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In a message dated 5/5/02 8:50:19 pm, alciere@... writes:

>Even if you use the ring modulator correctly, it doesn't have the 
>wild distorted out of tune craziness that a standalone analog ring 
>modulator has. Probably the AN1X's is more useful, I don't know.

All ringmods seem to sound different- one of my signiture sounds was created 
using the AN ringmod- very radiophonic- especially in the lower regions. My 
favourite RM comes with both the EMS VCS3 and the Korg MS50 (same chip)- but 
unfortunately these models are silly money now (however the chip is still 
avaliable and costs a mere £2- what is this world coming to??- The ring mod 
in the Nord Modular SUCKS!!!- so sorry for being a little vague- I've just 
woken up- but I do like RM's....ho hum......!

Tom

.... one of my signiture sounds was created using the AN ringmod- 
very radiophonic- especially in the lower regions.......

Hmmh, It's funny how talking about sounds makes you feel like 
tweaking. My AN1X is not with me at the moment though. :( 

Your expression radiophonic, made me wonder what would happen if I 
put a couple of sine waves through the ring modulator, with the pitch 
of one of them being controlled by the X ribbon, or a S/H lfo.......?

Something to look forward to. :)

One of the other things I noticed... (Not disputing that the AN1X 
Ring mode is a little more clinical & precise than many analog ones) 
is that if you pass the oscillators through with the same pitch (no 
detuning), they seem to have a slightly looser pitch coming through 
the ring mod, then they do plain. So I think of it as a way to add 
that analog osc drift feeling, which I wish they had modelled better 
in the AN1X.

Drifting off topic... I reckon most of the VA's do a good job with 
monophonic and single oscillator emulations. They just don't seem to 
capture how oscillators and sounds interact... yet.

Jerry

In a message dated 6/5/02 1:08:51 pm, tuskerfort@... writes:

>Your expression radiophonic, made me wonder what would happen if I 
>put a couple of sine waves through the ring modulator, with the pitch 
>of one of them being controlled by the X ribbon, or a S/H lfo.......?
>
>Something to look forward to. :)
>
Well the beginning of the Doctor Who signiture is 2 sines. One constant 
(fixed) and the other swept through the entire range (I know this because I 
discovered it when I had an MS50- using the LP filter as the second sine 
oscillator, and because it's range is so incredible)- My brother almost beat 
me up- 'cos I tried it through his (then) brand new Marshall stack 
hahahahahaha!

Tom

In a message dated 6/5/02 1:08:51 pm, tuskerfort@... writes:

>Drifting off topic... I reckon most of the VA's do a good job with 
>monophonic and single oscillator emulations. They just don't seem to 
>capture how oscillators and sounds interact... yet.
>
Yes I agree with you there- It almost warrants buying another Moog Rogue- a 
little synth I dearly miss. I think it's got something to do with the 
stepping- with that programmed to be musical rather than being unmusical- 
which is a shame.

Tom

i'm struck, too, by the phrase "radiophonic"--would you mind posting that
patch to the yahoo site? i'd love to hear what you're doing as i'm always
looking for lo fi sounds.

and speaing of lo fi, who would like to have a go at the lead sound from dr
who--a classic that i'd love to emulate! 

cheers, 

chris

At 08:24 AM 5/6/02 EDT, you wrote:
>
>In a message dated 6/5/02 1:08:51 pm, tuskerfort@... writes:
>
>>Your expression radiophonic, made me wonder what would happen if I 
>>put a couple of sine waves through the ring modulator, with the pitch 
>>of one of them being controlled by the X ribbon, or a S/H lfo.......?
>>
>>Something to look forward to. :)
>>
>Well the beginning of the Doctor Who signiture is 2 sines. One constant 
>(fixed) and the other swept through the entire range (I know this because I 
>discovered it when I had an MS50- using the LP filter as the second sine 
>oscillator, and because it's range is so incredible)- My brother almost beat 
>me up- 'cos I tried it through his (then) brand new Marshall stack 
>hahahahahaha!
>
>Tom
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In a message dated 7/5/02 3:10:44 pm, ckeep@... writes:

>and speaing of lo fi, who would like to have a go at the lead sound from
>dr
>who--a classic that i'd love to emulate! 
>
the signiture lead sound was done with something called a 'wobbulator' 
(nothing to do with fixing cars)- It was basically a bank of 16 sine 
oscillators connected to a keyboard- fed to a revox type reel to reel for 
echo fx. They also had another lovely device called "the crystal palace"- an 
early blueprint for the 'leslie' rotating speaker cabinet?- but made of 
transparent perspex- so you could watch the inner workings (oOOOOhhh I just 
cream everytime I think of that!!!!) 

