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*suppressing the urge to punch someone*

im sick of the Mac Vs PC discussion.....everything you've heard is bullshit 
about which is better-it comes down to how much money you have and what you 
like.....you can have a better mac thats better than most PC's if you have 
$5000 and visa versa......the only time i ever had problems with windows is 
when *i* didnt know how to use it properly (with the exception of crashing 
once in a while, which happens the same amount of the time with Mac-trust me, 
i work in a studio with about 50 of G3's and G4's)

and your little comment about drivers-wahhhh, so i gotta go download a 500k 
file, woopdie do!  at least i dont have to upgrade my OS ever 10 minutes 
(so....how is OSX anyways? AHHAHAHHAHAHHA)


Now, on to Beta and VHS.....

the Beta that he is talking about is for production, not home use....Beta 
*IS* much better than VHS and is used by most news crews, etc (that arent 
using DV)....The quality is much better due to the fact that it's much wider 
than VHS, you can fit more info onto it....it's kinda like the difference 
between 16mm and 35mm in film...


ash

(Now seriously way Off-Topic...but aint it fun!) :-)

Hi Ash,

Actually, the "Beta" I was refering to in my light-hearted "Beta vs VHS
Debate" was the domestic "Betamax" available during the 1980's, which was
technically superior to VHS. Unfortunately, more consumers bought the VHS
format and Betamax was forced out of production.

The Beta I expect you're referring to is the broadcast quality "Betacam" or
"BetacamSP" or "Digital Betacam", which is, as you stated, dramatically
better than VHS (and Betamax, for that matter)!

Just wanted to make sure that I wasn't misunderstood about an totally
off-topic debate that laid to rest around 15 years ago. ;-)

Now back to music...

Which is better:

Cubase or Logic?
Roland or Korg?
Rock or Dance?

Now if everyone liked the same thing, wouldn't the world be a boring place!

Phil :-)

From: angelphkt@...
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Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 05:40:49 EST
To: AN1x-list@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [AN1x-list] Digest Number 300


*suppressing the urge to punch someone*

im sick of the Mac Vs PC discussion.....everything you've heard is bullshit
about which is better-it comes down to how much money you have and what you
like.....you can have a better mac thats better than most PC's if you have
$5000 and visa versa......the only time i ever had problems with windows is
when *i* didnt know how to use it properly (with the exception of crashing
once in a while, which happens the same amount of the time with Mac-trust
me, 
i work in a studio with about 50 of G3's and G4's)

and your little comment about drivers-wahhhh, so i gotta go download a 500k
file, woopdie do!  at least i dont have to upgrade my OS ever 10 minutes
(so....how is OSX anyways? AHHAHAHHAHAHHA)


Now, on to Beta and VHS.....

the Beta that he is talking about is for production, not home use....Beta
*IS* much better than VHS and is used by most news crews, etc (that arent
using DV)....The quality is much better due to the fact that it's much wider
than VHS, you can fit more info onto it....it's kinda like the difference
between 16mm and 35mm in film...


ash

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--- In AN1x-list@egroups.com, Phil <accession@o...> wrote:
> (Now seriously way Off-Topic...but aint it fun!) :-)
> 

> 
> Now back to music...
> 
> Which is better:
> 
> Cubase or Logic?
> Roland or Korg?
> Rock or Dance?
> 
> Now if everyone liked the same thing, wouldn't the world be a boring place!

Phil, have you been listening to Groove Armada again? ;-) "If 
everyboday looked the same, we'd grow tired of looking at each other."


Seriously, though. I've never seen anybody turn off their radio or not 
buy a CD becuase of what software/hardware was used to record the 
performance.

Oh, wait a minute, that's not entirely true...waaaaaaaaay back in the 
early/mid 80's, when CDs were a new consumer item, I was running a 
retail record store (anybody remember vinyl?) and we had a customer who 
insisted that he was holding out for the release of a 'DDD' (Digital 
Recording - Digital Mixing - Digital Mastering) version of a Pink Floyd 
album - "Wish You Were Here" to be specific - on Compact Disc.

There was no persuading him that the 'AAD' (analog recording - analog 
mixed and digitally mastered) was all she wrote. As far as he was 
concerned Capitol records was going to digitally record and rerelease 
'Wish You Were Here' - no two ways about it! No explanation of the 
recording, mixing, and mastering process was sufficient to convince him 
otherwise.   *sigh*   When someone is *that* convinced they're "right" 
there's no opportunity to learn. A little misinformation goes a long 
way...;-)

regards,
Jon

At 02:01 AM 1/9/01 +0000, you wrote:
>
> > Which is better:
> >
> > Cubase or Logic?


Cakewalk. :)

> > Roland or Korg?

Ahem, ahem, isn't this a *YAMAHA* AN1x list?

> > Rock or Dance?

Soul...




