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Hi gang

I know we've been through this topic before, but I just need confirmation. I 
see my AN1X standing there with incredible possibillities, beautiful sounds 
and its great keyboard, and then all I can think off is its damn monotimbral 
(bi-timbral at most) shortcomings.
Is there a reason for VA's to have less polyphony and timbrality than 
sampled-based synths? Even the new Supernova 2 only got eight part 
multitimbrality. It's just enough for basic songs, but I think 16 part 
multitimbrality is a minimum. Even my trusty DJX got that.

I extensively use MIDI (without being a guru, far from it), and in that 
sense the AN1X is near to useless in complete songmaking as I can only use 
one sound in every song. Sure there must be a way to at least use different 
sounds in a track, albeit not at the same time? Is there something like a 
patch-change command I can send to my AN1X? I use Cakewalk 8.0.

Was wondering if I should invest in a sampler so I could sample my AN1X and 
use it as a multitimbral AN1X-emulator. Don't know which sampler's got the 
best filters and effects, though... But that's a whole 'nother story.






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I have been looking at samplers recently and it would appear that the
Yamaha A4000 is a good deal, 64 note poly, 4 or 6 outs standard, 96 FX
types over 3 FX blocks, 16 Filter types, FX etc. Are midi syncable,
Comes with built in sscsi/IDE for chucking upto an 8gb HDD or a CDRW or
CDR drive in or Jaz/zip, all for £589 UKp


In article <F53aqbC8wSA1XvpFVjC000049eb@hotmail.com>, Bjrn Standal
<standal2000@...> writes
>Hi gang
>
>I know we've been through this topic before, but I just need confirmation. I 
>see my AN1X standing there with incredible possibillities, beautiful sounds 
>and its great keyboard, and then all I can think off is its damn monotimbral 
>(bi-timbral at most) shortcomings.
>Is there a reason for VA's to have less polyphony and timbrality than 
>sampled-based synths? Even the new Supernova 2 only got eight part 
>multitimbrality. It's just enough for basic songs, but I think 16 part 
>multitimbrality is a minimum. Even my trusty DJX got that.
>
>I extensively use MIDI (without being a guru, far from it), and in that 
>sense the AN1X is near to useless in complete songmaking as I can only use 
>one sound in every song. Sure there must be a way to at least use different 
>sounds in a track, albeit not at the same time? Is there something like a 
>patch-change command I can send to my AN1X? I use Cakewalk 8.0.
>
>Was wondering if I should invest in a sampler so I could sample my AN1X and 
>use it as a multitimbral AN1X-emulator. Don't know which sampler's got the 
>best filters and effects, though... But that's a whole 'nother story.
>
>
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See ya,

Reggie

Hi

     I am the owner of an A4000, and I have to tell you that there are some
things about this machine you should be aware of.

     First of all there is a small problem with the knobs on tha A4000. The
technology behind these knobs makes them very fragile. You will discover
that they after a while jumps over several positions when turning them.

     Software: There are a few things that are missing. You f.ex. don't have
the option of deleting a program. You can delete the samples, but not the
program. Of course you can just rename the program and use it for something
else, but anyway. Also in the edit-function of the samples, you don't have
the option of deleting something in the middle of a sample. The CUT-option,
as we all know it from other programs. But you get a sample editor with the
purchase of the machine, but then you need a SCSI-card to transfer them to
the A4000, if it is big samples.

     And the RAM used in this machine is the old EDO-RAM, so it can be
difficult to find or maybe you will have to pay a lot of money for it. If
you are luck, then maybe you or some friend of yours, have an old PC with
some EDO-RAM in it that works in the A4000. I was lucky to have that, so I
have a lot of RAM in my A4000, without paiyng anything for it    =)

     I am not trying to say you shouldn't buy the machine, but just trying
to make some info available for you before you purchase it. Also I am not
trying to say it is a bad purchase, because I like it.

Jan


> I have been looking at samplers recently and it would appear that the
> Yamaha A4000 is a good deal, 64 note poly, 4 or 6 outs standard, 96 FX
> types over 3 FX blocks, 16 Filter types, FX etc. Are midi syncable,
> Comes with built in sscsi/IDE for chucking upto an 8gb HDD or a CDRW or
> CDR drive in or Jaz/zip, all for \ufffd589 UKp
>
>
> In article <F53aqbC8wSA1XvpFVjC000049eb@...>, Bjrn Standal
> <standal2000@...> writes
> >Hi gang
> >
> >I know we've been through this topic before, but I just need
> confirmation. I
> >see my AN1X standing there with incredible possibillities,
> beautiful sounds
> >and its great keyboard, and then all I can think off is its damn
> monotimbral
> >(bi-timbral at most) shortcomings.
> >Is there a reason for VA's to have less polyphony and timbrality than
> >sampled-based synths? Even the new Supernova 2 only got eight part
> >multitimbrality. It's just enough for basic songs, but I think 16 part
> >multitimbrality is a minimum. Even my trusty DJX got that.
> >
> >I extensively use MIDI (without being a guru, far from it), and in that
> >sense the AN1X is near to useless in complete songmaking as I
> can only use
> >one sound in every song. Sure there must be a way to at least
> use different
> >sounds in a track, albeit not at the same time? Is there
> something like a
> >patch-change command I can send to my AN1X? I use Cakewalk 8.0.
> >
> >Was wondering if I should invest in a sampler so I could sample
> my AN1X and
> >use it as a multitimbral AN1X-emulator. Don't know which
> sampler's got the
> >best filters and effects, though... But that's a whole 'nother story.
> >
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See ya,

Reggie

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--- In AN1x-list@y..., "Bjørn Standal" <standal2000@h...> wrote:
> Hi gang
> 
> I know we've been through this topic before, but I just need 
confirmation. I 
> see my AN1X standing there with incredible possibillities, 
beautiful sounds 
> and its great keyboard, and then all I can think off is its damn 
monotimbral 
> (bi-timbral at most) shortcomings.
> Is there a reason for VA's to have less polyphony and timbrality 
than 
> sampled-based synths?

Yes, there are very significant reasons. Sample based synthesizers, 
i.e., ROMplers, use ROM based storage, i.e., cheap & fast, to store 
their waveform data. V/A's generate their waveforms in real time. The 
CPU requirements are on a completely different level for ROMplers 
than Virtual Analog synthesizers, or Physical Modeling if you will. 
V/As require an exceptional amount of processor power to calculate 
the resulting waveforms. As the saying goes - you're comparing apples 
to oranges.

> Even the new Supernova 2 only got eight part 
> multitimbrality.

Yes, and you PAY for those 8 parts too! The difference between the 
MSRP of the AN1x ('97) and the SuperNova ('00) is considerable. I'd 
also hazard a guess that the processor's are unsimilar - probably 
custom ASICS designs - which also affect the MSRP.

> It's just enough for basic songs, but I think 16 part 
> multitimbrality is a minimum. Even my trusty DJX got that.

Yes, but does anybody REALLY want to hear sixteen parts from a DJX 
(just kidding ;-) More is not necessarily better. Say you have an 
AN1x that's 16-part multitimbral. How much polyphony should it have? 
10 voices? 16 voices? 32 voices? 128 voices? What are you willing to 
PAY for those additional voices and the necessary CPU power to 
generate that many simultaneous notes (with no noticeable latency)? 
Oh, and what about the FX processors? Are the three enough? I imagine 
you want to be able to chose from simultaneous variations effects as 
opposed to having the Delay and Reverb? Well, that too takes more 
CPU. What about better, smoother Reverbs? Same argument.

