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GG,

Ok thanks that clarifies most of my issues.

The VCA thang must have just been my hearing at the time :)

With regards stereo output of the card, Im then wondering what is the actual
difference between the left and the right output, since none of the PLG150AN
parameters seems to affect the stereo panorama of the sound (eg there are no
chorus or panning affects etc ), and the card itself doesnt seem to respond
to CC10.

And if we conclude that the output from both left and right are always the
same, then in effect, this is just 2 copies of the same mono signal isnt it
?

Could you have a look at the SYSEX implementation chart of the PLG150AN
(page 70 in my multilingual  manual) as it states that controllers 1, 5,7,10
and 11 are implemented but with a footnote saying "receive if switch is on".

What switch ?

Is this a reference to the host device (assuming it is an SW1000XG) and if
so, then how come controller 1 (modulation) behaves differently as it seems
to always respond whereas the others dont ?

Would I be correct in stating that only the modulation CC is actually
implemented on the card itself and the others rely on the host ?


----- Original Message -----

From: Gary Gregson <gary@...>
To: <AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 10:37 PM
Subject: RE: [AN1x-list] GG - PLG150AN on KENTON - CC7 and other things


> Hi Paul
>
> I am not sure why VCA volume should affect the timbre of the voice?
> However you are correct that the matrix must be programmed on a per
> voice basis.
>
> The output of the card is actually a stereo signal, but for your
> purposes I think you can treat it as mono.
>
> The VCO tuning parameters are exclusively wired for control by Pitch
> bend and key tracking I'm afraid, so you can't do what you desire with
> the chorus controller

>
> Regards
>
> Gary Gregson
>
> Email:gary@...
> http://www.yme.co.uk/yme
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Murphy [mailto:merfman@...]
> Sent: 13 October 2001 09:15
> To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AN1x-list] GG - PLG150AN on KENTON - CC7 and other things
>
> GG,
>
> Your hint on using the controller mapping feature of the PLG150AN to map
> CC7
> to VCA Volume is not bad, and I will use it pending a better solution.
> It
> has a couple of minor drawbacks 1) Sometimes VCA level affects timbre as
> well as level and 2) You have to re-send the sysex after every program
> change, or program it as part of every patch.
>
> I tried cutting and pasting the SYSEX into a mixer map control for
> convenience, but it didnt work.  My solution now has been to map CC7 to
> my
> PULSAR2's big mixer controlling the mixer 's faders on the PLG150AN's
> channels.
>
> This works, and Im assuming the output from the PLG150AN is really mono
> so
> cant be panned either.  In this case I will only take the left feed and
> teach my PULSAR to pan the mixer channel using CC10.
>
> Another thing I tried was mapping the chorus CC to the PLG150AN's CVO
> fine
> tuning, but for some reason, that mapping is disabled by the matrix -
> any
> thoughts as to why ?
>
> Paul
>
>
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Hi Paul,

>>
And if we conclude that the output from both left and right are always
the
same, then in effect, this is just 2 copies of the same mono signal isnt
it
?<<

Correct! I simply meant to state that all PLG cards provide a stereo
output, signal. Whether there is any stereo field content within this
signal depends on the actual card (The PLG150PF for example does have
stereo sounds). However in the case of the PLG150AN, the signal is
essential two identical mono channels.

>>
Could you have a look at the SYSEX implementation chart of the PLG150AN
(page 70 in my multilingual  manual) as it states that controllers 1,
5,7,10
and 11 are implemented but with a footnote saying "receive if switch is
on".
What switch ?
<<

This is misleading. The table is actually referring to the receive
switch on the host device (i.e XG devices have enable switches for most
standard MIDI controllers e.g. vol, pan, etc. If you take a look at
XGedit you will see these switches as a row of LEDs immediately below
the PART module)

The table that really tells you what is going on is: table <1-3> MIDI
Parameter Change Multi Part (or at least that's what it's called in the
English manual)

In this table, you can clearly see which parameters are handled by the
host and which are handled by the PLG (the host ones are marked with two
stars **).

>>
then how come controller 1 (modulation) behaves differently as it seems
to always respond whereas the others dont ?
<<

Again look at table <1-3> Modulation wheel control of Pitch, Filter, LFO
PMOD, LFO AMOD, and LFO FMOD are managed directly by the PLG. Although
(rather strangely) Mod wheel control of amplitude is handled by the
host???

>>
Would I be correct in stating that only the modulation CC is actually
implemented on the card itself and the others rely on the host ?
<<

Actually no...There are quite a lot of controllers handled directly by
the PLG that have default implementations. If you take the parameters
identified by table <1-3> and look up their corresponding
Controller/RNP/NRPN, you will find that that these values work.

To save you the effort.... we have the PLG responding to the following:

Standard Controllers:

Bank Select MSB	Bn,00,xx 	
Bank Select LSB	Bn,20,xx	
Modulation		Bn,01,xx	
Portamento Time	Bn,05,xx	
Sustain		Bn,40,xx	
Portamento		Bn,41,xx	
Filter Resonance	Bn,47,xx	
AmpEG Release	Bn,48,xx	
AmpEG Attack	Bn,49,xx	
Filter Cutoff	Bn,4A,xx		
Portamento SW	Bn,54,xx

Plus of course the PLG has a programmable response to any controller 1 -
95 so long as you configure it via the individual voice Scene Matrix.

Then we have a host of NRPN messages:

Vibrato Rate	Bn,63,01,Bn,62,08,Bn,06,xx
Vibrato Depth	Bn,63,01,Bn,62,09,Bn,06,xx
Vibrato Delay	Bn,63,01,Bn,62,0A,Bn,06,xx
Filter EG Depth   Bn,63,01,Bn,62,22,Bn,06,xx
HPF Cutoff 		Bn,63,01,Bn,62,24,Bn,06,xx
EQ Bass Gain 	Bn,63,01,Bn,62,30,Bn,06,xx
EQ Treble Gain 	Bn,63,01,Bn,62,31,Bn,06,xx
EQ Bass Frequency Bn,63,01,Bn,62,34,Bn,06,xx
EQ Bass Gain 	Bn,63,01,Bn,62,35,Bn,06,xx
AmpEG Decay		Bn,63,01,Bn,62,64,Bn,06,xx

And finally some RPN messages:

Pitch Bend Sens	Bn,65,00,Bn,64,00,Bn,06,xx
Fine Tuning		Bn,65,00,Bn,64,01,Bn,06,xx,26,xx
Coarse Tuning	Bn,65,00,Bn,64,02,Bn,06,xx

Basically there really is no reason you should need to use sysex to edit
the PLG150AN in real-time i.e. performance dynamic usage. With a little
planning, careful setup of the voice matrix, and a device that can send
controllers....you should be able to do everything you need!  

Regards

Gary Gregson

Email:gary@...
http://www.yme.co.uk/yme 

-----Original Message-----

From: Paul Murphy [mailto:merfman@...] 
Sent: 14 October 2001 00:33
To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [AN1x-list] GG - PLG150AN stereo and SYSEX imp chart?