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Commercial Trance

Commercial Trance

2000-11-10 by Drmwaves@hotmail.com

I am sitting here with my An1x. It shines with a great design, 
and cool analog sounds.
I am wondering how the big commercial trance musicians, such
as Paul van Dyk, Dj Jean , Dj Jurgen and so on, are making
their big nice main-leads in their songs.
Are there anybody out there who own such leads, or could
tell me where to find them?.
In my music i like to combine Fruityloops and An1x.
Are there anybody with much experience on such comination?
****___***___***___****___****____***___****___****__***
:)

Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance

2000-11-10 by Grant Davies

We tend to mix a fusion of trance and dnb in our music.  Check out the studio demo cd section of our site

www.bluetube.com

and if you hear a piece you like, let me know and I'll try and remember how we wrote any apregiated lines.

We use the An1x as a lead most of the time, but arpegiations are often done by the Prophecy, Juno  106 and Nord lead.  The key I have found to giving it that Trance feel, is to create a pensive feel to the arpegiation, so using sharps and flats in the arpegiation is key.  The other BIG one is a good delay. Just as an experiment create a basic 4 note arpegiation around 145 bmp without a delay effect.  Now add a triplet delay left and right and make the left delay twice the length of the right delay.. see how fat the sound becomes and how much like commercial trance is sounds.

If you need more help, I'll may have some time over the weekend to send you an an1x patch with a midi file explaining what I mean.. (I need to do some tutorials for our website anyway!)

cheers
Grant
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  Subject: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance


  I am sitting here with my An1x. It shines with a great design, 
  and cool analog sounds.
  I am wondering how the big commercial trance musicians, such
  as Paul van Dyk, Dj Jean , Dj Jurgen and so on, are making
  their big nice main-leads in their songs.
  Are there anybody out there who own such leads, or could
  tell me where to find them?.
  In my music i like to combine Fruityloops and An1x.
  Are there anybody with much experience on such comination?
  ****___***___***___****___****____***___****___****__***
  :)


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Re: Commercial Trance

2000-11-11 by M Kalsbeek

Hi, 

> I am sitting here with my An1x. It shines with a
> great design, 
> and cool analog sounds.

I think we all know the feeling. 

> I am wondering how the big commercial trance
> musicians, such
> as Paul van Dyk, Dj Jean , Dj Jurgen and so on, are
> making
> their big nice main-leads in their songs.

To my knowledge a lot of high-profile trance producers
use the an1x. But the most used synth in commercial
trance music . . . (jurgen, alice DJ, system f etc.)
is the jp8080. 

Greetings and Goodluck,

M

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Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance

2000-11-11 by clix

And don't forget the reverb.. i would combining a gated reverb and another
one on top.. 

b.t.w. i think about every analog synth is capable of making trance sound,
but we all know trance producers only use sample cd's ;)

mzzl
	cl:x aka Bas

>>>>
We use the An1x as a lead most of the time, but arpegiations are often done
by the Prophecy, Juno  106 and Nord lead.  The key I have found to giving
it that Trance feel, is to create a pensive feel to the arpegiation, so
using sharps and flats in the arpegiation is key.  The other BIG one is a
good delay. Just as an experiment create a basic 4 note arpegiation around
145 bmp without a delay effect.  Now add a triplet delay left and right and
make the left delay twice the length of the right delay.. see how fat the
sound becomes and how much like commercial trance is sounds.

<<<<

clix @ cyberpunk studios | clix@... |  http://clixx.cjb.net

Commercial Trance

2000-11-13 by Drmwaves@hotmail.com

Hi!,

Thanks!!!, i got a lot of help on how the commercial trancers are
doing it. There are a lot of good synths on the market, but
i'm low on budget , and the An1x was cheap and good. I really liked 
that delay tip from Grant Davies, my an1x is now really sounding good.
I am also getting near the main-lead in some of the song from Dj Dean.
Sample-cds are great, but don't we all love making the samples 
ourselves.

Greetings to all fellow An1x Users.

Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance

2000-11-14 by Jonas Nilsson

>      Forget about the arpeggio's, make your own sequences. I find that
> arpeggio's are almost the "same" on all machines, and you can get a much
> better feel, groove, whatever.... with a sequence.

Sometimes you see the term "arpeggio" used for an arp style sequence.

Jonas

SV: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance

2000-11-14 by Pergamon

OOOOOPPPPPSSSS!!!!

     Sorry about that misunderstanding. I thought there were actually talk
about the Arpeggio-features on most machines today.

