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Does anyone have their AN1x setup to do pitch bend from a pedal?  I've got a
complicated plan, but can't come up with a simple method in the control
matrix.  Any ideas?

This is probably a long shot, but I'm lucky enough to have access to one.

I use a set of v-drums.  I can transmit cc#4, #16, #17, or mod from the
hi-hat pedal.  I COULD use one of these for pitch bend.  The only problem
that I have with it is that there is a limited motion in the pedal, and when
it hits "bottom" it sends out a g#.  It's functional, but limited.  I would
think that you could pass a pedal from a number of other units and force it
to tranmit midi cc, rather than a predefined pedal function, like voume, or
switch on/off.  Another example would be using a pedal with a POD.  Since I
can control the wahwah on the POD with my drum brain hooked up to it via
midi and using the HH pedal, I can only imagine that it passes through there
as cc data.  POD pedals also probably have a lot more movement range, as
wahwah needs to have a very contolled sound or it sounds like crap.

I don't know if you have ready access to any of these types of units, but
this worked for me, and only struck me in my sleep as an idea (not really,
but I thought it was a pretty creative one, anyway).

Hope that helps,
Blades

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed Edwards" <edward.edwards@...>
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Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 11:04 PM
Subject: [AN1x-list] Pitch bend from a pedal


> Does anyone have their AN1x setup to do pitch bend from a pedal?  I've got
a

> complicated plan, but can't come up with a simple method in the control
> matrix.  Any ideas?
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--- In AN1x-list@y..., "Ed Edwards" <edward.edwards@v...> wrote:
> Does anyone have their AN1x setup to do pitch bend from a pedal?  


Ed:

I tried it. I have two methods, and one of them I would 
recommend. Ideally, there would be a third way, but the AN1X doesn't 
support it.... And I have a related question for assiduous readers of 
the owners manual.

methods one and two are below:

I am using a Roland EV5 continous pedal for this task. Note this 
pedal has no center indent and doesn't swing back to center (that is 
to say, it behaves like the mod wheel, not the pitch wheel).

Method One - In control matrix, set up a parameter set for VCO1 pitch 
and assign FC (foot control) as the source. Repeat for VCO2. This 
give you the option of choosing "direct" as the amount of pitch 
bending, which would be bi-directional.

Method Two - In control matrix, set up a parameter set for Pitch up ( 
pitch down), and assign foot control as the source. 

The weakness of method two is that you only get unidirectional pitch 
bends (up or down) but it is much more effective than method 1, 
because most footpedals are not center sprung. I tried method one and 
found it irritating to try to master.

Ok, now about the 3rd way and my question. MIDI controller #96 is the 
default midi controller for pitch bend. The AN1x does not support it. 
If it did, it would enable you to pedal based pitch-bends without 
having to edit your patches. Shame about that.

MY QUESTION:
On page 9 of the data book there is a table with control change 
modes. My an1x appears to respect the CC messages on the left hand 
side of the table (mode 1) but not those on the right hand side (mode 
2). Is there some way to switch the mode of the synth? What does this 
mean?

Cheers,

Jerry

>Ok, now about the 3rd way and my question. MIDI controller #96 is the
>default midi controller for pitch bend. The AN1x does not support it.
>If it did, it would enable you to pedal based pitch-bends without
>having to edit your patches. Shame about that.

Very few keyboards support pitch bend on CC#96.  From my personal arsenal, 
I can verify that in addition to the AN1x, the Alesis S4, Roland D-50, KORG 
CX-3, and Voce V3 do not.

Regards,

-BW

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> Very few keyboards support pitch bend on CC#96.  

Oops. Sorry. My mistake. 

It is not a midi standard. In fact it is just listed as a value 
increment. My Roland & Korg romplers support it as pitch bend, but 
the Kurzweil doesn't.

Cheers,

Jerry

PS: So what is this MODE 2 in the control change table? Anyone know?

Jerry ,
As I remember in MODE 2 much more CC#'s are linked to different AN1x
parameters (are hardwired). (I think that all sound params get their CC in
fact)
Ray.

Jerry wrote:

> > Very few keyboards support pitch bend on CC#96.
>
> Oops. Sorry. My mistake.
>
> It is not a midi standard. In fact it is just listed as a value
> increment. My Roland & Korg romplers support it as pitch bend, but
> the Kurzweil doesn't.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jerry
>
> PS: So what is this MODE 2 in the control change table? Anyone know?
>
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Hi Ed/Jerry

Suggested method (1) will be almost impossible to use ...I have never come
across a pedal that has a centre position (but maybe I haven't been looking
too hard). Also assigning a controller to VCO1/VCO2 pitch in control Matrix
is not valid (according to the An1x specs! Although you can directly assign
the Foot Control to change either VCO1 or VCO2 tune via the system setup)

Method 2 is the only practical way to achieve the result (i.e. assign a
controller to perform Pitch up or Pitch down)...but as Jerry points out.....
you can only have unidirectional bend :-(

>>MIDI controller #96 is the default midi controller for pitch bend.

Nope ...#96 is data increment. Pitch bend is not a CC it has its own message
status type (Ex) and is followed by a 14bit MSB/LSB value.

If you can't live with unidirectional Pitch bend, then the only answer is to
use some external software to map your foot controller to pitch bend
messages.

