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I've tried to use the AN200 in a store. I spent half an hour twisting 
knobs, changing the settings of the internal presets and tryng the 
MULTISAW algorythm. I must admit the AN200 sounds good, but I 
realized that it can't be compared with my AN1x.
I produce Dance music and I like very much to use fat leads im my 
music so I use also a JP8000, that you can recognize in a lot of 
actuals italian productions. 
I was thinking to swap this one or the AN1x for the new AN200 but I 
realized it is just an "all in one" box.
I don't want to say it isn't good for people who is looking exactly 
that ... but the limited polyphony when I tryed the UNISON mode or 
the MULTISAW mode (that work only in MONO mode), the lack of the 
possibility to operate directly on all the parameters (maybe except 
using the editor) made me thinking to give up the idea! 
Also, after several months I hold my keyboards, I tried and I made 
with my AN1x some really 100% imitations of JP8000 typical leads just 
working with the algorithms of one voice, without NO effects (like 
chorus) and this sound better and fatter than JP!!!
It's really fantastic! I was thinking I could not separate from the 
JP8000 leads and now I found this one sounding like a "pile of glass" 
compared with the AN1x!
So at the last I suggest, if you already got a An1x, to hold on with 
this one to the infinity, because it can surprise you every time you 
ask it something.
Bye!
Andrea

Hi Andrea,

> the MULTISAW mode (that work only in MONO mode), the lack of the
> possibility to operate directly on all the parameters (maybe except
> using the editor) made me thinking to give up the idea!

The multisaw mode is available in other modes also, but yes there was some
limitation which I cannot recall at the moment. And yes, I agree with you
AN200 is very good instrument, but the lack of possibility to operate all
the parameters directly is little bit annoying. I think that you should
stick with your An1x, An200 is not replacement for it, but An200  is vey
nice synth too. If there would have been possibility to buy An1x instead of
An200, I would had bought An1x... but you don't see them too often on second
hand market these days. The one big positive thing with An200 compared to
it's bigger brother is that An200 is much easier to carry with you. ;-D

Cheers,
TimoS

----- Original Message -----

From: <carissimi@...>
To: <AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: 5. hein\ufffdkuuta 2001 10:23
Subject: [AN1x-list] About AN200


> I've tried to use the AN200 in a store. I spent half an hour twisting
> knobs, changing the settings of the internal presets and tryng the
> MULTISAW algorythm. I must admit the AN200 sounds good, but I
> realized that it can't be compared with my AN1x.
> I produce Dance music and I like very much to use fat leads im my
> music so I use also a JP8000, that you can recognize in a lot of
> actuals italian productions.
> I was thinking to swap this one or the AN1x for the new AN200 but I
> realized it is just an "all in one" box.
> I don't want to say it isn't good for people who is looking exactly
> that ... but the limited polyphony when I tryed the UNISON mode or
> the MULTISAW mode (that work only in MONO mode), the lack of the
> possibility to operate directly on all the parameters (maybe except
> using the editor) made me thinking to give up the idea!
> Also, after several months I hold my keyboards, I tried and I made
> with my AN1x some really 100% imitations of JP8000 typical leads just
> working with the algorithms of one voice, without NO effects (like
> chorus) and this sound better and fatter than JP!!!
> It's really fantastic! I was thinking I could not separate from the
> JP8000 leads and now I found this one sounding like a "pile of glass"
> compared with the AN1x!
> So at the last I suggest, if you already got a An1x, to hold on with
> this one to the infinity, because it can surprise you every time you
> ask it something.
> Bye!
> Andrea
>
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From: "Timo Sandholm" <timo.sandholm@...>

> The one big positive thing with An200 compared to
> it's bigger brother is that An200 is much easier to carry with you. ;-D

You've never carried an EX5, right? :)

I've carried my AN1x from and to a 'sneltram' station, some 15 minutes
unencumbered. It's not really fun, let me assure you - but it all fades when
you try to just lift an EX5, for instance when you fit some options.