Jan


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> Fra: Jonas Nilsson [mailto:josnin98@...]
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>
>
> >      Forget about the arpeggio's, make your own sequences. I find that
> > arpeggio's are almost the "same" on all machines, and you can get a much
> > better feel, groove, whatever.... with a sequence.
>
> Sometimes you see the term "arpeggio" used for an arp style sequence.
>
> Jonas
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Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance

2000-11-14 by Jonas Nilsson

> OOOOOPPPPPSSSS!!!!
> 
>      Sorry about that misunderstanding. I thought there were actually talk
> about the Arpeggio-features on most machines today.

That may also be true. Personally I (like you) don't think that these features can beat your own sequences when you're trying to make trance.

BTW, I've also heard some people talking about arpeggios meaning internal step sequences like the ones I can make with my PLG150-AN. They have some similarities with arpeggios.

Greetings AN people!

Jonas

Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance

2000-11-14 by Grant Davies

I think we are talking about creating arpeggios.. not using built in ones.. also known as sequences..

Cheers
Grant
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  M'jello

       Forget about the arpeggio's, make your own sequences. I find that
  arpeggio's are almost the "same" on all machines, and you can get a much
  better feel, groove, whatever.... with a sequence.

  Jan

  mailto:pergamon@get2net.dk

  > -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
  > Fra: Marlon Jürs [mailto:M.Juers@...]
  > Sendt: 13. november 2000 12:22
  > Til: AN1x-list@egroups.com
  > Emne: AW: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance
  >
  >
  > Are you nuts??? Commercial trance producers do NOT use sampling-cds for
  > creating arpeggios!!!!!
  > It is impossible to create  authentic dynamic filter modulation
  > with it!!!
  > Open your ears!
  > Do you know "Kay Cee"? Listen to it!!!
  >
  > Greetings from a commercial trance producer
  > ----------
  > Von: "Jonas Nilsson" <josnin98@...>
  > An: <AN1x-list@egroups.com>
  > Betreff: SV: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance
  > Datum: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 18:01:38 +0100
  >
  > >And don't forget the reverb.. i would combining a gated reverb
  > and another
  > >one on top..
  > >b.t.w. i think about every analog synth is capable of making
  > trance sound,
  > >but we all know trance producers only use sample cd's ;)
  >
  > I agree on the reverb bit and the analogue synth bit, but...
  > ...someone has made those sample cd:s, right?
  >
  > I use Juno-106 and PLG150-AN for that trance lead with varying results.
  >
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Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance

2000-11-14 by Peter Korsten

From: "Marlon J\ufffdrs" <M.Juers@...>

> Are you nuts??? Commercial trance producers do NOT use sampling-cds for
> creating arpeggios!!!!!
> It is impossible to create  authentic dynamic filter modulation with it!!!
> Open your ears!
> Do you know "Kay Cee"? Listen to it!!!

Apart from the fact that this mail seems a bit overheated for a mailing list
(we're all friends here, right?), what exactly does a filter have to do with
whether you use a sample or a simple oscillator, like a sine? As far as I'm
aware, every sampler or sampling synth on the market has dynamic filters on
board. (Mine even has static filters.)

- Peter

Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance

2000-11-15 by Paul Murphy

Yes but why would buy a sampler just to sample CD's when you could spend the
same money on the actual synth (????)

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 7:16 AM
Subject: Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance


> From: "Marlon J\ufffdrs" <M.Juers@...>
>
> > Are you nuts??? Commercial trance producers do NOT use sampling-cds for
> > creating arpeggios!!!!!
> > It is impossible to create  authentic dynamic filter modulation with
it!!!
> > Open your ears!
> > Do you know "Kay Cee"? Listen to it!!!
>
> Apart from the fact that this mail seems a bit overheated for a mailing
list
> (we're all friends here, right?), what exactly does a filter have to do
with
> whether you use a sample or a simple oscillator, like a sine? As far as
I'm
> aware, every sampler or sampling synth on the market has dynamic filters
on
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> board. (Mine even has static filters.)
>
> - Peter
>
>
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Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance

2000-11-15 by Phil

Hi Paul,

A 'sampler' is essentially a ROMpler (ie. sound module) with an unlimited,
never outdated collection of sounds.

On the other hand, like a sampler (like a ROMpler) can't modulate the
pulse-width of a square wave with an LFO. There is room in the world for
both Samplers and Synths. It's a shame though that samplers have a nasty
reputation for only being good at stealing other people's ideas.

Phil
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Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 17:29:54 +1100
To: <AN1x-list@egroups.com>
Subject: Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance


Yes but why would buy a sampler just to sample CD's when you could spend the
same money on the actual synth (????)

