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AW: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance

2000-11-13 by Marlon Jürs

Are you nuts??? Commercial trance producers do NOT use sampling-cds for
creating arpeggios!!!!!
It is impossible to create  authentic dynamic filter modulation with it!!! 
Open your ears! 
Do you know "Kay Cee"? Listen to it!!!

Greetings from a commercial trance producer
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Von: "Jonas Nilsson" <josnin98@...>
An: <AN1x-list@egroups.com> 
Betreff: SV: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance 
Datum: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 18:01:38 +0100 

>And don't forget the reverb.. i would combining a gated reverb and another
>one on top.. 
>b.t.w. i think about every analog synth is capable of making trance sound,
>but we all know trance producers only use sample cd's ;)

I agree on the reverb bit and the analogue synth bit, but...
...someone has made those sample cd:s, right?

I use Juno-106 and PLG150-AN for that trance lead with varying results.

Jonas 




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SV: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance

2000-11-14 by Pergamon

M'jello

     Forget about the arpeggio's, make your own sequences. I find that
arpeggio's are almost the "same" on all machines, and you can get a much
better feel, groove, whatever.... with a sequence.

Jan

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> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: Marlon J\ufffdrs [mailto:M.Juers@...]
> Sendt: 13. november 2000 12:22
> Til: AN1x-list@egroups.com
> Emne: AW: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance
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>
> Are you nuts??? Commercial trance producers do NOT use sampling-cds for
> creating arpeggios!!!!!
> It is impossible to create  authentic dynamic filter modulation
> with it!!!
> Open your ears!
> Do you know "Kay Cee"? Listen to it!!!
>
> Greetings from a commercial trance producer
> ----------
> Von: "Jonas Nilsson" <josnin98@...>
> An: <AN1x-list@egroups.com>
> Betreff: SV: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance
> Datum: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 18:01:38 +0100
>
> >And don't forget the reverb.. i would combining a gated reverb
> and another
> >one on top..
> >b.t.w. i think about every analog synth is capable of making
> trance sound,
> >but we all know trance producers only use sample cd's ;)
>
> I agree on the reverb bit and the analogue synth bit, but...
> ...someone has made those sample cd:s, right?
>
> I use Juno-106 and PLG150-AN for that trance lead with varying results.
>
> Jonas
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AW: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance

2000-11-16 by Marlon Jürs

If you think arpeggiators all sound the same, try the following:
Use the arpeggiator for creating good sounding lines. Then play it into
cubase. There you have your sequence. Then you can modulate the lines or
transpose it or whatever! You can also put a shuffle quantize over it. 
You will get some nice effects. 

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Von: "Pergamon" <pergamon@...>
An: <AN1x-list@egroups.com> 
Betreff: SV: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance 
Datum: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 05:37:50 +0100 

M'jello

     Forget about the arpeggio's, make your own sequences. I find that
arpeggio's are almost the "same" on all machines, and you can get a much
better feel, groove, whatever.... with a sequence.

Jan

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> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
> Fra: Marlon Jürs [mailto:M.Juers@...]
> Sendt: 13. november 2000 12:22
> Til: AN1x-list@egroups.com
> Emne: AW: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance
>
>
> Are you nuts??? Commercial trance producers do NOT use sampling-cds for
> creating arpeggios!!!!!
> It is impossible to create  authentic dynamic filter modulation
> with it!!!
> Open your ears!
> Do you know "Kay Cee"? Listen to it!!!
>
> Greetings from a commercial trance producer
> ----------
> Von: "Jonas Nilsson" <josnin98@...>
> An: <AN1x-list@egroups.com>
> Betreff: SV: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance
> Datum: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 18:01:38 +0100
>
> >And don't forget the reverb.. i would combining a gated reverb
> and another
> >one on top..
> >b.t.w. i think about every analog synth is capable of making
> trance sound,
> >but we all know trance producers only use sample cd's ;)
>
> I agree on the reverb bit and the analogue synth bit, but...
> ...someone has made those sample cd:s, right?
>
> I use Juno-106 and PLG150-AN for that trance lead with varying results.
>
> Jonas
>
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AW: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance

2000-11-16 by Marlon Jürs

Hi,

do you really mean the main-lead of a DJ Dean Sound? Don't try to copy it,
you will just waste your time 'cause Dean does'nt use an AN1X.
One more tip: Try to combine the AN1X with another (perhaps real analogic)
sythesizer (for example waldorf's pulse). You will get a much bigger sound.
Modulate both with cutoff and resonance.
And: Try using the An1x built-in phaser-effect.  It sounds very unique!