I'm not trying to belittle you - I'm just trying to make a point. 
Forgive me if it comes across as anything other than that :-)

> 
> I extensively use MIDI (without being a guru, far from it), and in 
that 
> sense the AN1X is near to useless in complete songmaking as I can 
only use 
> one sound in every song.

Another issues with the great, multitimbral behomeths - the more 
sounds you generate from the one box the more alike your arrangements 
will become. After a while it will all SOUND like it's coming from 
the one box because it is! *yawn*

Sure there must be a way to at least use different 
> sounds in a track, albeit not at the same time? Is there something 
like a 
> patch-change command I can send to my AN1X? I use Cakewalk 8.0.


Sure that would work. But the AN1x responds relatively slowly to 
program change messages. Make certain to leave a measure for the AN1x 
to have adequate time to respond.

As an alternative, you could invest in which ever version of Cakewalk 
provides Audio recording, in addition to MIDI, along with a decent 
sound card and simply lay down multiple audio takes from your AN1x. 
This would require more manual effort on your part but would 
alleviate your concern over the AN1x bitimbral design (which, BTW, I 
never use!)

> 
> Was wondering if I should invest in a sampler so I could sample my 
AN1X and 
> use it as a multitimbral AN1X-emulator. Don't know which sampler's 
got the 
> best filters and effects, though... But that's a whole 'nother 
story.

Great idea! IMO, a sampler and V/A go along way to covering your 
bases. As already mentioned in this thread the Yamaha A4000 is a good 
value for the money and I'm certain people are making great music 
with it. Personally, I prefer my ASR-X Pro over the A4K. Primarily 
due to the sound quality and the internal effects which are more 
appealing to me. Also, there are some design limitations in the A4K 
which I did NOT want to deal with, i.e., poor disk routines, 
sloooooooooooooooooooooow SCSI, and a User Interface that felt 
"unfinished". I could go on if you like but we might have to take 
that conversation offline :-)


Hope this helps,

Jon

In article <JJEKLPCFBAIDGALLHOOFAECECCAA.pergamon@...>, Pergamon
<pergamon@...> writes
>Hi
>
>     I am the owner of an A4000, and I have to tell you that there are some
>things about this machine you should be aware of.
>
>     First of all there is a small problem with the knobs on tha A4000. The
>technology behind these knobs makes them very fragile. You will discover
>that they after a while jumps over several positions when turning them.
That's OK, It will accept a midi Input, So I'll use my peavey!


>
>     Software: There are a few things that are missing. You f.ex. don't have
>the option of deleting a program. 
What do you mean by this?




>You can delete the samples, but not the
>program. Of course you can just rename the program and use it for something
>else, but anyway. Also in the edit-function of the samples, you don't have
>the option of deleting something in the middle of a sample. The CUT-option,
>as we all know it from other programs. But you get a sample editor with the
>purchase of the machine, but then you need a SCSI-card to transfer them to
>the A4000, if it is big samples.
Or an IDE CD drive.
I hope it's not TWE, 'cos that is a bad piece of software!  I'm not so
bothered about that, I've been using sample editors for a quite a while,
So cutting up the sample as I want it is No problem, I have a 16x
Plextor CD rewriter, So getting data to and from it shouldn't be
difficult!




>
>     And the RAM used in this machine is the old EDO-RAM, so it can be
>difficult to find or maybe you will have to pay a lot of money for it. If
>you are luck, then maybe you or some friend of yours, have an old PC with
>some EDO-RAM in it that works in the A4000. I was lucky to have that, so I
>have a lot of RAM in my A4000, without paiyng anything for it    =)
>
>     I am not trying to say you shouldn't buy the machine, but just trying
>to make some info available for you before you purchase it. Also I am not
>trying to say it is a bad purchase, because I like it.
I already have that one worked out, The place I am getting it will chuck
32Mb of ram in it for me, and someone I know will do me the other 96Mb
cheap as 'Chips'!


Tell me what you like about it, Then I'll have more of a think about it!




>
>Jan
>
>
>> I have been looking at samplers recently and it would appear that the
>> Yamaha A4000 is a good deal, 64 note poly, 4 or 6 outs standard, 96 FX
>> types over 3 FX blocks, 16 Filter types, FX etc. Are midi syncable,
>> Comes with built in sscsi/IDE for chucking upto an 8gb HDD or a CDRW or
>> CDR drive in or Jaz/zip, all for 589 UKp
>>
>>
>> In article <F53aqbC8wSA1XvpFVjC000049eb@...>, Bjrn Standal
>> <standal2000@...> writes
>> >Hi gang
>> >
>> >I know we've been through this topic before, but I just need
>> confirmation. I
>> >see my AN1X standing there with incredible possibillities,
>> beautiful sounds
>> >and its great keyboard, and then all I can think off is its damn
>> monotimbral
>> >(bi-timbral at most) shortcomings.
>> >Is there a reason for VA's to have less polyphony and timbrality than
>> >sampled-based synths? Even the new Supernova 2 only got eight part
>> >multitimbrality. It's just enough for basic songs, but I think 16 part
>> >multitimbrality is a minimum. Even my trusty DJX got that.
>> >
>> >I extensively use MIDI (without being a guru, far from it), and in that
>> >sense the AN1X is near to useless in complete songmaking as I
>> can only use
>> >one sound in every song. Sure there must be a way to at least
>> use different
>> >sounds in a track, albeit not at the same time? Is there
>> something like a
>> >patch-change command I can send to my AN1X? I use Cakewalk 8.0.
>> >
>> >Was wondering if I should invest in a sampler so I could sample
>> my AN1X and
>> >use it as a multitimbral AN1X-emulator. Don't know which
>> sampler's got the
>> >best filters and effects, though... But that's a whole 'nother story.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>See ya,
>
>Reggie
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See ya,

Reggie

VA's have less poly/multi (in general) beacuse their soundstructure is
mathematically more complex and the DSP's need to be more powerful to obtain
the same amount of poly/multi. The sound creation possibilties are way more
flexible and diverse (in many ways) than most romplers. Romplers like the
DJX (or JV1080, cs2x) are basically sampelrs with a fixed set of samples in
them. 'All' they do is play back samples at different pitches (this is a
very 'rude' generalisation) whilst VA calculate real time the shape of
waveform which is a dsp consuming process.

and YES inverting in a sampler is ALLWAYS a good idea.

Bastiaan van de Werk

----- Original Message -----
From: Bj\ufffdrn Standal <standal2000@...>
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Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 9:35 AM
Subject: [AN1x-list] Timbrality issue once more


> Hi gang
>
> I know we've been through this topic before, but I just need confirmation.
I
> see my AN1X standing there with incredible possibillities, beautiful
sounds
> and its great keyboard, and then all I can think off is its damn
monotimbral
> (bi-timbral at most) shortcomings.
> Is there a reason for VA's to have less polyphony and timbrality than
> sampled-based synths? Even the new Supernova 2 only got eight part
> multitimbrality. It's just enough for basic songs, but I think 16 part
> multitimbrality is a minimum. Even my trusty DJX got that.
>
> I extensively use MIDI (without being a guru, far from it), and in that
> sense the AN1X is near to useless in complete songmaking as I can only use
> one sound in every song. Sure there must be a way to at least use
different
> sounds in a track, albeit not at the same time? Is there something like a
> patch-change command I can send to my AN1X? I use Cakewalk 8.0.
>
> Was wondering if I should invest in a sampler so I could sample my AN1X
and