It's worth tracking down some of the early stuff made by "Silver Apples"- 
another one of Warhol's "Exploding Plastic Inevitable"-(but rather 
overshadowed by the Velvet Underground I'm afraid)-a very underated band- but 
Simeon used a similar device to the wobbulator- controlled by a typewriter 
keyboard- producing something not dissimular to the Detroit Deep House sound- 
but back in the late 60's- named aptly- "The Simeon"!

Tom

In a message dated 7/5/02 3:10:44 pm, ckeep@... writes:

>i'm struck, too, by the phrase "radiophonic"--would you mind posting that
>patch to the yahoo site? i'd love to hear what you're doing as i'm always
>looking for lo fi sounds.
>
I'ts really easy to do- much better not to post it- because by trying to find 
a similar effect- you will come up with an approximation which will be 
uniquely yours!

- well that's the perspective I look at it from anyway!- sorry- no offence.

best,

tom

Tom,


>[Dr. Who]also had another lovely device called "the crystal palace"- an 
>early blueprint for the 'leslie' rotating speaker cabinet?

Don Leslie sold his first speaker (the Model 30) on Dec. 24, 1940, so the crystal palace was more of a Leslie clone of sorts.

Regards,

-BW

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In a message dated 7/5/02 5:40:03 pm, bruce@... writes:

>Don Leslie sold his first speaker (the Model 30) on Dec. 24, 1940, so the
>crystal palace was more of a Leslie clone of sorts.
>
>
yeah yeah- Don Leslie never made his cabs out of perspex though-hehehehe!

From: "Bruce Wahler" <bruce@...>

> Don Leslie sold his first speaker (the Model 30) on Dec. 24, 1940, so the
> crystal palace was more of a Leslie clone of sorts.

Don't tell me you know these things by heart. It's scary. :)

- Peter

In a message dated 8/5/02 5:40:50 pm, peterk@... writes:

>Don't tell me you know these things by heart. It's scary. :)
>
I am an official NERD! LOL!!

Peter,

>> Don Leslie sold his first speaker (the Model 30) on Dec. 24, 1940, so the
>> crystal palace was more of a Leslie clone of sorts.
>
>Don't tell me you know these things by heart. It's scary. :)

No, but I've archived a lot of Hammond-Organ-related information on my PC, and I have a good memory for what is where!  The information actually comes from Harvey Olsen, who is one of the leading "experts" on Hammond lore, and a friend of Mr. Leslie.  He published a couple of articles on Leslie trivia, including the production date of the first Leslie Speaker.

Regards,

-BW

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bruce@...

In a message dated 8/5/02 7:22:20 pm, bruce@... writes:

>No, but I've archived a lot of Hammond-Organ-related information on my
>PC, and I have a good memory for what is where!  The information actually
>comes from Harvey Olsen, who is one of the leading "experts" on Hammond
>lore, and a friend of Mr. Leslie.  He published a couple of articles on
>Leslie trivia, including the production date of the first Leslie Speaker.
>
>
Time for some more nerd info from me....being a lover of leslie speakers (i 
haven't actually got one- my partner would have a heart attack if I would 
bring one into the house!)- Apart from all the usual Pink Floyd and Tangerine 
Dream sounds- check out "Cluster II"- I think it's still availible on CD- 
with no less than 10 leslie's all going at once at different speeds- THAT'S 
Psychedelia for you!!........now where's my dp/2......?

--- In AN1x-list@y..., Bruce Wahler <bruce@a...> wrote:
> No, but I've archived a lot of Hammond-Organ-related 
information on my PC, and I have a good memory for what is 

Bruce,

Don't you also participate, and moderate, on lists related to 
virtual organ emulations as well as the Hammond lists?

regards,

Jon

Jon,

>Don't you also participate, and moderate, on lists related to 
>virtual organ emulations as well as the Hammond lists?

Yes, I moderate a Yahoo list called "CloneWheel" that deals with Hammond and Leslie clones and simulation.  Although mostly for dedicated Hammond B-3 copy instruments like the Hammond-Suzuki XK-2 and Korg CX-3, I wrote an article -- technically, a series of them -- on getting a Hammond sound out of various synths and ROMplers called "Hammond Sounds for Alternative Tastes."  It's available at --

    http://music.ashbysolutions.com/clonewheel/simulate/alt_hamm.html

Contributions on the use of specific instruments is always welcome.

Regards,

-BW

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