----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Korsten <peterk@...>
To: <AN1x-list@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 7:16 AM
Subject: Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance


> From: "Marlon Jürs" <M.Juers@...>
>
> > Are you nuts??? Commercial trance producers do NOT use sampling-cds for
> > creating arpeggios!!!!!
> > It is impossible to create  authentic dynamic filter modulation with
it!!!
> > Open your ears!
> > Do you know "Kay Cee"? Listen to it!!!
>
> Apart from the fact that this mail seems a bit overheated for a mailing
list
> (we're all friends here, right?), what exactly does a filter have to do
with
> whether you use a sample or a simple oscillator, like a sine? As far as
I'm
> aware, every sampler or sampling synth on the market has dynamic filters
on
> board. (Mine even has static filters.)
>
> - Peter
>
>
>
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Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance

2000-11-15 by Phil

Oh dear, remind me to read my text before hitting 'SEND"!

It should read:

"...On the other hand, a sampler (like a ROMpler) can't modulate the
pulse-width of a square wave with an LFO like a synth such as the AN1x
can. The AN1x's percussion, and accoustic instruments are *very* limited,
plus its polyphony and multitimbrality is pathetic in comparison to a
sampler. This is why there is room in the world for both Samplers and
Synths. It's just a shame though that samplers have a nasty reputation for
only being good at stealing other people's ideas."

Phil :-)
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Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 17:49:52 +1000
To: <AN1x-list@egroups.com>
Subject: Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance


Hi Paul,

A 'sampler' is essentially a ROMpler (ie. sound module) with an unlimited,
never outdated collection of sounds.

On the other hand, like a sampler (like a ROMpler) can't modulate the
pulse-width of a square wave with an LFO. There is room in the world for
both Samplers and Synths. It's a shame though that samplers have a nasty
reputation for only being good at stealing other people's ideas.

Phil

From: "Paul Murphy" <merfman@optushome.com.au>
Reply-To: AN1x-list@egroups.com
Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 17:29:54 +1100
To: <AN1x-list@egroups.com>
Subject: Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance


Yes but why would buy a sampler just to sample CD's when you could spend the
same money on the actual synth (????)

----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Korsten <peterk@...>
To: <AN1x-list@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 7:16 AM
Subject: Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance


> From: "Marlon Jürs" <M.Juers@...>
>
> > Are you nuts??? Commercial trance producers do NOT use sampling-cds for
> > creating arpeggios!!!!!
> > It is impossible to create  authentic dynamic filter modulation with
it!!!
> > Open your ears!
> > Do you know "Kay Cee"? Listen to it!!!
>
> Apart from the fact that this mail seems a bit overheated for a mailing
list
> (we're all friends here, right?), what exactly does a filter have to do
with
> whether you use a sample or a simple oscillator, like a sine? As far as
I'm
> aware, every sampler or sampling synth on the market has dynamic filters
on
> board. (Mine even has static filters.)
>
> - Peter
>
>
>
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Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance

2000-11-15 by Peter Korsten

Paul Murphy shared with us:
> Yes but why would buy a sampler just to sample CD's when you could spend the
> same money on the actual synth (????)

A sampler is a synth, simple as that. The only difference with,
for instance, the AN1x, is the oscillator. And that is only one
part of the synthesis engine. In regard to amplification, filter
and effects section, there no real difference with, say, an EX5,
with the exception that the EX5 blows the AN1x out of the water in
these areas.

It's a bit like comparing apples and oranges, because of the
oscillator, and therefore you won't hear me say that the EX5 actually
*sounds* better than the AN1x. My subjective impression is that it
does, but the one can make sounds that the other can't (if I
disregard for a moment that the EX5 has an AN section) and vice
versa.

So, in my planned setup, I'm going to expand the EX5 to full sampler
specs, I'll buy a Supernova II Pro X rack, and finally an EMU Ultra
sampler. With those, I can produce the sounds that I really want.
Perhaps not all sounds available - for which I would need an FS1r,
K5000, Fizmo, Microwave, etc. - but it suits the direction I want
to take in music.

- Peter

- Peter

Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance

2000-11-16 by Paul Murphy

Oh - I thought we were talking about trance arpegios - not burps and fart
concertos.

Sorry.


