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Hi!

Not to brag but I have a quite big MIDI-system. I try not use to much 
MIDI-filtering as I have a quite old MIDIpatchbay. However I've ran 
into some troubles when using my An1x. I can't seem to turn of it's 
habit of sending program change (and occasionally control change).

So when I switch program on the An1x so do another six synths. Is 
there a way to switch it off?

  / Mattias

--- In AN1x-list@y..., mattias.karlsson@s... wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> Not to brag but I have a quite big MIDI-system. I try not use to much 
> MIDI-filtering as I have a quite old MIDIpatchbay. However I've ran 
> into some troubles when using my An1x. I can't seem to turn of it's 
> habit of sending program change (and occasionally control change).
> 
> So when I switch program on the An1x so do another six synths. Is 
> there a way to switch it off?
> 

There's no method to disable Program Change commands on the AN1x. 
you'll need to filter the messages either at your MIDI Patch Bay or on 
the remote modules/synths.

However, you can disbale MIDI Change Control's from being trasmitted. 
Go to the UTITLITY/SETUP menu and use the [Ctrl Device] to select which 
real time controller you wish to disable and use [Ctrl No] to select 
'0: off' as the value.

The problem with this solution should be obvious: What to do when you 
WANT to send MIDI CC's from the AN1x? A possible solution is to use the 
[BulkDump] command and select the 'system' options to dump only those 
settings to a generic MIDI SysEx librarian which can then be reloaded 
as necessary. This also allows for storing multiple Assign Knob 
configurations as seperate SysEx dumps which allows you to work around 
the limitation of only one set of Assign Knob settings available at any 
one time.

Personally, I don't care for this solution - too labor intensive to 
keep organized. I've taken to leaving the AN1x default values in place 
and creating customized Environment Layers within Logic Audio to 
perform MIDI CC routing and/or filtering. I recommend you pursue a 
similar option or resort to filtering at your MIDI Patch Bay.

regards,

Jon

Do the 6 other synths need to be listening for Program Changes on the same
channel as the AN1x is sending?
Stated differently: Is the AN1x being used as the master controller?

If the answer is no to either question, then you'll just need to get the
synths on different channels.  If the answer is yes to either question, then
you'll probably have to filter the data.

I may be wrong about these being the only solutions, but my band has a bit
of experience with the limitations of MIDI - we use 2 DMC MX-8 MIDI
patchbays, each has 6 inputs and 8 outputs.  We need 2 of them to accomplish
synth routing live... not that there's a huge number of synths (6 sound
engines, 7 controllers, never all used at once... only 4 guys in the band).
The limitations of MIDI become evident when you try to break out of the
"daisy-chain" concept that it was developed for.

Here's a graphic our bassist made that details our setup (in 1999).  It
looks a bit insane because it is.
http://www.untiedmusic.com/ezekiel/hi-res/ewmidi.html

When I think over the keyboards I've ever owned, I can't remember if any of
them had the ability to turn off the Program Change send.  You may be asking
too much from those overworked synth designers.

Ed Edwards
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----- Original Message -----

From: <mattias.karlsson@...>
To: <AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 8:46 AM
Subject: [AN1x-list] Program change - no thanx?


> Hi!
>
> Not to brag but I have a quite big MIDI-system. I try not use to much
> MIDI-filtering as I have a quite old MIDIpatchbay. However I've ran
> into some troubles when using my An1x. I can't seem to turn of it's
> habit of sending program change (and occasionally control change).
>
> So when I switch program on the An1x so do another six synths. Is
> there a way to switch it off?
>
>   / Mattias
>
>
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