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I made sure I got divorced before getting into synths :-) Actually, 
no, hang on, it all happened around the same time....

Marital strife aside....

I have a problem with AN1x edit. The synth and the editor only 
understand each other one way, namely from the editor to the synth. I 
can open the programme, load up files from it to the synth, tweak 
them using the virtual buttons, all very fine and dandy (it is a VERY 
good programme, after all). What I can't do is send a voice from the 
synth to the editor. An error message appears, saying "Transfer 
error" I think it is. I've looked at the dump button in the matrix 
and seem to be doing the right thing (like selecting Voice when I 
just want to send the current voice), but no joy. Has anyone else had 
this problem, and did they fix it, or do I need to get Jimmy Saville 
in? (apologies to non-UK folk)

Thanks,
Martin
(and weren't Yamaha thoughtful by placing that ridge on the right to 
hold your ashtray...)

Hello,
I don't  know in what MIDI configuration u are but if u have 
a patchbay in the middle be sure u have MIDI Ins and OUTS sort 
it out properly , this is common prob most of the time 

when u send to PC to AN1X , PC MIDI out to AN1X MIDI IN 
when u want to send from AN1 to PC , AN1 midi out to PC MIDI IN 

sometimes in the midi pathbay there is only scenario num 1  

Regards

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----- Original Message ----- 

From: <ginger@...>
To: <AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 1:18 PM
Subject: [AN1x-list] AN1x edit: synth to programme problems


> 
> 
> I made sure I got divorced before getting into synths :-) Actually,
> no, hang on, it all happened around the same time....
> 
> Marital strife aside....
> 
> I have a problem with AN1x edit. The synth and the editor only
> understand each other one way, namely from the editor to the synth. I
> can open the programme, load up files from it to the synth, tweak
> them using the virtual buttons, all very fine and dandy (it is a VERY
> good programme, after all). What I can't do is send a voice from the
> synth to the editor. An error message appears, saying "Transfer
> error" I think it is. I've looked at the dump button in the matrix
> and seem to be doing the right thing (like selecting Voice when I
> just want to send the current voice), but no joy. Has anyone else had
> this problem, and did they fix it, or do I need to get Jimmy Saville
> in? (apologies to non-UK folk)
> 
> Thanks,
> Martin
> (and weren't Yamaha thoughtful by placing that ridge on the right to
> hold your ashtray...)
> 
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>

> I don't  know in what MIDI configuration u are but if u have 
> a patchbay in the middle be sure u have MIDI Ins and OUTS sort 
> it out properly , this is common prob most of the time 
> 
> when u send to PC to AN1X , PC MIDI out to AN1X MIDI IN 
> when u want to send from AN1 to PC , AN1 midi out to PC MIDI IN

I have the synth linked both ways to my Midiman card, so that's not 
the problem.

Cheers anyway,
Martin

--- In AN1x-list@y..., ginger@i... wrote:
> > I don't  know in what MIDI configuration u are but if u have 
> > a patchbay in the middle be sure u have MIDI Ins and OUTS sort 
> > it out properly , this is common prob most of the time 
> > 
> > when u send to PC to AN1X , PC MIDI out to AN1X MIDI IN 
> > when u want to send from AN1 to PC , AN1 midi out to PC MIDI IN
> 
> I have the synth linked both ways to my Midiman card, so that's not 
> the problem.
>

Then maybe you could try to set your device number 
to "all"(utility/setup,sixth knob). That's how the sysex messages now 
where they go to.. I had the same kind of pbm, and you can fix it 
that way i suppose, or set both id's in An1xedit and the sytnh to 
match each other.
 
> Cheers anyway,
> Martin

hope.
J.

Le 17/08/2001 jlevat@... \ufffdcrivit :

> Then maybe you could try to set your device number
> to "all"(utility/setup,sixth knob). That's how the sysex messages now
> where they go to.. I had the same kind of pbm, and you can fix it
> that way i suppose, or set both id's in An1xedit and the sytnh to
> match each other.

