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Re: [AN1x] synthesizer presets versus pianos

Re: [AN1x] synthesizer presets versus pianos

2002-06-17 by Ed Edwards

> I often wished that some instrument designer would add some random
> elements to their synthesizer so that everyone's keyboards would
> sound subtly different. This is probably an utterly insane idea.

Not at all.  Yamaha took up your idea with the A3000 sampler (cs. 1997).  Check
this out from the manual:
Pitch, Random 0-63
Use this setting to impart a slight, random pitch variation to the sample's
pitch.  Set 0 to eliminate all random variation.  Increase the value to produce
a greater range of variation .  Note that this variation is applied to each note
at the start of its playback.  This setting does not affect how pitch develops
once the note has started playing.

Cool, huh?  I'd bet Roland and the others have caught on to this phunky
phunction.  I've been doing it for years (with varying success) by using the LFO
wave set as random (or sample-hold or other jargon) and lightly applying it to
pitch, volume, filtering, etc.  The results have varied from pleasing to ugly.
The AN1x can do a nice job of this if lightly applied to each oscillator with
differing times and depths.

Yamaha was trying to build a sampler for DJs and analog enthusiasts in the
A3000.  It's got some really strange stuff in the effects section.  One amazing
one is the "beat change" function which speeds or slows your loop in real time
without damaging the tone of the original sample.  Hole lotta fun!

Ed Edwards
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Re: [AN1x] synthesizer presets versus pianos

2002-06-17 by John Temprile

Sorry I know this is an AN1x group, but I have an A3000 and
yeah, the sampler is awesome - so feature packed!  I use the
AN1x as my v-analog and main controller - a match made in
heaven!!!
;)

Jt

 --- Ed Edwards <edward.edwards@...> wrote: > > I often
wished that some instrument designer would add some
> random
> > elements to their synthesizer so that everyone's keyboards
> would
> > sound subtly different. This is probably an utterly insane
> idea.
> 
> Not at all.  Yamaha took up your idea with the A3000 sampler
> (cs. 1997).  Check
> this out from the manual:
> Pitch, Random 0-63
> Use this setting to impart a slight, random pitch variation to
> the sample's
> pitch.  Set 0 to eliminate all random variation.  Increase the
> value to produce
> a greater range of variation .  Note that this variation is
> applied to each note
> at the start of its playback.  This setting does not affect
> how pitch develops
> once the note has started playing.
> 
> Cool, huh?  I'd bet Roland and the others have caught on to
> this phunky
> phunction.  I've been doing it for years (with varying
> success) by using the LFO
> wave set as random (or sample-hold or other jargon) and
> lightly applying it to
> pitch, volume, filtering, etc.  The results have varied from
> pleasing to ugly.
> The AN1x can do a nice job of this if lightly applied to each
> oscillator with
> differing times and depths.
> 
> Yamaha was trying to build a sampler for DJs and analog
> enthusiasts in the
> A3000.  It's got some really strange stuff in the effects
> section.  One amazing
> one is the "beat change" function which speeds or slows your
> loop in real time
> without damaging the tone of the original sample.  Hole lotta
> fun!
> 
> Ed Edwards
> Leader: Ezekiel's Wheel      \ufffd\ufffd\ufffd\ufffdRetro-Progressive Rock\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd
> http://www.untiedmusic.com/ezekiel
> http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/227/ezekiels_wheel.html
>
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Re: [AN1x] synthesizer presets versus pianos

2002-06-17 by terryfunken@aol.com

In a message dated 17/6/02 2:36:36 am, edward.edwards@... writes:

>Yamaha was trying to build a sampler for DJs and analog enthusiasts in
>the
>
>A3000.  It's got some really strange stuff in the effects section.  One
>amazing
>
>one is the "beat change" function which speeds or slows your loop in real
>time
>
>without damaging the tone of the original sample.  Hole lotta fun!
>
>
There was a PC program written for ....a PC...(!), which does the same thing 
as the beat chopper/slicer in the A3000. Does anyone out there know what it 
was called and where I may get a link for it?

Tom

Re: [AN1x] synthesizer presets versus pianos

2002-06-17 by Phil

Tom asked:
> There was a PC program written for ....a PC...(!), which does the same thing
> as the beat chopper/slicer in the A3000. Does anyone out there know what it
> was called and where I may get a link for it?
> 
> Tom


ReCycle ???

http://www.propellerheads.se/
http://www.propellerheads.se/products/recycle/frame.html

Phil

Re: [AN1x] synthesizer presets versus pianos

2002-06-17 by terryfunken@aol.com

In a message dated 17/6/02 10:21:30 am, accession@... writes:

>Tom asked:
>> There was a PC program written for ....a PC...(!), which does the same
>thing
>> as the beat chopper/slicer in the A3000. Does anyone out there know what
>it
>> was called and where I may get a link for it?
>> 
>> Tom
>
>
>ReCycle ???
>
NO NO NO!- NOT ReCycle!!!- ReCycle is very boring!!

Re: [AN1x] synthesizer presets versus pianos

2002-06-17 by Sayer

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>I often wished that some instrument designer would add some random 
>elements to their synthesizer so that everyone's keyboards would 
>sound subtly different. This is probably an utterly insane idea.

When true analog filters and VCOs are used thus is the case. I've often heard it stated that no two Minimoogs sound alike. 

Sayer

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Re: [AN1x] synthesizer presets versus pianos

2002-06-17 by Peter Korsten

From: "Ed Edwards" <edward.edwards@...>

> Yamaha was trying to build a sampler for DJs and analog enthusiasts in the
> A3000.  It's got some really strange stuff in the effects section.  One
amazing
> one is the "beat change" function which speeds or slows your loop in real
time
> without damaging the tone of the original sample.  Hole lotta fun!

Not to mention the 'Jump' effect, which also features on the EX5. This takes
a sample, chops it up in parts and puts those parts in a different order.

Something which is arguably a bit harder to do with an AN1x. :)

- Peter

Re: [AN1x] synthesizer presets versus pianos

2002-06-17 by jondl_2000

--- In AN1x-list@y..., terryfunken@a... wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 17/6/02 10:21:30 am, accession@o... 
writes:
> 
> >Tom asked:
> >> There was a PC program written for ....a PC...(!), which does 
the same
> >thing
> >> as the beat chopper/slicer in the A3000. Does anyone out 
there know what
> >it
> >> was called and where I may get a link for it?
> >> 
> >> Tom
> >
> >
> >ReCycle ???
> >
> NO NO NO!- NOT ReCycle!!!- ReCycle is very boring!!

Boring? I don't think so. It's all in how you use the program. I find 
ReCycle to be a terific tool - and v2 is much improved over v1.7.

I thins the other program referenced in this thread might be 
Wavesurgeon from Square Circle http://www.squarecircle.co.uk/

regards,

Jon

Re: [AN1x] synthesizer presets versus pianos

2002-06-17 by terryfunken@aol.com

In a message dated 17/6/02 2:13:54 pm, jondl_2000@... writes:

>Boring? I don't think so. It's all in how you use the program. I find 
>ReCycle to be a terific tool - and v2 is much improved over v1.7.
>
>I thins the other program referenced in this thread might be 
>Wavesurgeon from Square Circle http://www.squarecircle.co.uk/
>
Jon,

hahahaha!- I meant boring because it's pretty rudimentary....Cheers for the 
link to Wavesurgeon- but I don't think this is the program I was looking for- 
but I know a man who may show me the way......I'll report back to base later.

Tom

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