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Jimmy

AFAIR there are 2 special slots in the MAtrix for contrllling FX params ,
including FX wet dry mix.
Try using them..
 (easier with AN1xEdit - they are the rightest ones there on Matrix page)

Ray.

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From: "spaceanimals" <alciere@...>
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Sent: Thursday, 19 September 2002 \ufffd. 22:50
Subject: [AN1x] knobs of effects


> I set the control matrix so that knob 4 controls the wet dry control
> for the effects. I set the wet dry mix to 64 dry. The sound was still
> very wet. I turned the knob-no change. I set the mod matrix to
> +64,    -64, and direct. No change.
>
> I also tried setting knob 4 to control comm 1 delay, and comm 2
> reverb. I have no idea what those are but I was hoping to get more
> delay and more reverb when I turned the knob up. No luck.
>
> I've been playing with the phase shift and delay effects. They sound
> nice but the take away a little of the crispness and the definition
> of the sound.So using a knob to turn it up and turn it down would be
> real nice.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Rainbow Jimmy
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Correct. In the Ctrl Matrix you can set the VarEF D:W parameter to 
the physical controller or CC message number of your choice. 
This allows you to dynamically adjust the dry/wet setting of the 
Variation Effect.

In addition to the sixteen Ctrl Matrix sets you also have Common 
Set 1 and 2 parameters shared by each Scene in a Voice. This 
allows you to set Volume, Pan, Delay Return, Reverb Return or 
the Variation Parameter to the physical controller or CC 
message number of your choice. Unfortunately you are limited to 
two of the three FX related parameters using the Commn Sets, 
i.e., you can't control the Dly Rtn, Rev Rtn AND Vari parms 
simultaneosuly.

As much as enjoy and appreciate the flexibility fo the Control 
Matrix I find myself frustrated more often with this type of design 
limitation. Another example: as I was working on my Electronic 
Organ Voices I had assigned PEG Decay and PEG Depth to 
values of 5 and 20 respectively to produce a key click at note on. I 
thought it would be interesting to assign the PEG Depth 
parameter to Knob 3 via the Ctrl Matrix so the amount of ey click 
could be variable. I wanted to limit the Depth range to a value of 
32 to restrict the amount of change to a series of values that 
would be realistically found on an organ as opposed to a synth. 
Unfortunately the Ctrl Matrix permits the PEG Depth value to be 
set only to Direct. While this clearly is not a show stopper, IMO it 
defeats the point of having a scalable value to begin with! 

regards,

Jon



--- In AN1x-list@y..., "RayMaxer" <digil@d...> wrote:
> Jimmy
> 
> AFAIR there are 2 special slots in the MAtrix for contrllling FX 
params ,
> including FX wet dry mix.
> Try using them..
>  (easier with AN1xEdit - they are the rightest ones there on 
Matrix page)
> 
> Ray.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "spaceanimals" <alciere@m...>
> To: <AN1x-list@y...>
> Sent: Thursday, 19 September 2002 ã. 22:50
> Subject: [AN1x] knobs of effects
> 
> 
> > I set the control matrix so that knob 4 controls the wet dry 
control
> > for the effects. I set the wet dry mix to 64 dry. The sound was 
still
> > very wet. I turned the knob-no change. I set the mod matrix to
> > +64,    -64, and direct. No change.
> >
> > I also tried setting knob 4 to control comm 1 delay, and 
comm 2
> > reverb. I have no idea what those are but I was hoping to get 
more
> > delay and more reverb when I turned the knob up. No luck.
> >
> > I've been playing with the phase shift and delay effects. They 
sound
> > nice but the take away a little of the crispness and the 
definition
> > of the sound.So using a knob to turn it up and turn it down 
would be
> > real nice.
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > Rainbow Jimmy
> > http://www.spaceanimals.com
> > http://www.mp3.com/spaceanimals
> >
> >
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>values of 5 and 20 respectively to produce a key click at note on. I
>thought it would be interesting to assign the PEG Depth
>parameter to Knob 3 via the Ctrl Matrix so the amount of ey click
>could be variable. I wanted to limit the Depth range to a value of
>32 to restrict the amount of change to a series of values that
>would be realistically found on an organ as opposed to a synth.
>Unfortunately the Ctrl Matrix permits the PEG Depth value to be
>set only to Direct. While this clearly is not a show stopper, IMO it
>defeats the point of having a scalable value to begin with!

[[Wildly flailing arms in windmill fashion and hopping about...]]

I TOLD you that this synth has some STRANGE behaviors.

[[Thoughtfully pulling at chin...]]

Maybe instead of yelling, I should ask Jon if he would start a file folder of
known "bugs, quirks, and seemingly odd" behaviors.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon" <jondl_2000@...>
To: <AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: [AN1x] knobs of effects


Correct. In the Ctrl Matrix you can set the VarEF D:W parameter to
the physical controller or CC message number of your choice.
This allows you to dynamically adjust the dry/wet setting of the
Variation Effect.

In addition to the sixteen Ctrl Matrix sets you also have Common
Set 1 and 2 parameters shared by each Scene in a Voice. This
allows you to set Volume, Pan, Delay Return, Reverb Return or
the Variation Parameter to the physical controller or CC
message number of your choice. Unfortunately you are limited to
two of the three FX related parameters using the Commn Sets,
i.e., you can't control the Dly Rtn, Rev Rtn AND Vari parms
simultaneosuly.