I've got the same problem my an1xedit (on my mac) never receive anything
from my synth : my device number is set to "all" and I made the hints in
the yahoo page. It never worked (I tried with a Midiman serial on a 5400
and with a Midiman USB on a iMac).
-- 
Eric D\ufffdtrez
Math PC* Lyc\ufffde Faidherbe Lille

Television is something the Russians invented to destroy American
education.  (P. Erd\ufffds)

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--- In AN1x-list@y..., Eric Detrez <ericdetrez@f...> wrote:
> Le 17/08/2001 jlevat@y... écrivit :
> 
> > Then maybe you could try to set your device number
> > to "all"(utility/setup,sixth knob). That's how the sysex messages 
now
> > where they go to.. I had the same kind of pbm, and you can fix it
> > that way i suppose, or set both id's in An1xedit and the sytnh to
> > match each other.
> 
> I've got the same problem my an1xedit (on my mac) never receive 
anything
> from my synth : my device number is set to "all" and I made the 
hints in
> the yahoo page. It never worked (I tried with a Midiman serial on a 
5400
> and with a Midiman USB on a iMac).
> -- 
> Eric Détrez
> Math PC* Lycée Faidherbe Lille

Eric,
This a known 'problem' with the Mac version of AN1xEdit and OMS. 
Apparently AN1xEdit and OMS can lose communication. Here's the step 
by step fix that works for me with my serial (modem port) MIDI 
Interface on a G3 desktop PowerMac:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AN1x-list/files/Tips%20and%
20Tricks/tt_an1xedit_not_receive.htm

(beware the wrap around text in the URL - you might want to cut and 
paste the link into your browsers address line)

I've never been able to use a USB MIDI Interface to receive sysex in 
AN1xEdit (using either the MIDIMAN or Opcode USB 2x2 interfaces.) 
Transmitting voices from AN1xEdit works reliably. For that matter, 
SysEx over USB in general has been dodgy on my Mac using just about 
any and all Apple drivers (currently running OS 9.1.) I've heard that 
the Emagic MT4 firmware has a larger buffer for data reception than 
that of the MIDIMAN or Opcode models and it does not suffer this 
problem. I've not tried the MT4 1st hand - I picked this info up on 
the Logic users list from a post by one of the Emagic programmers. If 
memory serves, Joop - another iMac and AN1x user, was successfully 
using either an AMT8 or Unitor MkII w/ AN1xEdit - don't recall which.

You might want to search the list archives as we've discussed this 
very topic early and often ;-)

regards,

Jon

it took me a while to figure out myself.  i think what you need to do is 
first save the voice on your synth (i think this is necessary but nor sure 
on that), then do a bulk dump for that voice, then on an1xedit, clikc on the 
bulk "request" button.  you won't see any changes on the scene control until 
you have re-double click on the voice being edited.  lemme know if this 
works

>From: ginger@...
>Reply-To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
>To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [AN1x-list] AN1x edit: synth to programme problems
>Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 11:18:21 -0000
>
>I made sure I got divorced before getting into synths :-) Actually,
>no, hang on, it all happened around the same time....
>
>Marital strife aside....
>
>I have a problem with AN1x edit. The synth and the editor only
>understand each other one way, namely from the editor to the synth. I
>can open the programme, load up files from it to the synth, tweak
>them using the virtual buttons, all very fine and dandy (it is a VERY
>good programme, after all). What I can't do is send a voice from the
>synth to the editor. An error message appears, saying "Transfer
>error" I think it is. I've looked at the dump button in the matrix
>and seem to be doing the right thing (like selecting Voice when I
>just want to send the current voice), but no joy. Has anyone else had
>this problem, and did they fix it, or do I need to get Jimmy Saville
>in? (apologies to non-UK folk)
>
>Thanks,
>Martin
>(and weren't Yamaha thoughtful by placing that ridge on the right to
>hold your ashtray...)
>