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Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 3:14 AM
Subject: Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance


> Well beacuse a sampler can do a hundred thing a synth cant'....isn't that
> obvious....try to make a drumkit of farts and yer own burps and handclaps
on
> your an1x or any other synth....
>
> Also my an1x  lack polyphony...I can samlpe notes on my a4000 and use
those
> instead to free my an1x up for other sounds....etc.etc.
>
> Met Vriendelijke Groet / With Kind Regards,
>
> Bastiaan van de Werk
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Paul Murphy <merfman@...>
> To: <AN1x-list@egroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 7:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance
>
>
> > Yes but why would buy a sampler just to sample CD's when you could spend
> the
> > same money on the actual synth (????)
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Peter Korsten <peterk@...>
> > To: <AN1x-list@egroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 7:16 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance
> >
> >
> > > From: "Marlon J\ufffdrs" <M.Juers@...>
> > >
> > > > Are you nuts??? Commercial trance producers do NOT use sampling-cds
> for
> > > > creating arpeggios!!!!!
> > > > It is impossible to create  authentic dynamic filter modulation with
> > it!!!
> > > > Open your ears!
> > > > Do you know "Kay Cee"? Listen to it!!!
> > >
> > > Apart from the fact that this mail seems a bit overheated for a
mailing
> > list
> > > (we're all friends here, right?), what exactly does a filter have to
do
> > with
> > > whether you use a sample or a simple oscillator, like a sine? As far
as
> > I'm
> > > aware, every sampler or sampling synth on the market has dynamic
filters
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> > > board. (Mine even has static filters.)
> > >
> > > - Peter
> > >
> > >
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Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance

2000-11-16 by Paul Murphy

I made this statement in the context of achieving TRANCE ARPEGIOS as opposed
to sampling them of a CD.

Let me get this right - if you SAMPLE an arpegio FROM A CD, arent you stuck
with the filtering and effects that it was recorded with on the CD ??

( Whereas if you buy a synth and program the arpegio you can apply your own
without being encumbered by that which was used on the CD ! )

If you're going to quote me, at least address the actual context of the
thread !


----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Korsten <peterk@...>
To: <AN1x-list@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance


> Paul Murphy shared with us:
> > Yes but why would buy a sampler just to sample CD's when you could spend
the
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> > same money on the actual synth (????)
>
> A sampler is a synth, simple as that. The only difference with,
> for instance, the AN1x, is the oscillator. And that is only one
> part of the synthesis engine. In regard to amplification, filter
> and effects section, there no real difference with, say, an EX5,
> with the exception that the EX5 blows the AN1x out of the water in
> these areas.
>
> It's a bit like comparing apples and oranges, because of the
> oscillator, and therefore you won't hear me say that the EX5 actually
> *sounds* better than the AN1x. My subjective impression is that it
> does, but the one can make sounds that the other can't (if I
> disregard for a moment that the EX5 has an AN section) and vice
> versa.
>
> So, in my planned setup, I'm going to expand the EX5 to full sampler
> specs, I'll buy a Supernova II Pro X rack, and finally an EMU Ultra
> sampler. With those, I can produce the sounds that I really want.
> Perhaps not all sounds available - for which I would need an FS1r,
> K5000, Fizmo, Microwave, etc. - but it suits the direction I want
> to take in music.
>
> - Peter
>
> - Peter
>
>
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Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance

2000-11-17 by Paul Murphy

This thread seems to have gone off the track.

Let me go back to a statement made by Peter :

"  Are you nuts??? Commercial trance producers do NOT use sampling-cds for
creating arpeggios!!!!!
    It is impossible to create  authentic dynamic filter modulation with
it!!! "

I was actually agreeing with his statement, saying that if you desire these
sort of trance arpeggios, you wouldn't sample CD's because you would be
restricted to the notes and dynamic filter effects that were applied to the
original sample.

Buying an actual synth would be a better option for this application because
you could construct the arpeggios you want with the effects you want.


----- Original Message -----
From: Bastiaan van de Werk <Hajee@...>
To: <AN1x-list@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance


> Yeah, I know these where metaohorical for 'ANY SOUND'...I meant to say you
> could create a very wide and diverse palet of sounds with a sampler not
just
> 'repodruce' existing sounds..
>
> Sorry for the confusion, I never actually sampled farts and burps you
> know....
>
> Met Vriendelijke Groet / With Kind Regards,
>
> Bastiaan van de Werk
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Paul Murphy <merfman@...>
> To: <AN1x-list@egroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 7:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance
>
>
> > Oh - I thought we were talking about trance arpegios - not burps and
fart
> > concertos.
> >
> > Sorry.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Bastiaan van de Werk <Hajee@...>
> > To: <AN1x-list@egroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 3:14 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance
> >
> >
> > > