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I agree... they're not that big... but what you could do is zip them up after a
few months, *all* the files that you have uploaded, or maybe even make one bank
from all the single patches that were uploaded... it remains 220kb no matter
how many patches are in the bank.

Other opinions?

Joel


Scott Gibbons wrote:

> >I'm about to lost my freaking mind trying to zip some patches so that
> >I can upload them on to the site. Any suggestions on easiest way to
> >zip an AN file? I'm new to zipping files. Thanks.
>
> After having some nightmarish experiences at work last week with compressed
> files (yeah, you DO run the risk of losing data when you compress files -
> that's what compression does!) I gotta wonder why we're compressing these
> files anyway. They're not that big, so what's the deal? I also wonder about
> using the ZIP protocol since that's a compression designed for Windows. Any
> kind of raw sysex file would be cross-platform.... er, I guess it would
> more accurately be "not platform-specific."
>
> opinions?
>
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Scott Gibbons wrote:

>
> >I'm about to lost my freaking mind trying to zip some patches so that
> >I can upload them on to the site. Any suggestions on easiest way to
> >zip an AN file? I'm new to zipping files. Thanks.
>
> After having some nightmarish experiences at work last week with compressed
> files (yeah, you DO run the risk of losing data when you compress files -
> that's what compression does!) I gotta wonder why we're compressing these
> files anyway. They're not that big, so what's the deal?

Obviously it saves storage space which permits us to maximize the
quantity of files we store in our 20 MB allocation. We don't *have* to
compress the files but keep in mind it also reduces the amount of time
necessary to perform a download. Many of us here in the U.S. probably
pay a flat fee for for our ISP that permits for unlimited connection
times so it's no big deal. However, many of our European counterparts
pay by the minute. In their case I'm sure they would rather download a
file that had been compressed than uncompressed.

I also wonder about

> using the ZIP protocol since that's a compression designed for Windows. Any
> kind of raw sysex file would be cross-platform.... er, I guess it would
> more accurately be "not platform-specific."

Raw SysEx is fine for me and probably many others but .an1 format is
fairly established as the format for AN1x Voices. After all, the
application is stable, free, and widely used by the AN1x Community. I
doubt anyone will mind if you'd rather upload your files as .mid or .syx
so long as it is documented as such. :-)

Regarding the .zip format. Well, most Macintosh users have Stuffit
Expander installed on their Mac by default which readily accommodates
uncompressing Zip files. Although DropStuff does not accommodate .zip
compression Stuffit Deluxe does. Furthermore, ZipIt - a fine little
shareware program - also accommodates .zip on the Mac. That said, .sit is
the standard for Mac users - not .zip. Aladdin makes a freeware Stuffit
Expander for Windows that is readily available. Either format can be
accommodate by users of Mac's or Windows with little fuss. Since there
are more Windows users than Mac user it's not much of a debate which
format is more common. The only files I've posted as .sit are *Mac
specific* applications. Win users aren't going to run these anyway so
it's no big deal.

As for data loss - you are correct in that it is always a concern. In
my experience though compressed Audio files are more susceptible to data
loss than SysEx files. In the past 18 months I've posted and downloaded
.an1 voices I've yet to encounter a significant error with any .an1 file
that has been Zipped or Stuffed. Oh, wait a minute - that's not
entirely tru. I have .mid file from Yamaha - the 'Wired' voice set for
sale from Yamaha UK - that doesn't load to the AN1x without Checksum
errors. That's really about the only glitch I've seen.

If their is a majority opinion on the list NOT to use compression by all
means that's fine. Keep in mind that we will need to sacrifice some of
the files in our files section to accommodate the larger growth.

IMO, it's not worth giving up the benefits of compressed files for fear
of potential data loss.

Regards,
Jon

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Scott Gibbons wrote:

>
> >loss than SysEx files. In the past 18 months I've posted and downloaded
> >.an1 voices I've yet to encounter a significant error with any .an1 file
> >that has been Zipped or Stuffed. Oh, wait a minute - that's not
>
> Cool, that's what I was hoping to hear from someone. I don't download many
> patches, but having recently scored a DX7 (there are approximately 30,000
> patches on the internet for this thing!!) I downloaded a bunch of those -
> most of which were zipped - and had problems with a few. But only the
> zipped ones. Being such an ancient instrument (1983 - was Windows even
> around at that time?) some of these may have been zipped with an early data
> compression tool somewhere down the line and that may have been what
> introduced some glitches and errors.

That's a VERY good point regarding the age of the .zip files. Every
compression tool on the market - freeware, shareware, or commercial -
has undergone updates over the years. There was an instance last year
where Stuffit Expand v5.x (don't remember the release number) had a
significant problem decompressing v4.x archives. it was fixed with a
release level upgrade (this was prior to v5.5) but what a pain in the
neck! You may want to search around someplace like ZDNet for an older
release of whatever compression software you use to see if that helps
recover the old archives. The only downside to this tact is that older
versions MAY not run under a newer OS :-/

>
> Are compressed AN1/MIDI/sysex files really much smaller? Had anyone A-B'd
> the difference? No biggie, just curious...
>

No, I've not paid too much attention. I have noticed a big difference in
size between self extracting archives vs. non self extracting archive
though. I've also noticed that .zip files are smaller than .sit files.
Even though text files that have been .zipped may have a problem on
Mac's I've decided it's not worth the extra space used to offer both
options. All my Mac specific files are .hqx encoded rather than
.sea.hqx to save on space.

We're pretty OT at this pointing the discussion. If you'd like to carry
on just email me off-line :-)

Jon

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