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>--- In AN1x-list@y..., Eric Detrez <ericdetrez@f...> wrote:

>Eric,
>This a known 'problem' with the Mac version of AN1xEdit and OMS.
>Apparently AN1xEdit and OMS can lose communication. Here's the step
>by step fix that works for me with my serial (modem port) MIDI
>Interface on a G3 desktop PowerMac:
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AN1x-list/files/Tips%20and%
>20Tricks/tt_an1xedit_not_receive.htm
>
>(beware the wrap around text in the URL - you might want to cut and
>paste the link into your browsers address line)
>
>I've never been able to use a USB MIDI Interface to receive sysex in
>AN1xEdit (using either the MIDIMAN or Opcode USB 2x2 interfaces.)
>Transmitting voices from AN1xEdit works reliably. For that matter,
>SysEx over USB in general has been dodgy on my Mac using just about
>any and all Apple drivers (currently running OS 9.1.) I've heard that
>the Emagic MT4 firmware has a larger buffer for data reception than
>that of the MIDIMAN or Opcode models and it does not suffer this
>problem. I've not tried the MT4 1st hand - I picked this info up on
>the Logic users list from a post by one of the Emagic programmers. If
>memory serves, Joop - another iMac and AN1x user, was successfully
>using either an AMT8 or Unitor MkII w/ AN1xEdit - don't recall which.
>
>You might want to search the list archives as we've discussed this
>very topic early and often ;-)
>
>regards,
>
>Jon
>

Hi Jon ,
When I replaced de MIDIMAN USB Midisport2x2  for a Emagic AMT8 al
the problems were gone, and at this moment I use it with a Mac G4 MP OS 9.04,
SoundDiver and a lot of stuff,no single problem.
 -Joop-

All,

>Hi Jon ,
>When I replaced de MIDIMAN USB Midisport2x2  for a Emagic AMT8 al
>the problems were gone, and at this moment I use it with a Mac G4 MP OS 9.04,
>SoundDiver and a lot of stuff,no single problem.
>-Joop-

A shame about the MIDIsport on the Mac.  On the PC side of things, the 
MIDIMan gear is very stable; in fact I've found my MIDIsport 8x8 USB to be 
more stable than the (parallel port) MIDI Quest Note1 that I used for 
several years, and at least as stable as the joystick interface on most 
sound cards.

USB was supposed to be the great MAC-PC unifier, but it just doesn't seem 
to be happening.  Almost all the MIDI manufacturers seem to have great 
expertise in one side, much less in the other.  When I was shopping for a 
USB 8x8, the candidates boiled down to MIDIMan and MOTU, since Opcode's 
site clearly states that they don't support Win98SE or Win2K (!).

I checked the website, and the MOTU Windows USB drivers were listed as 
"coming soon".  I called MOTU support, and didn't get a good feeling about 
the situation, so I held off a bit.  After a second call, went with 
MIDIMan.  Good thing, too:  The WDM drivers were finally released on 
8/14/2001 -- a little more than a year after I bought my MIDIsport, and 
almost 16 months after I called MOTU!

So much for the "universal interface" ...

Regards,

-BW

--
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Design Consultant
Ashby Solutions™
www.ashbysolutions.com
CloneWheel Support Group moderator
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--- In AN1x-list@y..., Bruce Wahler <bruce@a...> wrote:
> All,
> 
> >Hi Jon ,
> >When I replaced de MIDIMAN USB Midisport2x2  for a Emagic AMT8 al
> >the problems were gone, and at this moment I use it with a Mac G4 MP OS 9.04,
> >SoundDiver and a lot of stuff,no single problem.
> >-Joop-
> 
> A shame about the MIDIsport on the Mac.  On the PC side of things, the 
> MIDIMan gear is very stable; in fact I've found my MIDIsport 8x8 USB to be 
> more stable than the (parallel port) MIDI Quest Note1 that I used for 
> several years, and at least as stable as the joystick interface on most 
> sound cards.

I'm curious to see how the OS X drivers from MIDIMAN unfold this year. 
AFAIK, Emagic appears to be well positioned to get OS X support out the 
door this autumn. I'm feeling really good about my crossgrade from 
Opcode to Emagic sw right about now. I'm excited about Logic v5 and 
make use of the oppotunity to switch MIDI Interfaces once and for all 
too. I *want* a new Mac but don't really *need* one so it waits until 
next year...;-)

> 
> USB was supposed to be the great MAC-PC unifier, but it just doesn't seem 
> to be happening.  Almost all the MIDI manufacturers seem to have great 
> expertise in one side, much less in the other.  When I was shopping for a 
> USB 8x8, the candidates boiled down to MIDIMan and MOTU, since Opcode's 
> site clearly states that they don't support Win98SE or Win2K (!).

Yeah, I agree in regards to USB on MIDI peripherals. Again, I'm real 
comfortable using Emagic kit right now and I'm reasonably confident in 
their ability to acknowledge problems and make a fix available in a 
reasonable time frame. The MT4 and EMI 2|6 seem to be picking up steam 
on both platforms. I'm not trying slag any of the other 
manufacturers...just express my confidence in the Emagic thing.

Once Opcode sold out to Gibson it was all over...Opcode's Mac hardware 
and software was GREAT in their heyday. They had a few tricks up their 
sleeve for ease of use that Emagic would do well to learn from. I still 
harbor an unreasonable bias against MOTU from the old Opcode vs. MOTU 
battles in the early-90's. Ridiculous, isn't that? I should grow up and 
get over it...


> 
> I checked the website, and the MOTU Windows USB drivers were listed as 
> "coming soon".  I called MOTU support, and didn't get a good feeling about 
> the situation, so I held off a bit.  After a second call, went with 
> MIDIMan.  Good thing, too:  The WDM drivers were finally released on 
> 8/14/2001 -- a little more than a year after I bought my MIDIsport, and 
> almost 16 months after I called MOTU!
> 
> So much for the "universal interface" ...

On the plus side, I've been able to swap a generic USB adapter card 
between Mac and Win machines and a pair of Lexmark printers too! For 
common place peripherals USB seems to be delivering - it's the MIDI 
peripherals that seem to take more effort in regards to the drivers :-(
> 
> Regards,
> 
> -BW

regards,

Jon

Jon,

>On the plus side, I've been able to swap a generic USB adapter card
>between Mac and Win machines and a pair of Lexmark printers too! For
>common place peripherals USB seems to be delivering - it's the MIDI
>peripherals that seem to take more effort in regards to the drivers :-(

Absolutely true.  PCI video cards have also done well bridging the 
gap.  What kind of frosts me is that all of the music hardware companies -- 
Opcode, MOTU, MIDIMan, etc. -- advertise "PC requirements/Mac requirements" 
in their USB interface literature, when they don't really have the 
technical chops to deliver well on more than one of the options.  I don't 
think a USB MIDI driver is any harder than, say, a USB scanner 
driver.  Scanner companies, though, seem to plan for the necessary effort, 
while music manufacturers seem to say, "Hey, we've already got the Mac (or 
PC) driver.  How hard can it be to port it to the other side?"

USB makes interfacing easier, but it doesn't make life a breeze.  While a 
Mac USB driver and a PC USB driver look just about the same at a high level 
view, they both have their idiosyncrasies and limitations.  As a musician, 
I recognize that my experience with pop, rock, and R&B music would make it 
possible to transition to another genre, but I don't expect to become a 
jazz, classical, or techno musician overnight.  Why should software 
development be any different?

Regards,

-BW

--
Bruce Wahler
Design Consultant
Ashby Solutions™
www.ashbysolutions.com
CloneWheel Support Group moderator
978.386.7389  voice
978.964.0547 fax
bruce@...