> use it as a multitimbral AN1X-emulator. Don't know which sampler's got the
> best filters and effects, though... But that's a whole 'nother story.
>
>
>
>
>
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>From: "Bj\ufffdrn Standal" <standal2000@...>
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>Subject: [AN1x-list] Timbrality issue once more
>Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:35:48 +0200
>
>Hi gang
>
>I know we've been through this topic before, but I just need confirmation. 
>I
>see my AN1X standing there with incredible possibillities, beautiful sounds
>and its great keyboard, and then all I can think off is its damn 
>monotimbral
>(bi-timbral at most) shortcomings.
>Is there a reason for VA's to have less polyphony and timbrality than
>sampled-based synths? Even the new Supernova 2 only got eight part
>multitimbrality. It's just enough for basic songs, but I think 16 part
>multitimbrality is a minimum. Even my trusty DJX got that.
>
>I extensively use MIDI (without being a guru, far from it), and in that
>sense the AN1X is near to useless in complete songmaking as I can only use
>one sound in every song. Sure there must be a way to at least use different
>sounds in a track, albeit not at the same time? Is there something like a
>patch-change command I can send to my AN1X? I use Cakewalk 8.0.
>
>Was wondering if I should invest in a sampler so I could sample my AN1X and
>use it as a multitimbral AN1X-emulator. Don't know which sampler's got the 
>best filters and effects, though... But that's a whole 'nother story.
>
>
>
Hi Bj\ufffdrn!

I asked myself the same question, How can I make a song with only two 
timbres on the An1x. I have a PC so I tried to record some loops with a 
MIDI-program named Cuteloops and a recording program named Goldwave. But the 
problem was that I didn't get any variation in my songs because Cuteloops 
couldn't send any sysex messages.
I got Cubasis, a better MIDI-program with a lot of features. I also bought a 
Soundblaster Live soundcard. Then i tried again.
The problem is when you record a bassline and you wanna add a melody or 
something, you cannot hear how it sounds together before you actually have 
recorded the bassline. So instead of recording the bassline at once, I built 
the whole song with plain MIDI-instruments and Soundfonts on my soundcard. 
Then i recorded the bassline and the melody and then the rest of the song. 
Something I have tought of is to make the sounds on the An1x into 
SoundFonts, but first I gotta learn me how. I don't know about 
patch-changing in Cakewalk 8, but I am sure you can do that with Sysex 
messages. An1x is a great synth, but the lack of timbres is blurring the 
picture...

Greetings!!!

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From: "Bj\ufffdrn Standal" <standal2000@...>

> Is there a reason for VA's to have less polyphony and timbrality than
> sampled-based synths? Even the new Supernova 2 only got eight part
> multitimbrality. It's just enough for basic songs, but I think 16 part
> multitimbrality is a minimum. Even my trusty DJX got that.

Polyphony and multitimbrality are two different issues. There's no real
reason why an instrument should have low multitimbrality: the first Access
Virus (the 'A') had 12 voice polyphony and 16 part multitimbrality.

For the Supernova, it would make sense to increase multitimbrality,
especially when you have the beefed-up 48 voice version. The Virus B fares
better in this respect, because it has 16 part multitimbrality.

As for polyphony, there's a pretty good reason for that. Contrary to what
most people on this list are claiming, there's not much of a difference
between the structure of a 'virtual analogue' synth and a sampling &
synthesis (S&S) synth. Both are substractive synths that have an oscillator
section, an amplifier section and a filter section.

It's not that the waveform is computed, because it's a look-up table in the
synth's ROM and therefore it doesn't differ from a so-called 'rompler'. All
samplers and 'romplers' have resonant filters, so that's the same as well.

The difference lies in the oscillator section, and in general how all
sections are computed. A synth nowadays is nothing more than a dedicated
computer, and it computes audio waveforms. In a VA synth, you have a simple
waveform, or two of them, but you can modulate them, change them, and have
them interact, all in real-time. This is the main difference with
sample-based synths, where the waveform is more elaborate, but fixed as
well. Computing interacting waveforms doesn't take that much computing time,
however.

The other difference is the computation of the sound. Real analogue synths
aren't perfect, and that is essential for how they sound. Whereas a digital
synth can produce a perfect 440 Hz tone, an analogue synth produces a tone
that hovers somewhere around 440 Hz. The same goes for the amplifier and the
filter. Computing all these small imperfections and having it sound
authentically requires the greatest computational resources.

> I extensively use MIDI (without being a guru, far from it), and in that
> sense the AN1X is near to useless in complete songmaking as I can only use
> one sound in every song. Sure there must be a way to at least use
different
> sounds in a track, albeit not at the same time? Is there something like a
> patch-change command I can send to my AN1X? I use Cakewalk 8.0.

Yes, it's called MIDI Program Change.

> Was wondering if I should invest in a sampler so I could sample my AN1X
and
> use it as a multitimbral AN1X-emulator. Don't know which sampler's got the
> best filters and effects, though... But that's a whole 'nother story.

There are loads of samplers. Generally, the more expensive, the better the
quality. A EMU E4 Platinum is a very nice sampler, but you'd have to
re-mortgage your house to afford one.

- Peter

Hi again

To round up this thread, I would like to thank all you guys for answering
and enlightening me on this subject. All responses where informative and I
have sort of decided to:

1. Get Cakewalk with audio-recording (think 9.0). Make complete songs on my
303/Trinity/DJX and then assign selected tracks (e.g. the bassline-track
which originated from the 303) to the AN1X , one at the time, to record them
into Cakewalk. The last track designated for the AN1X can be used as regular
midi track for real-time tweaking.

2. Get a sampler. I haven't decided for soft or hard, but hard is more
likely. Somebody I know got the Emu E4 Platinum which is one monster of a
sampler, 128MB, 20GB, lots of effects, 20 CD's with samples, SCSI, and one
quadrillion outputs. One problem is it's price tag. He got it for about
$6250 new. (Prices on gear here in Norway are really terrifying). Another
thing about this sampler is (something I heard somewhere) that you can't do
real-time filtering. You have to "re-trig" the sample to make the new
filter-setting active. Don't know if it's true, but if it is, I would
consider that a tremendous limit.
Also considering Akai Sxxx, Yamaha A5000 and other Emu's (6400, Ultra
6400)... But what I am looking for in a sampler is really that I can use it
as a sound module like any other synth, and fully control effects and
filters from within Cakewalk. Don't care about onboard sound-editing tools
as I do that kind of thing in Cool Edit or Recycle.

Thanks again. Nice having you competent people around :-)

And hey, don't talk down to the DJX.;-)

Bjorn - that's not truth about EMU's (or sampler's) disability to control the
filter in real-time.
AFAIK there a 'small' problem on EMU's (their ROMplers [Proteus 2K] too) that
RESONANCE can't be changed
while the note is on , but filter cutoff frequency can , of course.
Also - as the sampler won't be your only instrument I'd never consider buying
Platinum version.
I was choosing and making a decision about the sampler during last 3 months I
think <G>
and I came down to E-MU Ultra 6400 and I am going to get it here (in Moscow -
not the cheapest
place to get music eq. too) for about 1650-1700 $ (new) in about a week and know
what ? I think I get practically
the same stuff as Platinum for my needs.
Do you need more than 8 outs ? Do you need wordclock input ? Do you need 32 Midi
INs ?
Do you need more than 64 poly in the sampler ?  and so on and so on ..
Practically everything that is added in Platinum is not very useful for me.
The only model I was / am taking into accound now is AKAI S3000XL , I think ,
(though I find its limits really limiting)
because of too much people saying to me that the 'coloring' of the sound on them
is much smaller than on the new
S5000/S6000 and Ultra E-MU's (the latest ones have a bit 'cheesy' sound as many
pro users say). I am not taking
5000/6000's into account because of many problems people are telling about ,
because of the UI which I think is not
great for such a display and so on (and again , the sound).
Here were my ideas.
Good luck.
Ray.


