The Yamaha AN1x Synthesizer mailing list group photo

Yahoo Groups archive

The Yamaha AN1x Synthesizer mailing list

Index last updated: 2026-04-28 22:40 UTC

Thread

SV: SV: [AN1x-list] Violin Sound

SV: SV: [AN1x-list] Violin Sound

2001-06-02 by J Acker

Cool! Thanks very much for the reply. It all helps.

One thing...and this is embarrasing to ask, but when you say vibrato...I think there are more than one paramter that can produce vibrato, am I right?

Which is the most common, or can you give any examples of different ways to acheive controllable vibrato (i.e. where one can make it deeper, or vary more, etc.)

Jim

                          James R. Acker
     jacker@... listen to my music at.....
==============================================================
My current songs can be now heard at my site: http://home.sol.no/~jacker/

----- Original Message ----- 
Fra: Bruce Wahler <bruce@...>
Til: <AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com>
Sendt: 2. juni 2001 01:46
Emne: Re: SV: [AN1x-list] Violin Sound
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> Jim,
> 
> At 12:50 a 6/2/2001 +0200, you wrote:
> >----- Original Message -----
> >Fra: Bruce Wahler <bruce@...>
> >I have only briefly played with the ribbon controller and meant to get 
> >back to it but have been busy with other, mostly using the modulator 
> >wheel. What is the advantage of the ribbon? Why is it (or is it?) more 
> >natural for example than a mod wheel....in what kinds of cases do you 
> >prefer the ribbon over the mod wheel?
> 
> It's not necessarily more "natural" than the wheel, but it is a lot faster, 
> and more closely coupled to the player's hand movements, IMHO.  It also has 
> the advantage of an automatic return-to-zero as soon as the hand is removed.
> 
> I prefer the wheel when I plan to add a constant amount of modulation for a 
> fairly long time -- opening a filter, or panning/morphing from one sound to 
> another -- or when I need greater accuracy.  I prefer the ribbon for quick 
> stabs, or when I want to modulate two things at the same time.  (The 
> two-mod technique is tricky at first, but it comes in handy!)  As with all 
> human interfaces, whether you agree or not is a matter of personal taste.
> 
> >While we're at it, I know I can assign most (if not all) parameters to a 
> >controller...but if anyone had a list over the TOP best things to assign 
> >to the mod wheel, and also to the ribbon controller I bet it would 
> >help....Anyone?
> 
> It's really personal taste, but here's my $0.02:
> 
> Mod Wheel -- vibrato, if it's used in an on/off sort of way; VCF cutoff or 
> resonance; slave VCO frequency on sync patches; morphing
> 
> Ribbon X -- pitch bends:  I like to set it up so that up OR down movements 
> from center cause the same change (both up or both down); slave VCO 
> frequency (for talking sounds)
> 
> Ribbon Z -- very heavy vibrato, for quick stabs
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> -BW
> 
> --
> Bruce Wahler
> Design Consultant
> Ashby Solutions"
> www.ashbysolutions.com
> CloneWheel Support Group moderator
> 978.386.7389  voice
> 978.964.0547 fax
> bruce@...
> 
> 
> Community email addresses:
>   Post message: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
>   Subscribe:    AN1x-list-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
>   Unsubscribe:  AN1x-list-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>   List owner:   AN1x-list-owner@yahoogroups.com
> 
> Shortcut URL to this page:
>    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AN1x-list
>  
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> 
> 
>

Re: SV: SV: [AN1x-list] Violin Sound

2001-06-02 by Bruce Wahler

Jim,

>One thing...and this is embarrasing to ask, but when you say vibrato...I 
>think there are more than one paramter that can produce vibrato, am I right?
>
>Which is the most common, or can you give any examples of different ways 
>to acheive controllable vibrato (i.e. where one can make it deeper, or 
>vary more, etc.)

For the most part, vibrato refers to frequency modulation only; i.e. 
modulating the pitch of the VCOs with an LFO.  This is the classic "organ" 
approach to vibrato -- all FM, no AM.

On acoustic instruments, however, the act of bending the pitch, especially 
quickly, often ands other modulations to the sound.  As an example, when a 
saxophonist creates vibrato, it's done by pulsing the mouth pressure on the 
reed, which has an effect on overall volume (AM), as well as causing 
changes the shape of the waveform (analogous to PWM).  In addition, the 
amplitude changes cause corresponding changes in the timbre of the note -- 
more volume on a saxophone = brighter timbres.

So, we have FM (vibrato), AM (tremolo), plus waveform changes (PWM) and 
timbre changes (VCF) to contend with.  If there are enough modulation 
sources available, all four sources can be triggered:  LFO -> pitch, LFO -> 
VCA, LFO -> PWM, and LFO -> VCF.

As a rule, adding VCA tremolo tends to make the vibrato "deeper", as does 
PWM modulation.  The amount of each type added will vary from sound to sound.

Regards,

-BW

--
Bruce Wahler
Design Consultant
Ashby Solutions"
www.ashbysolutions.com
CloneWheel Support Group moderator
978.386.7389  voice
978.964.0547 fax
bruce@...

SV: SV: [AN1x-list] Violin Sound

2001-06-03 by J Acker

Thanks Bruce and Jerry for the advice and explanations...they are great!