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Hi there everyone,
I've got to say something here just to make a logical point,
When Pink floyd recorded their:
"Wish you were here" Album
there was NO Digital recording devices 
to make a pure 24 track digital !!!
Also, you can hear the "Hiss" of the Studer 24 track
Analog they used and mixed it to the 2 track "Tube" studer.
I've got a friend that was an engineer in 
England in those days - 70's and he also told me
that there was no other than 3M 24 track digital machine 
that came out late in the 70's (1979) 
and even the 3M didn't have a "real" digital all thru it.
God, you guys make me feel so old when you say
"waaaaaaaaay back " !
Now, what about the AN1X ?
Is anybody here using it creativly ?

Leo



jondl@... wrote:

> 
> --- In AN1x-list@egroups.com, Phil <accession@o...> wrote:
> > (Now seriously way Off-Topic...but aint it fun!) :-)
> >
> 
> >
> > Now back to music...
> >
> > Which is better:
> >
> > Cubase or Logic?
> > Roland or Korg?
> > Rock or Dance?
> >
> > Now if everyone liked the same thing, wouldn't the world be a boring place!
> 
> Phil, have you been listening to Groove Armada again? ;-) "If
> everyboday looked the same, we'd grow tired of looking at each other."
> 
> Seriously, though. I've never seen anybody turn off their radio or not
> buy a CD becuase of what software/hardware was used to record the
> performance.
> 
> Oh, wait a minute, that's not entirely true...waaaaaaaaay back in the
> early/mid 80's, when CDs were a new consumer item, I was running a
> retail record store (anybody remember vinyl?) and we had a customer who
> insisted that he was holding out for the release of a 'DDD' (Digital
> Recording - Digital Mixing - Digital Mastering) version of a Pink Floyd
> album - "Wish You Were Here" to be specific - on Compact Disc.
> 
> There was no persuading him that the 'AAD' (analog recording - analog
> mixed and digitally mastered) was all she wrote. As far as he was
> concerned Capitol records was going to digitally record and rerelease
> 'Wish You Were Here' - no two ways about it! No explanation of the
> recording, mixing, and mastering process was sufficient to convince him
> otherwise.   *sigh*   When someone is *that* convinced they're "right"
> there's no opportunity to learn. A little misinformation goes a long
> way...;-)
> 
> regards,
> Jon
> 
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--- In AN1x-list@egroups.com, leo <tubeman@d...> wrote:
> Hi there everyone,
> I've got to say something here just to make a logical point,
> When Pink floyd recorded their:
> "Wish you were here" Album
> there was NO Digital recording devices 
> to make a pure 24 track digital !!!

That was exactly my point to my customer ;-) He didn't get it...digital 
was "better" than analog therefore a digital recording of "Wish you 
were here" was necessary...see what happens when the subject of "better 
than x, y, or z" comes up?

> God, you guys make me feel so old when you say
> "waaaaaaaaay back " !

Oooops, sorry about that. And here I was afraid of dating myself - 
didn't think how anybody might feel. 

> Now, what about the AN1X ?
> Is anybody here using it creativly ?

No, not this week - obviously ;-) Although the idea for new monthly 
patch submissions is a good one...

Jon

Hey Jon
I was in the discussion of which is better
Digital or Analog since the 80's...
I think that when it comes to recording tracks
I'll take the analog over digital for the warmth, Punch and
the "glue" effect it has over the music tracks.
But...
The digital has the "Almost Perfect mirror" effect
on the recording tracks and it is great for editing
the tracks on a PC etc.
So,
I think recording to digital first, Editing and transfer to Analog
for the last process = MIX .
When it comes to Synths.
Even I was so amazed at the time the good old DX-7 came out,
I remember spending days at the store playing with this
great Digital synthesizer.
Lucky me, I never sold any of my old Analog synths instead
and I remember working in the studio with my regular setup
that included a Korg P-800, 
and a DX-7 surrounded by Roland SH-101,MC-202 and a TB-303..wow
in those days no one thought that something like AN1X
will ever be available.
I like the AN1X for what it is 
even though it is not Analog
it is a totaly different and unique synth.
Sometimes when you try to achive something -
in the end you get something different.
comparing it to the other VA synths -
it is much more "Analog like" in parameters and sound more like a
good "old" analog poly synth than others VA.
So  idon't see a point of comparing it to any analog.
By the way,
I owned many synthesizers ( started my collection in the 70's)
and the An1z sits in a very respected place in my studio.
It doesn't have the "balls" of the Jupiters but who cares ?