Bj\ufffdrn Standal wrote:

> Hi again
>
> To round up this thread, I would like to thank all you guys for answering
> and enlightening me on this subject. All responses where informative and I
> have sort of decided to:
>
> 1. Get Cakewalk with audio-recording (think 9.0). Make complete songs on my
> 303/Trinity/DJX and then assign selected tracks (e.g. the bassline-track
> which originated from the 303) to the AN1X , one at the time, to record them
> into Cakewalk. The last track designated for the AN1X can be used as regular
> midi track for real-time tweaking.
>
> 2. Get a sampler. I haven't decided for soft or hard, but hard is more
> likely. Somebody I know got the Emu E4 Platinum which is one monster of a
> sampler, 128MB, 20GB, lots of effects, 20 CD's with samples, SCSI, and one
> quadrillion outputs. One problem is it's price tag. He got it for about
> $6250 new. (Prices on gear here in Norway are really terrifying). Another
> thing about this sampler is (something I heard somewhere) that you can't do
> real-time filtering. You have to "re-trig" the sample to make the new
> filter-setting active. Don't know if it's true, but if it is, I would
> consider that a tremendous limit.
> Also considering Akai Sxxx, Yamaha A5000 and other Emu's (6400, Ultra
> 6400)... But what I am looking for in a sampler is really that I can use it
> as a sound module like any other synth, and fully control effects and
> filters from within Cakewalk. Don't care about onboard sound-editing tools
> as I do that kind of thing in Cool Edit or Recycle.
>
> Thanks again. Nice having you competent people around :-)
>
> And hey, don't talk down to the DJX.;-)
>
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Ops , I am sorry for my formatting.
Ray.

RayMaxer wrote:

> Bjorn - that's not truth about EMU's (or sampler's) disability to control the
> filter in real-time.
> AFAIK there a 'small' problem on EMU's (their ROMplers [Proteus 2K] too) that
> RESONANCE can't be changed
> while the note is on , but filter cutoff frequency can , of course.
> Also - as the sampler won't be your only instrument I'd never consider buying
> Platinum version.
> I was choosing and making a decision about the sampler during last 3 months I
> think <G>
> and I came down to E-MU Ultra 6400 and I am going to get it here (in Moscow -
> not the cheapest
> place to get music eq. too) for about 1650-1700 $ (new) in about a week and know
> what ? I think I get practically
> the same stuff as Platinum for my needs.
> Do you need more than 8 outs ? Do you need wordclock input ? Do you need 32 Midi
> INs ?
> Do you need more than 64 poly in the sampler ?  and so on and so on ..
> Practically everything that is added in Platinum is not very useful for me.
> The only model I was / am taking into accound now is AKAI S3000XL , I think ,
> (though I find its limits really limiting)
> because of too much people saying to me that the 'coloring' of the sound on them
> is much smaller than on the new
> S5000/S6000 and Ultra E-MU's (the latest ones have a bit 'cheesy' sound as many
> pro users say). I am not taking
> 5000/6000's into account because of many problems people are telling about ,
> because of the UI which I think is not
> great for such a display and so on (and again , the sound).
> Here were my ideas.
> Good luck.
> Ray.
>
> Bj\ufffdrn Standal wrote:
>
> > Hi again
> >
> > To round up this thread, I would like to thank all you guys for answering
> > and enlightening me on this subject. All responses where informative and I
> > have sort of decided to:
> >
> > 1. Get Cakewalk with audio-recording (think 9.0). Make complete songs on my
> > 303/Trinity/DJX and then assign selected tracks (e.g. the bassline-track
> > which originated from the 303) to the AN1X , one at the time, to record them
> > into Cakewalk. The last track designated for the AN1X can be used as regular
> > midi track for real-time tweaking.
> >
> > 2. Get a sampler. I haven't decided for soft or hard, but hard is more
> > likely. Somebody I know got the Emu E4 Platinum which is one monster of a
> > sampler, 128MB, 20GB, lots of effects, 20 CD's with samples, SCSI, and one
> > quadrillion outputs. One problem is it's price tag. He got it for about
> > $6250 new. (Prices on gear here in Norway are really terrifying). Another
> > thing about this sampler is (something I heard somewhere) that you can't do
> > real-time filtering. You have to "re-trig" the sample to make the new
> > filter-setting active. Don't know if it's true, but if it is, I would
> > consider that a tremendous limit.
> > Also considering Akai Sxxx, Yamaha A5000 and other Emu's (6400, Ultra
> > 6400)... But what I am looking for in a sampler is really that I can use it
> > as a sound module like any other synth, and fully control effects and
> > filters from within Cakewalk. Don't care about onboard sound-editing tools
> > as I do that kind of thing in Cool Edit or Recycle.
> >
> > Thanks again. Nice having you competent people around :-)
> >
> > And hey, don't talk down to the DJX.;-)
> >
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Hi there...

I'm using Cake 9.0 for controlling the Sw1000xg and the plg150an with the
awesome pieces of music software never realised: XGEDIT and AN1XEDIT.

Well, using the PLG I'm in a good mess. When I load a Bank I'm must to
double-clic a sound for loading and hearing the sound in my cakewalk, but
when I try to change patch in cake, I'm only hearing the default patches.
How can I use the sounds properly???..

Any help will be very agreed. My configuration is the Gary's recommendation
for my scenario. I've little doubs about SysEx and Thru configurations but
think will be good.

Please, if anybody is using this hardware with the software I'm using, any
help will be very agreed.

Thanks in advance.

Gary: Your work is awesome. When I be able to use them properly I will enjoy
!!! ;-)). Now, I'm not using them with all its power because configuration
and knowledgement problems. Please, be patient with us (with me, at least
;-))).

Thanks for your work!!
  -----Mensaje original-----
  De: RayMaxer [mailto:digil@...]
  Enviado el: jueves, 12 de abril de 2001 21:29
  Para: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
  Asunto: Re: [AN1x-list] Timbrality issue once more


  Ops , I am sorry for my formatting.
  Ray.

  RayMaxer wrote:

  > Bjorn - that's not truth about EMU's (or sampler's) disability to
control the
  > filter in real-time.
  > AFAIK there a 'small' problem on EMU's (their ROMplers [Proteus 2K] too)
that
  > RESONANCE can't be changed
  > while the note is on , but filter cutoff frequency can , of course.
  > Also - as the sampler won't be your only instrument I'd never consider
buying
  > Platinum version.
  > I was choosing and making a decision about the sampler during last 3
months I
  > think <G>
  > and I came down to E-MU Ultra 6400 and I am going to get it here (in
Moscow -
  > not the cheapest
  > place to get music eq. too) for about 1650-1700 $ (new) in about a week
and know
  > what ? I think I get practically
  > the same stuff as Platinum for my needs.
  > Do you need more than 8 outs ? Do you need wordclock input ? Do you need
32 Midi
  > INs ?
  > Do you need more than 64 poly in the sampler ?  and so on and so on ..
  > Practically everything that is added in Platinum is not very useful for
me.
  > The only model I was / am taking into accound now is AKAI S3000XL , I
think ,
  > (though I find its limits really limiting)
  > because of too much people saying to me that the 'coloring' of the sound
on them
  > is much smaller than on the new
  > S5000/S6000 and Ultra E-MU's (the latest ones have a bit 'cheesy' sound
as many
  > pro users say). I am not taking
  > 5000/6000's into account because of many problems people are telling
about ,
  > because of the UI which I think is not
  > great for such a display and so on (and again , the sound).
  > Here were my ideas.
  > Good luck.
  > Ray.
  >
  > Bjørn Standal wrote:
  >
  > > Hi again
  > >
  > > To round up this thread, I would like to thank all you guys for
answering
  > > and enlightening me on this subject. All responses where informative
and I
  > > have sort of decided to:
  > >
  > > 1. Get Cakewalk with audio-recording (think 9.0). Make complete songs
on my
  > > 303/Trinity/DJX and then assign selected tracks (e.g. the
bassline-track
  > > which originated from the 303) to the AN1X , one at the time, to
record them
  > > into Cakewalk. The last track designated for the AN1X can be used as
regular
  > > midi track for real-time tweaking.
  > >
  > > 2. Get a sampler. I haven't decided for soft or hard, but hard is more
  > > likely. Somebody I know got the Emu E4 Platinum which is one monster
of a
  > > sampler, 128MB, 20GB, lots of effects, 20 CD's with samples, SCSI, and
one
  > > quadrillion outputs. One problem is it's price tag. He got it for
about
  > > $6250 new. (Prices on gear here in Norway are really terrifying).
Another
  > > thing about this sampler is (something I heard somewhere) that you
can't do
  > > real-time filtering. You have to "re-trig" the sample to make the new
  > > filter-setting active. Don't know if it's true, but if it is, I would
  > > consider that a tremendous limit.
  > > Also considering Akai Sxxx, Yamaha A5000 and other Emu's (6400, Ultra
  > > 6400)... But what I am looking for in a sampler is really that I can
use it
  > > as a sound module like any other synth, and fully control effects and
  > > filters from within Cakewalk. Don't care about onboard sound-editing
tools
  > > as I do that kind of thing in Cool Edit or Recycle.
  > >
  > > Thanks again. Nice having you competent people around :-)
  > >
  > > And hey, don't talk down to the DJX.;-)
  > >
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Bjorn,

Forgot to mention - E-mu has published their Reference Manuals as 
PDFs and made them available free of charge from their web site:

http://www.emu.com/products/archives/archives.html

You can look up the manual for the ESI model your friend has offered 
up and the other E* series models discussed in this thread.

IMO, Ray makes some good points and I concur with his reasoning in 
regards to price vs. performance. Why else would E-mu market a half 
dozen variations of the same thing?

Oh, and he's also correct regarding real time control of filter cutoff
values on E-mu samplers and the Resonance settings. Filter Cutoof can 
be adjusted/modulated in real time. Resonance is set 
at note-on. However, the depth amount can be adjusted via velocity, 
i.e., at note-on the Rez value can be set depending on key 
velocity.

Good luck,

Jon

--- In AN1x-list@y..., RayMaxer <digil@d...> wrote:
> Ops , I am sorry for my formatting.
> Ray.
> 
> RayMaxer wrote:
> 
> > Bjorn - that's not truth about EMU's (or sampler's) disability to 
control the
> > filter in real-time.
> > AFAIK there a 'small' problem on EMU's (their ROMplers [Proteus 
2K] too) that
> > RESONANCE can't be changed
> > while the note is on , but filter cutoff frequency can , of 
course.
> > Also - as the sampler won't be your only instrument I'd never 
consider buying
> > Platinum version.
> > I was choosing and making a decision about the sampler during 
last 3 months I
> > think <G>
> > and I came down to E-MU Ultra 6400 and I am going to get it here 
(in Moscow -
> > not the cheapest
> > place to get music eq. too) for about 1650-1700 $ (new) in about 
a week and know
> > what ? I think I get practically
> > the same stuff as Platinum for my needs.
> > Do you need more than 8 outs ? Do you need wordclock input ? Do 
you need 32 Midi
> > INs ?
> > Do you need more than 64 poly in the sampler ?  and so on and so 
on ..
> > Practically everything that is added in Platinum is not very 
useful for me.
> > The only model I was / am taking into accound now is AKAI S3000XL 
, I think ,
> > (though I find its limits really limiting)
> > because of too much people saying to me that the 'coloring' of 
the sound on them
> > is much smaller than on the new
> > S5000/S6000 and Ultra E-MU's (the latest ones have a bit 'cheesy' 
sound as many
> > pro users say). I am not taking
> > 5000/6000's into account because of many problems people are 
telling about ,
> > because of the UI which I think is not
> > great for such a display and so on (and again , the sound).
> > Here were my ideas.
> > Good luck.
> > Ray.
> >
> > Bjørn Standal wrote:
> >
> > > Hi again
> > >
> > > To round up this thread, I would like to thank all you guys for 
answering
> > > and enlightening me on this subject. All responses where 
informative and I
> > > have sort of decided to:
> > >
> > > 1. Get Cakewalk with audio-recording (think 9.0). Make complete 
songs on my
> > > 303/Trinity/DJX and then assign selected tracks (e.g. the 
bassline-track
> > > which originated from the 303) to the AN1X , one at the time, 
to record them
> > > into Cakewalk. The last track designated for the AN1X can be 
used as regular
> > > midi track for real-time tweaking.
> > >
> > > 2. Get a sampler. I haven't decided for soft or hard, but hard 
is more
> > > likely. Somebody I know got the Emu E4 Platinum which is one 
monster of a
> > > sampler, 128MB, 20GB, lots of effects, 20 CD's with samples, 
SCSI, and one
> > > quadrillion outputs. One problem is it's price tag. He got it 
for about
> > > $6250 new. (Prices on gear here in Norway are really 
terrifying). Another
> > > thing about this sampler is (something I heard somewhere) that 
you can't do
> > > real-time filtering. You have to "re-trig" the sample to make 
the new
> > > filter-setting active. Don't know if it's true, but if it is, I 
would
> > > consider that a tremendous limit.
> > > Also considering Akai Sxxx, Yamaha A5000 and other Emu's (6400, 
Ultra
> > > 6400)... But what I am looking for in a sampler is really that 
I can use it
> > > as a sound module like any other synth, and fully control 
effects and
> > > filters from within Cakewalk. Don't care about onboard sound-
editing tools
> > > as I do that kind of thing in Cool Edit or Recycle.
> > >
> > > Thanks again. Nice having you competent people around :-)
> > >
> > > And hey, don't talk down to the DJX.;-)
> > >
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We have an Ultra E6400 and a regular E6400, one big bonus for us on the
Emu's is everytime EMU upgrade their samplers they offer an upgrade path to
owners of the older samplers if you are in the pro range (EOS samplers).
Our E6400 Ultra is 5 years old and was just a basic E6400 when we originally
bought it.  If we had gone the AKAI route we would have ended up buying a
new sampler every couple of years.

BTW I just picked up an MS2000R and I love it, the sounds are really rich,
the filters are really nice too.  I'd say the 12db filter is not as good as
the An1x filter but the 24db filter sounds richer.  Its extremely easy to
program, and the step sequencer is really easy to use.  I'm very happy with
the unit.