I get kinda frustrated, cause no matter what I'm getting out of the An1x I know
in the right hands it could do so much more :-)

Still, after my last foray here, where I got a lot of great pointers and help (thanks all!) and then downloaded a lot of patches to hear and see what others do I am seeing the range of this instrument. Which seems to me to be considerable! One other thing...I am seeing the few limitations, like I have a feeling I will never be able to make a great acoustic piano sound on ths An1x...which is okay as I have a Roland keyboard that has some pretty nice piano sounds...and a piano with vibrato and pitch bend (and I WOULD be tempted you know) is just weird and probably best kept away from me.

But it still seems there are lots of oppurtunities here...even I, a guitarist by nature and not a great keyboardist, am finding  I can jam with myself on the 8 track and use the meager controllers I can use realtime to good effect. I mean I am able to play some pretty things with lots of nuances....and do what I basically hear in my head. 

It was kind of amazing to me how fast I got used to using the mod wheel and pitch bend and velocity..I thought it would be mechanically stilted as it wasn't natural for me but I found it felt very natural. 

All in all I am very glad I bought the AN1x. Though I always have the feeling like it is a jet engine and I'm using it as a lawnmower....

I'll learn to live with it though, and thanks to this list and you guys I am making headway. 

Jim
                          James R. Acker
     jacker@... listen to my music at.....
==============================================================
My current songs can be now heard at my site: http://home.sol.no/~jacker/

----- Original Message ----- 
Fra: Jerry Aiyathurai <tuskerfort@...>
Til: <AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com>
Sendt: 3. juni 2001 05:53
Emne: Re: SV: [AN1x-list] Violin Sound
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > But your statement here was interesting too. I have only briefly 
> played with the ribbon controller and meant to get back to it but 
> have been busy with other, mostly using the modulator wheel. What is 
> the advantage of the ribbon? Why is it (or is it?) more natural for 
> example than a mod wheel....in what kinds of cases do you prefer the 
> ribbon over the mod wheel?
> 
> >>>>>>For me, the big difference is that you can attack the ribbon, 
> anywhere along it's length. You don't have to slide up from zero or 
> 64 to get there. This makes it great for trills, if it is assigned to 
> pitch for example. As bruce said its good for fast stuff. The only 
> weak point of it, is that it has only a 128 step resolution, so you 
> have to keep the pitch range pretty small, if you are using it for 
> pitch (the pitch wheel, by comparison has much more steps, I think 
> 128 times 128 according to the midi spec, so you can do huge sweeps 
> without a stepping sound). I find that for other things, the ribbon 
> is pretty good, but again, you have to keep the range small, or the 
> sound gets grainy.
> 
> 
> > While we're at it, I know I can assign most (if not all) parameters 
> to a controller...but if anyone had a list over the TOP best things 
> to assign to the mod wheel, and also to the ribbon controller I bet 
> it would help....Anyone?
> 
> >>>>>>>>>The mod wheel - I tend to use very traditionally. For more 
> lead and bass typs sounds I use it for vibrato/tremolo application 
> and for patch morphing. For pads, I sometimes program a timbral 
> change (filter cutoff, pulse width, etc) so I can control the mood of 
> the song.
> 
> On the ribbon - I have a couple of tricks that are particular to the 
> An1x. Basically the ribbon on the AN1x is great for triggering things 
> like envelopes. One thing I like to do is create a pitch envelope of 
> about 20-30 and a pitch depth of zero. Then I assign pitch depth to 
> the ribbon (X axis). I set this value to "direct" so that the 
> midpoint is no envelope, the left-hand-side of the ribbon is a sweep 
> up and the right-hand-side of the ribbon is a sweep down. Now if you 
> just control the pitch of both oscillators with the pitch envelope, 
> you get regular results, but remember that the more synthetic-
> sounding features of the AN1x can be modulated by the pitch envelope 
> also (FM, Oscillator sync etc). I usually just have one oscillator 
> swept by the pitch envelope, so that the oscillators 'grind' against 
> each other. So now when playing, your patch sounds normal (because 
> the pitch envelope depth is zero), but if you tap the ribbon, you 
> hear an explosion, as the pitch envelope creates FM, or other 
> interesting sounds. Where you tap on the ribbon, determines the pitch 
> and direction of the explosion. So you can have a lead sound and when 
> you reach a climax, you can trigger these noises. A pretty cool 
> synth, because it sounds like a modular with these effects.
> 
> Also the Z axis is great for wah things like opening the filter. 
> Especially if you have a lot of amplifier feedback (try the BEF 
> filter with a lot of feedback), you can make it scream when you press 
> the ribbon (Z pressure). Remember you don't have to use the LPF all 
> the time, as you can control the brightness of the sound with the osc 
> edge. Don't hurt your ears doing this. It can be really nasty.
> 
> My $0.01. I hope these ideas help. I myself am learning a lot from 
> these discussions.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Jerry
> 
> 
> Community email addresses:
>   Post message: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
>   Subscribe:    AN1x-list-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
>   Unsubscribe:  AN1x-list-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>   List owner:   AN1x-list-owner@yahoogroups.com
> 
> Shortcut URL to this page:
>    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AN1x-list
>  
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> 
> 
>

Move to quarantaine

This moves the raw source file on disk only. The archive index is not changed automatically, so you still need to run a manual refresh afterward.