Regarding Jerry's question about configuring the controller change mode of
the An1x...refer to page 96 of the manual. Basically turn off the power,
then power on whilst holding ASSIGN. The LCD should show the mode being
activated (i.e. mode 1 or mode2).

Regards

Gary
Email:
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Hello Ed, Jerry and Gary, I have seen this post and I have a roland EV-5
volume (CV) Pedal, I also have a peavey Midi controller (16 programmable
faders), so I thought I'd see if I could do what you want to do and you
can, very easily.  If you are using VST 5 it would be easy to do as
well.

I checked out the values that XG-edit and AN-edit send for PB and it is
0-127 on both, that makes it simple.  The message you need to send is:

Ex 00 YY


where x= channel 1-16(0-F hex), 00=PB and YY is the value that is sent,
0-F7 hex (0-127)

I hope this helps.



In article <NOENKHDAGJMAKPCEDIELMENCCAAA.gary@...>, Gary Gregson
<gary@...> writes
>Hi Ed/Jerry
>
>Suggested method (1) will be almost impossible to use ...I have never come
>across a pedal that has a centre position (but maybe I haven't been looking
>too hard). Also assigning a controller to VCO1/VCO2 pitch in control Matrix
>is not valid (according to the An1x specs! Although you can directly assign
>the Foot Control to change either VCO1 or VCO2 tune via the system setup)
>
>Method 2 is the only practical way to achieve the result (i.e. assign a
>controller to perform Pitch up or Pitch down)...but as Jerry points out.....
>you can only have unidirectional bend :-(
>
>>>MIDI controller #96 is the default midi controller for pitch bend.
>
>Nope ...#96 is data increment. Pitch bend is not a CC it has its own message
>status type (Ex) and is followed by a 14bit MSB/LSB value.
>
>If you can't live with unidirectional Pitch bend, then the only answer is to
>use some external software to map your foot controller to pitch bend
>messages.
>
>Regarding Jerry's question about configuring the controller change mode of
>the An1x...refer to page 96 of the manual. Basically turn off the power,
>then power on whilst holding ASSIGN. The LCD should show the mode being
>activated (i.e. mode 1 or mode2).
>
>Regards
>
>Gary
>Email:
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>     http://www.yme.co.uk/yme
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See ya,

Reggie

In article <JculgRAplXr6EwZs@...>, Reggie <reggie@the
3rdtone.demon.co.uk> writes
>Hello Ed, Jerry and Gary, I have seen this post and I have a roland EV-5
>volume (CV) Pedal, I also have a peavey Midi controller (16 programmable
>faders), so I thought I'd see if I could do what you want to do and you
>can, very easily.  If you are using VST 5 it would be easy to do as
>well.
>
>I checked out the values that XG-edit and AN-edit send for PB and it is
>0-127 on both, that makes it simple.  The message you need to send is:
>
>Ex 00 YY
>
>
>where x= channel 1-16(0-F hex), 00=PB and YY is the value that is sent,
>0-F7 hex (0-127)
Whoops, that last line should have read 0-7F hex (0-127), sorry for any
confusion there! :)

See ya,

Reggie

Mode 2... where's my manual?  It's an easy switch to Mode 2 through certain
keys down during power on.

Ok, found the manual.  Yes, right there in the index, "Control Change
Modes".

Hold down Assign during a power on and then choose Mode 2.


Ed Edwards

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From: "Jerry" <jerrya3@...>
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Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 1:21 PM
Subject: [AN1x-list] Re: Pitch bend from a pedal


> > Very few keyboards support pitch bend on CC#96.
>
> Oops. Sorry. My mistake.
>
> It is not a midi standard. In fact it is just listed as a value
> increment. My Roland & Korg romplers support it as pitch bend, but
> the Kurzweil doesn't.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jerry
>
> PS: So what is this MODE 2 in the control change table? Anyone know?
>
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I concur, Jerry.  It is impossible to assign pitch up/down to anything other
than the pitch wheel, unless the default controller has been changed in the
Utility/Setup matrix.

Ed Edwards


----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Gregson" <gary@...>
To: <AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 2:56 PM
Subject: RE: [AN1x-list] Re: Pitch bend from a pedal


> Hi Ed/Jerry
>
> Suggested method (1) will be almost impossible to use ...I have never come
> across a pedal that has a centre position (but maybe I haven't been
looking
> too hard). Also assigning a controller to VCO1/VCO2 pitch in control
Matrix
> is not valid (according to the An1x specs! Although you can directly
assign
> the Foot Control to change either VCO1 or VCO2 tune via the system setup)
>
> Method 2 is the only practical way to achieve the result (i.e. assign a
> controller to perform Pitch up or Pitch down)...but as Jerry points
out.....
> you can only have unidirectional bend :-(
>
> >>MIDI controller #96 is the default midi controller for pitch bend.
>
> Nope ...#96 is data increment. Pitch bend is not a CC it has its own
message
> status type (Ex) and is followed by a 14bit MSB/LSB value.
>
> If you can't live with unidirectional Pitch bend, then the only answer is
to

> use some external software to map your foot controller to pitch bend
> messages.
>
> Regarding Jerry's question about configuring the controller change mode of
> the An1x...refer to page 96 of the manual. Basically turn off the power,
> then power on whilst holding ASSIGN. The LCD should show the mode being
> activated (i.e. mode 1 or mode2).
>
> Regards
>
> Gary
> Email:
>      gary@...
>      http://www.yme.co.uk/yme
>
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