Leo


jondl@... wrote:

> 
> --- In AN1x-list@egroups.com, leo <tubeman@d...> wrote:
> > Hi there everyone,
> > I've got to say something here just to make a logical point,
> > When Pink floyd recorded their:
> > "Wish you were here" Album
> > there was NO Digital recording devices
> > to make a pure 24 track digital !!!
> 
> That was exactly my point to my customer ;-) He didn't get it...digital
> was "better" than analog therefore a digital recording of "Wish you
> were here" was necessary...see what happens when the subject of "better
> than x, y, or z" comes up?
> 
> > God, you guys make me feel so old when you say
> > "waaaaaaaaay back " !
> 
> Oooops, sorry about that. And here I was afraid of dating myself -
> didn't think how anybody might feel.
> 
> > Now, what about the AN1X ?
> > Is anybody here using it creativly ?
> 
> No, not this week - obviously ;-) Although the idea for new monthly
> patch submissions is a good one...
> 
> Jon
> 
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--- In AN1x-list@egroups.com, angelphkt@a... wrote:
> *suppressing the urge to punch someone*

Hey, weren't you the one who called himself a nazi? People don't 
change, really.

If you're so keen on punching someone, just come to Malta and look 
for the tallest person around.

> im sick of the Mac Vs PC discussion.....everything you've heard is 
bullshit 
> about which is better-it comes down to how much money you have and 
what you 
> like.....you can have a better mac thats better than most PC's if 
you have 
> $5000 and visa versa......the only time i ever had problems with 
windows is 
> when *i* didnt know how to use it properly (with the exception of 
crashing 
> once in a while, which happens the same amount of the time with Mac-
trust me, 
> i work in a studio with about 50 of G3's and G4's)

No, I don't trust you, no offense meant.

My personal experience with Macs is that they crash at random 
actions, like browsing the internet. Now both MacOS and Netscape 
aren't commonly known to be cleanly written, so that's not very 
surprising.

And hardly anyone spends USD 5000 on a computer. Most people have a 
budget, and a PC generally offers more bang for the buck than a Mac. 
This means, however, that you have a system of a lower overall 
quality, simply because it's constructed out of cheaper components. 
This has a direct effect on stability.

Take, for instance, some soundcards that don't work properly with an 
AMD Athlon, because they work outside of the PCI spec; something they 
can get away with on an Intel platform. And those soundcards aren't 
even cheap.

But that was not what my mail was about, was it? The fact was that 
someone was interested in a Mac, and that the immediate reply is "buy 
a PC 'cause it's cheaper and faster, just look at that very high 
number with Mhz behind it".

The Mac is more user friendly, and the GUI is definitely better 
thought out. Some features I recognise from the Amiga (they were 
called AppIcons there), but I've yet to see them on Windows.

> and your little comment about drivers-wahhhh, so i gotta go 
download a 500k 
> file, woopdie do!  at least i dont have to upgrade my OS ever 10 
minutes 
> (so....how is OSX anyways? AHHAHAHHAHAHHA)

Downloading a driver for your non-working network component is no fun.

At least MacOS the same OS, with a minimum version required for some 
specific kind of software. It upgrades in a linear fashion.

If you're talking about Windows, do you mean 3.1, NT 3.51, 95, NT 
4.0, 95 OSR2, 98, 98SE, 2000 or ME? With or without the desktop 
upgrade, if applicable? Which service pack? Which version of IE? 
Seven different OS's in about as many years is quite impressive.

Indeed the Mac vs. PC debate is silly, but so is agressively replying
without properly reading or understanding a mail.

- Peter

From: "Peter Korsten" <peterk@...>

> > *suppressing the urge to punch someone*
> Hey, weren't you the one who called himself a nazi? People don't
> change, really.
> If you're so keen on punching someone, just come to Malta and look
> for the tallest person around.

In this case he can use the "plan B: If you want to beat someone taller then
you, just shoot him"......just kidding!! No offense..:-)

> And hardly anyone spends USD 5000 on a computer. Most people have a
> budget, and a PC generally offers more bang for the buck than a Mac.
> This means, however, that you have a system of a lower overall
> quality, simply because it's constructed out of cheaper components.
> This has a direct effect on stability.

Stability....I think that nobody can rely on a computer (PC or Mac) when
playing live. But when you're on a studio you can restart the thing and try
again without any same..:-)

> If you're talking about Windows, do you mean 3.1, NT 3.51, 95, NT
> 4.0, 95 OSR2, 98, 98SE, 2000 or ME? With or without the desktop
> upgrade, if applicable? Which service pack? Which version of IE?
> Seven different OS's in about as many years is quite impressive.

It reminds me about Yamaha....a new synth line every two years....and that's
for the same reason that leads Bill Gates to launch a new Winblows Vs. every
year...GREED, they're hungry for our money, I assume that the Mac crew do
the same...

> Indeed the Mac vs. PC debate is silly, but so is agressively replying
> without properly reading or understanding a mail.

Let's take easier and get back to music, Ok? In fact the Yamaha vs. Roland
debate is much more funny..:-)

Cheers
PinheadX.