Cheers,
Grant Davies
b l u e t u b e p r o d u c t i o n s
http://www.bluetube.com
The new Bluetube Productions Sampler, coming June 2001

  I was choosing and making a decision about the sampler during last 3
months I
  think <G>
  and I came down to E-MU Ultra 6400 and I am going to get it here (in
Moscow -
  not the cheapest
  place to get music eq. too) for about 1650-1700 $ (new) in about a week
and know
  what ? I think I get practically
  the same stuff as Platinum for my needs.
  Do you need more than 8 outs ? Do you need wordclock input ? Do you need
32 Midi
  INs ?
  Do you need more than 64 poly in the sampler ?  and so on and so on ..
  Practically everything that is added in Platinum is not very useful for
me.
  The only model I was / am taking into accound now is AKAI S3000XL , I
think ,
  (though I find its limits really limiting)
  because of too much people saying to me that the 'coloring' of the sound
on them
  is much smaller than on the new
  S5000/S6000 and Ultra E-MU's (the latest ones have a bit 'cheesy' sound as
many
  pro users say). I am not taking
  5000/6000's into account because of many problems people are telling about
,
  because of the UI which I think is not
  great for such a display and so on (and again , the sound).
  Here were my ideas.
  Good luck.
  Ray.


  Bjørn Standal wrote:

  > Hi again
  >
  > To round up this thread, I would like to thank all you guys for
answering
  > and enlightening me on this subject. All responses where informative and
I
  > have sort of decided to:
  >
  > 1. Get Cakewalk with audio-recording (think 9.0). Make complete songs on
my
  > 303/Trinity/DJX and then assign selected tracks (e.g. the bassline-track
  > which originated from the 303) to the AN1X , one at the time, to record
them
  > into Cakewalk. The last track designated for the AN1X can be used as
regular
  > midi track for real-time tweaking.
  >
  > 2. Get a sampler. I haven't decided for soft or hard, but hard is more
  > likely. Somebody I know got the Emu E4 Platinum which is one monster of
a
  > sampler, 128MB, 20GB, lots of effects, 20 CD's with samples, SCSI, and
one
  > quadrillion outputs. One problem is it's price tag. He got it for about
  > $6250 new. (Prices on gear here in Norway are really terrifying).
Another
  > thing about this sampler is (something I heard somewhere) that you can't
do
  > real-time filtering. You have to "re-trig" the sample to make the new
  > filter-setting active. Don't know if it's true, but if it is, I would
  > consider that a tremendous limit.
  > Also considering Akai Sxxx, Yamaha A5000 and other Emu's (6400, Ultra
  > 6400)... But what I am looking for in a sampler is really that I can use
it
  > as a sound module like any other synth, and fully control effects and
  > filters from within Cakewalk. Don't care about onboard sound-editing
tools
  > as I do that kind of thing in Cool Edit or Recycle.
  >
  > Thanks again. Nice having you competent people around :-)
  >
  > And hey, don't talk down to the DJX.;-)
  >
  > Community email addresses:
  >   Post message: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
  >   Subscribe:    AN1x-list-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
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That's a real good point regarding the upgradable EOS 
samplers!.The ESI series hasn't had an OS upgrade in years 
(and probably won't see another!) This was a contributing factor 
to why I chose my ASR-X Pro but, uh-oh, no more Ensoniq! 
Oooops. My next sampler is an EXS24 :-P

Congrats on the MS2KR, Grant!

regards,
Jon

--- In AN1x-list@y..., "Grant Davies" <grant@b...> wrote:
> We have an Ultra E6400 and a regular E6400, one big bonus 
for us on the
> Emu's is everytime EMU upgrade their samplers they offer an 
upgrade path to
> owners of the older samplers if you are in the pro range (EOS 
samplers).
> Our E6400 Ultra is 5 years old and was just a basic E6400 
when we originally
> bought it.  If we had gone the AKAI route we would have ended 
up buying a
> new sampler every couple of years.
> 
> BTW I just picked up an MS2000R and I love it, the sounds are 
really rich,
> the filters are really nice too.  I'd say the 12db filter is not as 
good as
> the An1x filter but the 24db filter sounds richer.  Its extremely 
easy to
> program, and the step sequencer is really easy to use.  I'm very 
happy with
> the unit.
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Grant Davies
> b l u e t u b e p r o d u c t i o n s
> http://www.bluetube.com
> The new Bluetube Productions Sampler, coming June 2001
> 
>   I was choosing and making a decision about the sampler 
during last 3
> months I
>   think <G>
>   and I came down to E-MU Ultra 6400 and I am going to get it 
here (in
> Moscow -
>   not the cheapest
>   place to get music eq. too) for about 1650-1700 $ (new) in 
about a week
> and know
>   what ? I think I get practically
>   the same stuff as Platinum for my needs.
>   Do you need more than 8 outs ? Do you need wordclock input 
? Do you need
> 32 Midi
>   INs ?
>   Do you need more than 64 poly in the sampler ?  and so on 
and so on ..
>   Practically everything that is added in Platinum is not very 
useful for
> me.
>   The only model I was / am taking into accound now is AKAI 
S3000XL , I
> think ,
>   (though I find its limits really limiting)
>   because of too much people saying to me that the 'coloring' of 
the sound
> on them
>   is much smaller than on the new
>   S5000/S6000 and Ultra E-MU's (the latest ones have a bit 
'cheesy' sound as
> many
>   pro users say). I am not taking
>   5000/6000's into account because of many problems people 
are telling about
> ,
>   because of the UI which I think is not
>   great for such a display and so on (and again , the sound).
>   Here were my ideas.
>   Good luck.
>   Ray.
> 
> 
>   Bjørn Standal wrote:
> 
>   > Hi again
>   >
>   > To round up this thread, I would like to thank all you guys for
> answering
>   > and enlightening me on this subject. All responses where 
informative and
> I
>   > have sort of decided to:
>   >
>   > 1. Get Cakewalk with audio-recording (think 9.0). Make 
complete songs on
> my
>   > 303/Trinity/DJX and then assign selected tracks (e.g. the 
bassline-track
>   > which originated from the 303) to the AN1X , one at the time, 
to record
> them
>   > into Cakewalk. The last track designated for the AN1X can 
be used as
> regular
>   > midi track for real-time tweaking.
>   >
>   > 2. Get a sampler. I haven't decided for soft or hard, but hard 
is more
>   > likely. Somebody I know got the Emu E4 Platinum which is 
one monster of
> a
>   > sampler, 128MB, 20GB, lots of effects, 20 CD's with 
samples, SCSI, and
> one
>   > quadrillion outputs. One problem is it's price tag. He got it 
for about
>   > $6250 new. (Prices on gear here in Norway are really 
terrifying).
> Another
>   > thing about this sampler is (something I heard somewhere) 
that you can't
> do
>   > real-time filtering. You have to "re-trig" the sample to make 
the new
>   > filter-setting active. Don't know if it's true, but if it is, I would=

>   > consider that a tremendous limit.
>   > Also considering Akai Sxxx, Yamaha A5000 and other Emu's 
(6400, Ultra
>   > 6400)... But what I am looking for in a sampler is really that I 
can use
> it
>   > as a sound module like any other synth, and fully control 
effects and
>   > filters from within Cakewalk. Don't care about onboard 
sound-editing
> tools
>   > as I do that kind of thing in Cool Edit or Recycle.
>   >
>   > Thanks again. Nice having you competent people around :-)
>   >
>   > And hey, don't talk down to the DJX.;-)
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Actually they did a small upgrade for the ESI series.. I had a ESI32 and
they offered the turbo board which gave it two effects processors, a bunch
of new filters and more outputs.. not a bad board for $400... I do love the
way the EOS can be upgraded though..

Jon do have have or have you played the MS2000 ?  I have to say its one of
the easiest to program boards I've ever had.  Don't get me wrong the An1x
rocks, but the MS2000 is much simpler and although it can't do all the An1x
does, what it does do, it excels at..

I also want to know who went into my box of cables and go every cable and
tied it to every other cable.. I just finished wiring my new studio and If I
have to untangle another cable I'm going to force someone to play a yamaha
PSR....