As much as enjoy and appreciate the flexibility fo the Control
Matrix I find myself frustrated more often with this type of design
limitation. Another example: as I was working on my Electronic
Organ Voices I had assigned PEG Decay and PEG Depth to



--- In AN1x-list@y..., "RayMaxer" <digil@d...> wrote:
> Jimmy
>
> AFAIR there are 2 special slots in the MAtrix for contrllling FX
params ,
> including FX wet dry mix.
> Try using them..
>  (easier with AN1xEdit - they are the rightest ones there on
Matrix page)
>
> Ray.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "spaceanimals" <alciere@m...>
> To: <AN1x-list@y...>
> Sent: Thursday, 19 September 2002 \ufffd. 22:50
> Subject: [AN1x] knobs of effects
>
>
> > I set the control matrix so that knob 4 controls the wet dry
control
> > for the effects. I set the wet dry mix to 64 dry. The sound was
still
> > very wet. I turned the knob-no change. I set the mod matrix to
> > +64,    -64, and direct. No change.
> >
> > I also tried setting knob 4 to control comm 1 delay, and
comm 2
> > reverb. I have no idea what those are but I was hoping to get
more
> > delay and more reverb when I turned the knob up. No luck.
> >
> > I've been playing with the phase shift and delay effects. They
sound
> > nice but the take away a little of the crispness and the
definition
> > of the sound.So using a knob to turn it up and turn it down
would be
> > real nice.
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > Rainbow Jimmy
> > http://www.spaceanimals.com
> > http://www.mp3.com/spaceanimals
> >
> >
> >
> > Community email addresses:
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--- In AN1x-list@y..., "Ed Edwards" <edward.edwards@v...> 
wrote:

> >Unfortunately the Ctrl Matrix permits the PEG Depth value to 
be
> >set only to Direct. While this clearly is not a show stopper, IMO 
it
> >defeats the point of having a scalable value to begin with!
> 
> [[Wildly flailing arms in windmill fashion and hopping about...]]
> 
> I TOLD you that this synth has some STRANGE behaviors.
> 
> [[Thoughtfully pulling at chin...]]
> 
> Maybe instead of yelling, I should ask Jon if he would start a 
file folder of
> known "bugs, quirks, and seemingly odd" behaviors.
> 

Yeah, not a bad idea. Maybe we should just add a HTML doc to 
the Tips & Tricks directory -or not?

If you whip out your handy dandy AN1x Data List and turn to Page 
10 you'll see the PEG Depth parm (amongst others both of us 
have complained about) are restricted to 'mul' (for multiply) as 
opposed to 'add' - the desired behavior. Clearly this is an 
intentional design limitation but without explanation it appears to 
be arbitrary and unnecessary.

Another weird thing - while working on my E Piano and E Organ 
voice banks I couldn't for the life of me recreate the Ribbon 
Controller bug?!? Go figure...

So that's two that would make it into the bug list. What else? How 
about using a foot pedal to stop/start the Arp/Seq - have to be in 
Mode 2 for that trick. 

We know about the old audible popping and clicking defect and 
how to reconnect a non-responisve Ribbon Controller. We know 
about the large SysEx dump size, etc.

What we also need are the EX5 v. AN1x comparison and th 
PLG150/AN v. AN1x comparison tables. I've put up some HTML 
from the PLG150 spec's in the files section but that about it.

Ideas?

Jon

> I wanted to limit the Depth range to a value of 
> 32 to restrict the amount of change to a series of values that 
> would be realistically found on an organ as opposed to a synth. 
> Unfortunately the Ctrl Matrix permits the PEG Depth value to be 
> set only to Direct. While this clearly is not a show stopper, IMO 
it 
> defeats the point of having a scalable value to begin with! 

The AN's Modulation Matrix does rule. And I agree this is a serious 
issue with it. The Andromeda (and some other Alesis synths) have a 
feature called a tracking generator ro address this issue. It's 
essentially a line on an X-Y graph showing how values of modulation 
data from a controller like a knob (input) will be sent (output) to 
the modulated parameter. This allows you to redefine the input and 
output relationships of the modulation sources. So you can even draw 
non-linear curves or specify ranges by engaging this device. If you 
just wanted a linear relationship you would draw a 45 degree line 
ascending.

This sort of feature would do wonders for the felxiblity of Yamaha's 
Free EG's as well as the Mod Matrix.

Cheers,

Jerry

--- In AN1x-list@y..., "Jerry Aiyathurai" <tuskerfort@h...> wrote:
> issue with it. The Andromeda (and some other Alesis synths) 
have a 
> feature called a tracking generator ro address this issue. It's 
> essentially a line on an X-Y graph showing how values of 
modulation 
> data from a controller like a knob (input) will be sent (output) to 
> the modulated parameter. This allows you to redefine the input 
and 
> output relationships of the modulation sources. So you can 
even draw 
> non-linear curves or specify ranges by engaging this device. If 
you 
> just wanted a linear relationship you would draw a 45 degree 
line 
> ascending.
> 
> This sort of feature would do wonders for the felxiblity of 
Yamaha's 
> Free EG's as well as the Mod Matrix.
> 

You can achieve a similar result using AN1xEdit to program the 
FreeEG tracks. There are series of tools which can be used to 
'draw' the FreeEG Track Graph - very handy. Of course its not 
applicable to the Mod Matrix but still a very useful feature.

Jon