A friend of mine once carried his K2600X up the stairs. It took him five
minutes.

- Peter

At 07:23 05-07-01 +0000, you wrote:
>Also, after several months I hold my keyboards, I tried and I made
>with my AN1x some really 100% imitations of JP8000 typical leads just
>working with the algorithms of one voice, without NO effects (like
>chorus) and this sound better and fatter than JP!!!

Care to share some of those sounds?

Regards,
Hero Idema

btw. Any updates yet of someone reading the firmware eprom and putting it 
online somewhere?

Anyone know how to set reverb and delay SEND amounts in a patch? I
have these as two assignables all the time but whenever I alter them
and save the scene and then the patch, when I reload the patch the
send levels are much higher than I programmed. 
In the programming matrix I can set RETURN levels but not send. What
silly little thing am I missing?

Cheers,

Paul

---
Paul Nagle / Soft Room Music
Email: paul@...
Web:   www.softroom.org

Hi Paul,

All of the An1x effects are inline inserts (although the Delay and
Reverb can be switched to operate either in parallel of series). Hence
there is no SEND level....since the entire signal actually goes through
the effect unit! As such the RETURN parameter should really be called
DRY/WET; since it really controls the proportion of dry (unaffected)
versus effected signal being returned.

In addition you can choose to bypass each effect (FX BYAPASS). You
should note that this is a 'system' parameter so cannot be saved with
each patch (it is intended as a quick switch, so you can disable effects
whilst experimenting with raw voice parameters).

You should be careful when using the MATRIX to control parameters. The
matrix is designed for applying real-time performance control to a
patch....it is not for setting the default parameters of a patch! As
such, the matrix merely maps external controllers to internal
parameters. The resultant controller values are added (or multiplied) to
the current patch programmed values (i.e. they are applied as offsets).
When you save a patch, only the programmed value is saved....not the
value plus controller offset!

Hence if you have set up a RETURN level and then use the Matrix to apply
a controller offset to the RETURN value, you will hear the set value
plus the offset. However if you store the patch, you will only store the
set value. Consequently on reload the patch will re-use the set value
(without the offset).

Regards

Gary Gregson

Email:gary@...
http://www.yme.co.uk/yme 

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Nagle [mailto:paul@...] 
Sent: 06 July 2001 19:17
To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [AN1x-list] Reverb/Delay send

Anyone know how to set reverb and delay SEND amounts in a patch? I
have these as two assignables all the time but whenever I alter them
and save the scene and then the patch, when I reload the patch the
send levels are much higher than I programmed. 
In the programming matrix I can set RETURN levels but not send. What
silly little thing am I missing?

Cheers,

Paul

Sorry, i am not Paul!

Regards
Franz-Willi
----- Original Message -----

From: "Gary Gregson" <gary@...>
To: <AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 10:16 PM
Subject: RE: [AN1x-list] Reverb/Delay send


> Hi Paul,
>
> All of the An1x effects are inline inserts (although the Delay and
> Reverb can be switched to operate either in parallel of series). Hence
> there is no SEND level....since the entire signal actually goes through
> the effect unit! As such the RETURN parameter should really be called
> DRY/WET; since it really controls the proportion of dry (unaffected)
> versus effected signal being returned.
>
> In addition you can choose to bypass each effect (FX BYAPASS). You
> should note that this is a 'system' parameter so cannot be saved with
> each patch (it is intended as a quick switch, so you can disable effects
> whilst experimenting with raw voice parameters).
>
> You should be careful when using the MATRIX to control parameters. The
> matrix is designed for applying real-time performance control to a
> patch....it is not for setting the default parameters of a patch! As
> such, the matrix merely maps external controllers to internal
> parameters. The resultant controller values are added (or multiplied) to
> the current patch programmed values (i.e. they are applied as offsets).
> When you save a patch, only the programmed value is saved....not the
> value plus controller offset!
>
> Hence if you have set up a RETURN level and then use the Matrix to apply
> a controller offset to the RETURN value, you will hear the set value
> plus the offset. However if you store the patch, you will only store the
> set value. Consequently on reload the patch will re-use the set value
> (without the offset).
>
> Regards
>
> Gary Gregson
>
> Email:gary@...
> http://www.yme.co.uk/yme
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Nagle [mailto:paul@...]
> Sent: 06 July 2001 19:17
> To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [AN1x-list] Reverb/Delay send
>
> Anyone know how to set reverb and delay SEND amounts in a patch? I
> have these as two assignables all the time but whenever I alter them
> and save the scene and then the patch, when I reload the patch the
> send levels are much higher than I programmed.
> In the programming matrix I can set RETURN levels but not send. What
> silly little thing am I missing?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Paul
>
>
>
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On Fri, 6 Jul 2001 21:16:31 +0100, "Gary Gregson" <gary@...>
wrote:

>Hi Paul,
>
>All of the An1x effects are inline inserts (although the Delay and
>Reverb can be switched to operate either in parallel of series). Hence
>there is no SEND level....since the entire signal actually goes through

Aha, that makes sense. I was confused because when I set up my
assignable knobs for general use, two actually say reverb and delay
send.

>You should be careful when using the MATRIX to control parameters. The
>matrix is designed for applying real-time performance control to a
>patch....it is not for setting the default parameters of a patch! As
>such, the matrix merely maps external controllers to internal

Yeah, I sorta understand that. I have just one set of values for my
assignable knobs and keep them the same for all patches. It's handy to
have the same 8 functions without programming them each time I make a
patch. For ages I thought mine had a fault because the previous owner
had programmed Ribbon Z to be CutoffEnv amount and I was baffled that
this happened even with an Init patch. So that taught me a thing or
two <g>

>Hence if you have set up a RETURN level and then use the Matrix to apply
>a controller offset to the RETURN value, you will hear the set value
>plus the offset. However if you store the patch, you will only store the
>set value. Consequently on reload the patch will re-use the set value
>(without the offset).

I see, thanks that helps. I thought that I was saving the offsets when
I saved the scenes. 

Still, I think I'm sussed now so cheers.

Paul
---
Paul Nagle / Soft Room Music
Email: paul@...
Web:   www.softroom.org

On Fri, 6 Jul 2001 22:43:46 +0200, Franz-Willi R\ufffdbsteck
<franz-ruebsteck@...> wrote:

>Sorry, i am not Paul!

Don't be sorry. We can't all be Paul.

Paul
---
Paul Nagle / Soft Room Music
Email: paul@...
Web:   www.softroom.org

> A friend of mine once carried his K2600X up the stairs. It took him 
five
> minutes.


Poor guys, I know what you are talking about.
I own an ASR 88 to be transported in a caseI do cry as well.Anyway, 
even if a AN200 might be easier to be transported, you still need a 
keyboard to play sounds. Yamahas keys are of a very good quality, 
already the DX7 was well equiped. A friend of mine still prefers that 
one.
I got my AN1X as a 2nd Hand deal for round about 300$.(quite good 
deal, isn´t it?)
It is my master Keyboard at my home studio. Together with a midi 
mapper I can handle all that software stuff. So, the knobs and the 
keys should it always be worth to be carried arround, at best in a 
case.
Uwelino

From: <uwelino@...>

> I got my AN1X as a 2nd Hand deal for round about 300$.(quite good
> deal, isn\ufffdt it?)

Quite, I hear they're much sought after.

> It is my master Keyboard at my home studio. Together with a midi
> mapper I can handle all that software stuff. So, the knobs and the
> keys should it always be worth to be carried arround, at best in a
> case.

The EX5 is my main (well, actually, 'the other') keyboard. Quality wise, the
keyboard is superior to the AN1x, but lugging it around is something you
don't want to do, unless you own a car like, say, a Renault Sc\ufffdnic.

:)

Not that I'll carry it around, though.

- Peter