Cheers,
Grant Davies
b l u e t u b e p r o d u c t i o n s
http://www.bluetube.com
The new Bluetube Productions Sampler, coming June 2001

  -----Original Message-----
  From: jondl_2000@... [mailto:jondl_2000@...]
  Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 9:56 PM
  To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [AN1x-list] Re: OT: EMU Samplers


  That's a real good point regarding the upgradable EOS
  samplers!.The ESI series hasn't had an OS upgrade in years
  (and probably won't see another!) This was a contributing factor
  to why I chose my ASR-X Pro but, uh-oh, no more Ensoniq!
  Oooops. My next sampler is an EXS24 :-P

  Congrats on the MS2KR, Grant!

  regards,
  Jon

  --- In AN1x-list@y..., "Grant Davies" <grant@b...> wrote:
  > We have an Ultra E6400 and a regular E6400, one big bonus
  for us on the
  > Emu's is everytime EMU upgrade their samplers they offer an
  upgrade path to
  > owners of the older samplers if you are in the pro range (EOS
  samplers).
  > Our E6400 Ultra is 5 years old and was just a basic E6400
  when we originally
  > bought it.  If we had gone the AKAI route we would have ended
  up buying a
  > new sampler every couple of years.
  >
  > BTW I just picked up an MS2000R and I love it, the sounds are
  really rich,
  > the filters are really nice too.  I'd say the 12db filter is not as
  good as
  > the An1x filter but the 24db filter sounds richer.  Its extremely
  easy to
  > program, and the step sequencer is really easy to use.  I'm very
  happy with
  > the unit.
  >
  >
  >
  > Cheers,
  > Grant Davies
  > b l u e t u b e p r o d u c t i o n s
  > http://www.bluetube.com
  > The new Bluetube Productions Sampler, coming June 2001
  >
  >   I was choosing and making a decision about the sampler
  during last 3
  > months I
  >   think <G>
  >   and I came down to E-MU Ultra 6400 and I am going to get it
  here (in
  > Moscow -
  >   not the cheapest
  >   place to get music eq. too) for about 1650-1700 $ (new) in
  about a week
  > and know
  >   what ? I think I get practically
  >   the same stuff as Platinum for my needs.
  >   Do you need more than 8 outs ? Do you need wordclock input
  ? Do you need
  > 32 Midi
  >   INs ?
  >   Do you need more than 64 poly in the sampler ?  and so on
  and so on ..
  >   Practically everything that is added in Platinum is not very
  useful for
  > me.
  >   The only model I was / am taking into accound now is AKAI
  S3000XL , I
  > think ,
  >   (though I find its limits really limiting)
  >   because of too much people saying to me that the 'coloring' of
  the sound
  > on them
  >   is much smaller than on the new
  >   S5000/S6000 and Ultra E-MU's (the latest ones have a bit
  'cheesy' sound as
  > many
  >   pro users say). I am not taking
  >   5000/6000's into account because of many problems people
  are telling about
  > ,
  >   because of the UI which I think is not
  >   great for such a display and so on (and again , the sound).
  >   Here were my ideas.
  >   Good luck.
  >   Ray.
  >
  >
  >   Bjørn Standal wrote:
  >
  >   > Hi again
  >   >
  >   > To round up this thread, I would like to thank all you guys for
  > answering
  >   > and enlightening me on this subject. All responses where
  informative and
  > I
  >   > have sort of decided to:
  >   >
  >   > 1. Get Cakewalk with audio-recording (think 9.0). Make
  complete songs on
  > my
  >   > 303/Trinity/DJX and then assign selected tracks (e.g. the
  bassline-track
  >   > which originated from the 303) to the AN1X , one at the time,
  to record
  > them
  >   > into Cakewalk. The last track designated for the AN1X can
  be used as
  > regular
  >   > midi track for real-time tweaking.
  >   >
  >   > 2. Get a sampler. I haven't decided for soft or hard, but hard
  is more
  >   > likely. Somebody I know got the Emu E4 Platinum which is
  one monster of
  > a
  >   > sampler, 128MB, 20GB, lots of effects, 20 CD's with
  samples, SCSI, and
  > one
  >   > quadrillion outputs. One problem is it's price tag. He got it
  for about
  >   > $6250 new. (Prices on gear here in Norway are really
  terrifying).
  > Another
  >   > thing about this sampler is (something I heard somewhere)
  that you can't
  > do
  >   > real-time filtering. You have to "re-trig" the sample to make
  the new
  >   > filter-setting active. Don't know if it's true, but if it is, I
would=

  >   > consider that a tremendous limit.
  >   > Also considering Akai Sxxx, Yamaha A5000 and other Emu's
  (6400, Ultra
  >   > 6400)... But what I am looking for in a sampler is really that I
  can use
  > it
  >   > as a sound module like any other synth, and fully control
  effects and
  >   > filters from within Cakewalk. Don't care about onboard
  sound-editing
  > tools
  >   > as I do that kind of thing in Cool Edit or Recycle.
  >   >
  >   > Thanks again. Nice having you competent people around :-)
  >   >
  >   > And hey, don't talk down to the DJX.;-)
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Hi there...

I'm using Cake 9.0 for controlling the Sw1000xg and the plg150an with 
theawesome pieces of music software never realised: XGEDIT and 
AN1XEDIT.

Well, using the PLG I'm in a good mess. When I load a Bank into the 
PLG AN1XEdit, I'm must to
double-clic a sound (in the panel of the AN1XEdit) for hearing the 
sound. If I do not perfom this operation, I hear only the Sw1000XG. I 
cannot understand the correct sequence for using the PLG. 

I would like to load a bank and then use it from cake changing the 
different patches and hearing the different sound contained on the 
bank loaded into the AN1XEdit.

Please if anybody could help me I will be agreed. Please, I want to 
use all my system (soft/hard) and compose!!!. The potencial of all 
the system is awesome and I cannot use it !!!!..... :-(( (Because my 
low knowledgement).

I've too little doubts about SysEx and Thru configurations but
think will be good.

(In exchange of knowledgement, I'm Microsoft Certified System 
Engineer and Trainer specialized on NT/2000 Enviroments, if could be 
useful for anybody, please tell me about privately please, not in 
this public area).

Enjoy !!

Please, if anybody is using this hardware with the software I'm 
using, any
help will be very agreed.

Thanks in advance.

Gary: Your work is awesome. When I be able to use them properly I 
will enjoy !!! ;-)). Now, I'm not using them with all its power 
because configuration and knowledgement problems. Please, be patient 
with us (with me, at least ;-))).

--- In AN1x-list@y..., "Grant Davies" <grant@b...> wrote:
> Actually they did a small upgrade for the ESI series.. I had a 
ESI32 and
> they offered the turbo board which gave it two effects processors, 
a bunch
> of new filters and more outputs.. not a bad board for $400... I do 
love the
> way the EOS can be upgraded though..

That was the point I tried to make (obviously not well enough): 
Upgradable OS' are a real boon to the user. But you get what you pay 
for so no one should be surprised that a $599 ESI2000 doesn't see OS 
upgrades like a $1599 E5K Ultra would ;-)

> 
> Jon do have have or have you played the MS2000 ?  I have to say its 
one of
> the easiest to program boards I've ever had.  Don't get me wrong 
the An1x
> rocks, but the MS2000 is much simpler and although it can't do all 
the An1x
> does, what it does do, it excels at..

It's been months since I've played one and I liked it very much. I 
thought Korg nailed the user inteface - much better than Roland did 
with the JP8000 (I compare them because they struck me as similar, 
old school type interfaces.) How do you feel about the MS2K Filter 
and Depth settings? I'd read some hoopla on the 'net but couldn't 
discern how much of it was genuine vs. crapola?