Bye for now
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Von: Drmwaves@... 
An: AN1x-list@egroups.com 
Betreff: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance
Datum: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 19:25:27 -0000 

Hi!,

Thanks!!!, i got a lot of help on how the commercial trancers are
doing it. There are a lot of good synths on the market, but
i'm low on budget , and the An1x was cheap and good. I really liked 
that delay tip from Grant Davies, my an1x is now really sounding good.
I am also getting near the main-lead in some of the song from Dj Dean.
Sample-cds are great, but don't we all love making the samples 
ourselves.

Greetings to all fellow An1x Users.



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AW: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance

2000-11-17 by Marlon Jürs

Exactly! 
The statement is mine (Marlon Jürs) and I never thought, that there will be
such a discussion about it. 
By the way: "Are you nuts" was nott meant as an offense.


Stay cool

ACCUFACE
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Von: Elson Trinidad <elson@...> 
An: AN1x-list@egroups.com 
Betreff: Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance 
Datum: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 22:46:38 -0800 

At 05:46 PM 11/17/00 +1100, you wrote:
>WRONG !
>
>I did NOT say this.
>
>You are quoting  "Marlon Jürs".
 
Sorry bout that. I wasn't replying to anyone directly, just addressing the
whole list.

ElsoN1x


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AW: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance

2000-11-18 by Marlon Jürs

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Von: "Paul Murphy" <merfman@...>
An: <AN1x-list@egroups.com> 
Betreff: Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance 
Datum: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 07:43:27 +1100 

Forget the technology, - I just cant see how recording someone elses
arpeggio and trying to manipulate that can be compared to playing your own
and applying your own filters !

Am I the only one here who sees that ?

You are not. I agree with that!

Marlon (ACCUFACE)
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Subject: Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance


> In fact - I am not sure on this of course , but I suppose there should be
a
> difference in how the filters work ..
> In AN1x or ViRUS or ... we have a digital emulation of an analog VCF - the
> algorithm in AN1x for the filter is to emulate VCF ...
> And in the samplers we usually have just the usual digital LPF or HPF
filters
> which were not specifically created to emulate the
> analog filters.
> And I in fact disagree that Samplers COVER analog emulation synths ..
> Saying this - any romplers which have sine , saw and some other waves
cover analog
> em. synths - and that's of course a funny statement.
> Ray.
>
> Peter Korsten wrote:
>
> > Paul Murphy shared with us:
> > > This thread seems to have gone off the track.
> >
> > Yes, well, it's the bane of this list, I 'spose...
> >
> > > Let me go back to a statement made by Peter :
> > >
> > > "  Are you nuts??? Commercial trance producers do NOT use sampling-cds
for
> > > creating arpeggios!!!!!
> > >     It is impossible to create  authentic dynamic filter modulation
with
> > > it!!! "
> >
> > Wasn't me. :) (But that's been covered already.)
> >
> > > I was actually agreeing with his statement, saying that if you desire
these
> > > sort of trance arpeggios, you wouldn't sample CD's because you would
be
> > > restricted to the notes and dynamic filter effects that were applied
to the
> > > original sample.
> > >
> > > Buying an actual synth would be a better option for this application
because
> > > you could construct the arpeggios you want with the effects you want.
> >
> > The way I see it, it would be a better option to use a different
> > sample, then.
> >
> > There really isn't much difference between synths like the AN1x
> > and the A-series samplers. The oscillators differ - and that's it.
> > Both rely on the substractive synthesis method, which basically
> > means they both use filters to make the sound interesting.
> >
> > - Peter
> >
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Re: Commercial Trance

2000-11-18 by jondl@jdlx-musique.com

I'm not hip to the current, popular Trance acts but I enjoy the few 
Trance CDs in my collection. So, obviously I'm no expert on producing
  
Trance music, but the genre has never struck me as being well suited
to 
the type of phrase sampling you describe below (unlike D&B or Trip
Hop 
musical styles.) So in that regard I'd agreee with you...but, there
is 
no denying the rise in popularity of construction kit format Sample
CD-
ROMs has subsequently made many styles of music more accessible to 
musicians/producers. IMO, whether this is good or bad depends on the 
creativity employed by said musician/producer in creating new music 
from the source material.

regards,
Jon

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> 
> ----------
> Von: "Paul Murphy" <merfman@o...>
> An: <AN1x-list@egroups.com> 
> Betreff: Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance 
> Datum: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 07:43:27 +1100 
> 
> Forget the technology, - I just cant see how recording someone elses
> arpeggio and trying to manipulate that can be compared to playing
your own
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> and applying your own filters !
> 
> Am I the only one here who sees that ?
> 
> You are not. I agree with that!
> 
> Marlon (ACCUFACE)
> 
>