU Pocket Express (2x4). then i
> tried Bruce's trick of using both channels (e.g. Ch. A Out, Ch. B In;
> i even tried different Midi interfaces like in Motu Ch. A Out, SBLive
> Midi In). but still the same: everytime i select multiple patches in
> the editor (or activate "SELECT ALL") and then click the "Request"
> button to receive patches from my synth the first patch comes across
> well, but then the editor displays its error message "Receive error".
>
> Did i mention that i never had any problems *SENDING* multiple patches
> up to the synth? The problem only occurs when i try to create a backup
> of all my synth's patches.
>
> i also tried to monitor the midi data using Midi-Ox, but as expected
> there were just hundreds of hex numbers all over the place that didn't
> give me the least hint of what was going on...
>
> i know, i know, an1xedit didn't cost me a thing, but this behaviour
> still is annoying.
>
> next thing i'll try is using my office notebook running under WinXP.
>
> meanwhile, if someone here has a good idea what i could try next
> (apart from re-installing win98!!) i'd be very glad to hear about it.
>
> thanks again,
>
> - Lothar -
>
>
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Hi

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "kaltar" <kaltar@k...> wrote:
> Well, The Midi Data In Midi-Ox Can Tell You Everything... But In a 
Patch, Or
> Midi Event, Etc. But You Will Never See An Error There.
> In Other Hand, If The Midi Receive Is The one On Conflict, Then The 
Problem
> Is On The AN1x  And Not On The AN1xEdit. Have You Verified All The 
Settings
> For Midi On It?

well, i guess i have verified it, but who knows? maybe there's some 
parameter that i didn't see? what settings would you be checking? so 
far i looked at both Rx and Tx channel settings plus the device id. 
midi channels are both set to "1", device id is set to "all".

PLUS: as i mentioned in the first place, bulk reception of patches 
works like a breeze using SoundDiver or Cubase. it's only an1xedit 
where i'm having those problems.

thanks for your efforts,

- Lothar -

Hi Lother

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lothar Mueller [mailto:lm089@...]
> Sent: 30 October 2003 09:06
> To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AN1x] Re: editor hangs (Update)
> 
> 
> Hi
> 
> well, i guess i have verified it, but who knows? maybe there's some 
> parameter that i didn't see? what settings would you be checking? so 
> far i looked at both Rx and Tx channel settings plus the device id. 
> midi channels are both set to "1", device id is set to "all".
> 
> PLUS: as i mentioned in the first place, bulk reception of patches 
> works like a breeze using SoundDiver or Cubase. it's only an1xedit 
> where i'm having those problems.
> 
> thanks for your efforts,
> 
> - Lothar -

I found some info in the An1XEdit "Help file" which explains why users may find problems with System Exclusive Dumping..

Maybe this is the problem you are experiencing also?

Here's the page: - 

System Edit Module

This module allows access to the current Library Synth System Setup parameters and special auditioning control functions (i.e. on screen keyboard and controller wheels).

The DEVICE dial is used to select the device number for transmission of all AN1xEdit Sysex parameter change and bulk dump messages. By default the AN1x and host devices are configured to receive on all Sysex device numbers. However if several devices are being used in a single MIDI setup, the user can configure each synth (and program library) to use a different device number.

AN1x Specific:
It should be noted that the DEVICE dial allows the selection of a value of OFF when operating in AN1x mode. This effectively disables the AN1x from receiving any further edits (including any messages to turn reception back on!!!!). Hence care should be taken when adjusting this dial. Incorrect use will require that you reset the device number from the AN1x synth front panel.

The RX1 dial is used to select the primary receive MIDI channel of the AN1x synth. The value set in this dial also determines the channel used by AN1xEdit to send all channel based MIDI messages (i.e. Note On/Off from the Keyboard and Controller messages from the Wheels)

The AN1x synth can be configured to operate in two modes for Continuous Controller transmission and reception (configuration is by means of holding down the ASSIGN button during power on). In mode 1 the synth responds only to General MIDI defined controller numbers, whilst in mode 2 an enhanced set of controller numbers are available.

Unfortunately there is no way to remotely determine or set the current synth operating mode in this respect. Consequently AN1xEdit has no way of knowing the current configuration. Hence for completeness, AN1xEdit always shows all available controllers in its controller related Menu dials. However the controller numbers are colour coded to indicate the mode they apply to:-

Controllers shown in BLACK are only available in Mode 2 - AN1x specific mode.
Controllers shown in BLUE are available in both Mode 2 and Mode 1 - General MIDI mode
PLG150AN Specific:

The system area provides parameters for configuring the host device to allow editing and morphing of AN parameters.
Part - allows an XG part to be designated for PLG150AN usage.
CH - designates the MIDI receive channel assigned to the XG part.
Board - should be assigned to  the PLG150AN board number in multi PLG board systems.

MORPH - allows the morphing feature to be enabled or disabled. The target morph program is defined used MSB, LSB and PROG dials.

thanks Kevan, that sounds pretty promising. indeed i wasn't aware of 
those differences, and i have to admit that until now i only 
"cross-read" the editor's helpfile; the editor in most aspects is too 
intuitive...

i'll give it a try tonight

- Lothar -

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Kevan R. Craft" <craftbro@m...> 
wrote:

> 
> I found some info in the An1XEdit "Help file" which explains why 
users may find problems with System Exclusive Dumping..
> 
> Maybe this is the problem you are experiencing also?

Thanks again for your hint, Kevan; i checked last night, played around 
with the various system parameters, took much closer looks at the help 
file, but no changes, neither to the better nor to the worse side. 
I'll give it a go with a different pc over the weekend; since Bruce at 
least got it working somehow on a Win2k machine chances are that it 
has something to do with my particular PC.

Greetings, have a nicce weekend all,

- Lothar -

Hi all,

guess it's something in my PC and/or in Win2000: over the weekend i 
brought my office notebook home and hooked up my synth to it: 
everything runs wonderful, just as I had expected in the first 
place. The notebook runs under WinXP.

Thanks again for your attempts to help; guessI'll have to go 
shopping these days...

Greetings,

- Lothar -

Hi Lothar

At least you have determined the problem is Windows2000 and MIDI..

Have a look on Microsoft's web site for a fix or update to the Win2000? Maybe there is a patch to fix this problem you are experiencing?

Maybe you can install WindowsXP?? This will solve your problem..

Regards


Kevan

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lothar Mueller [mailto:lm089@...]
> Sent: 02 November 2003 21:21
> To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AN1x] Re: editor hangs (Finale?)
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> guess it's something in my PC and/or in Win2000: over the weekend i 
> brought my office notebook home and hooked up my synth to it: 
> everything runs wonderful, just as I had expected in the first 
> place. The notebook runs under WinXP.
> 
> Thanks again for your attempts to help; guessI'll have to go 
> shopping these days...
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> - Lothar -