I'm on record as being a fan of the Nord Lead 2. I _love_ that user 
interface! In particular, layering and synchronizing Arppegiated 
sounds. I wish the AN1x had an Arp/Seq per Scene - that would be 
awesome. *AND* they should have replaced the parameter select knob 
with a column of illuminated buttons - like the A3000 (*AND* decent 
display too!)

> 
> I also want to know who went into my box of cables and go every 
cable and
> tied it to every other cable.. I just finished wiring my new studio 
and If I
> have to untangle another cable I'm going to force someone to play a 
yamaha
> PSR....


Oooops ;-) I've been found out! Please, please not the PSR - not 
agaiiiinnnn. Aaaaah!

regards,

Jon

> 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Grant Davies
> b l u e t u b e p r o d u c t i o n s
> http://www.bluetube.com
> The new Bluetube Productions Sampler, coming June 2001
> 
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: jondl_2000@y... [mailto:jondl_2000@y...]
>   Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 9:56 PM
>   To: AN1x-list@y...
>   Subject: [AN1x-list] Re: OT: EMU Samplers
> 
> 
>   That's a real good point regarding the upgradable EOS
>   samplers!.The ESI series hasn't had an OS upgrade in years
>   (and probably won't see another!) This was a contributing factor
>   to why I chose my ASR-X Pro but, uh-oh, no more Ensoniq!
>   Oooops. My next sampler is an EXS24 :-P
> 
>   Congrats on the MS2KR, Grant!
> 
>   regards,
>   Jon
> 
>   --- In AN1x-list@y..., "Grant Davies" <grant@b...> wrote:
>   > We have an Ultra E6400 and a regular E6400, one big bonus
>   for us on the
>   > Emu's is everytime EMU upgrade their samplers they offer an
>   upgrade path to
>   > owners of the older samplers if you are in the pro range (EOS
>   samplers).
>   > Our E6400 Ultra is 5 years old and was just a basic E6400
>   when we originally
>   > bought it.  If we had gone the AKAI route we would have ended
>   up buying a
>   > new sampler every couple of years.
>   >
>   > BTW I just picked up an MS2000R and I love it, the sounds are
>   really rich,
>   > the filters are really nice too.  I'd say the 12db filter is 
not as
>   good as
>   > the An1x filter but the 24db filter sounds richer.  Its 
extremely
>   easy to
>   > program, and the step sequencer is really easy to use.  I'm very
>   happy with
>   > the unit.
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > Cheers,
>   > Grant Davies
>   > b l u e t u b e p r o d u c t i o n s
>   > http://www.bluetube.com
>   > The new Bluetube Productions Sampler, coming June 2001
>   >
>   >   I was choosing and making a decision about the sampler
>   during last 3
>   > months I
>   >   think <G>
>   >   and I came down to E-MU Ultra 6400 and I am going to get it
>   here (in
>   > Moscow -
>   >   not the cheapest
>   >   place to get music eq. too) for about 1650-1700 $ (new) in
>   about a week
>   > and know
>   >   what ? I think I get practically
>   >   the same stuff as Platinum for my needs.
>   >   Do you need more than 8 outs ? Do you need wordclock input
>   ? Do you need
>   > 32 Midi
>   >   INs ?
>   >   Do you need more than 64 poly in the sampler ?  and so on
>   and so on ..
>   >   Practically everything that is added in Platinum is not very
>   useful for
>   > me.
>   >   The only model I was / am taking into accound now is AKAI
>   S3000XL , I
>   > think ,
>   >   (though I find its limits really limiting)
>   >   because of too much people saying to me that the 'coloring' of
>   the sound
>   > on them
>   >   is much smaller than on the new
>   >   S5000/S6000 and Ultra E-MU's (the latest ones have a bit
>   'cheesy' sound as
>   > many
>   >   pro users say). I am not taking
>   >   5000/6000's into account because of many problems people
>   are telling about
>   > ,
>   >   because of the UI which I think is not
>   >   great for such a display and so on (and again , the sound).
>   >   Here were my ideas.
>   >   Good luck.
>   >   Ray.
>   >
>   >
>   >   Bjørn Standal wrote:
>   >
>   >   > Hi again
>   >   >
>   >   > To round up this thread, I would like to thank all you guys 
for
>   > answering
>   >   > and enlightening me on this subject. All responses where
>   informative and
>   > I
>   >   > have sort of decided to:
>   >   >
>   >   > 1. Get Cakewalk with audio-recording (think 9.0). Make
>   complete songs on
>   > my
>   >   > 303/Trinity/DJX and then assign selected tracks (e.g. the
>   bassline-track
>   >   > which originated from the 303) to the AN1X , one at the 
time,
>   to record
>   > them
>   >   > into Cakewalk. The last track designated for the AN1X can
>   be used as
>   > regular
>   >   > midi track for real-time tweaking.
>   >   >
>   >   > 2. Get a sampler. I haven't decided for soft or hard, but 
hard
>   is more
>   >   > likely. Somebody I know got the Emu E4 Platinum which is
>   one monster of
>   > a
>   >   > sampler, 128MB, 20GB, lots of effects, 20 CD's with
>   samples, SCSI, and
>   > one
>   >   > quadrillion outputs. One problem is it's price tag. He got 
it
>   for about
>   >   > $6250 new. (Prices on gear here in Norway are really
>   terrifying).
>   > Another
>   >   > thing about this sampler is (something I heard somewhere)
>   that you can't
>   > do
>   >   > real-time filtering. You have to "re-trig" the sample to 
make
>   the new
>   >   > filter-setting active. Don't know if it's true, but if it 
is, I
> would=
> 
>   >   > consider that a tremendous limit.
>   >   > Also considering Akai Sxxx, Yamaha A5000 and other Emu's
>   (6400, Ultra
>   >   > 6400)... But what I am looking for in a sampler is really 
that I
>   can use
>   > it
>   >   > as a sound module like any other synth, and fully control
>   effects and
>   >   > filters from within Cakewalk. Don't care about onboard
>   sound-editing
>   > tools
>   >   > as I do that kind of thing in Cool Edit or Recycle.
>   >   >
>   >   > Thanks again. Nice having you competent people around :-)
>   >   >
>   >   > And hey, don't talk down to the DJX.;-)
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It's been months since I've played one and I liked it very much. I
thought Korg nailed the user inteface - much better than Roland did
with the JP8000 (I compare them because they struck me as similar,
old school type interfaces.) How do you feel about the MS2K Filter
and Depth settings? I'd read some hoopla on the 'net but couldn't
discern how much of it was genuine vs. crapola?


we have both a JP8080 and I'd say the MS2000 is a little fatter, its more
like a juno or jupiter on steroids.. (My juno has a voice out again so its
in the naughty synth corner right now) very fat and very easy to peak out
your meter on.. I use digital effects but I'm going to put a compressor on
this just for safelty...;o)  I like the filters.. the hpf filter rocks as
does the 24db.. I think the 12db filter could have been a bit harsher...

I'm on record as being a fan of the Nord Lead 2. I _love_ that user
interface! In particular, layering and synchronizing Arppegiated
sounds. I wish the AN1x had an Arp/Seq per Scene - that would be
awesome. *AND* they should have replaced the parameter select knob
with a column of illuminated buttons - like the A3000 (*AND* decent
display too!)

We have one a NORD too, my business partner  loves it, I have not played
with it enough to love it, I may take it home one of these nights and get
into it..

cheers
Grant





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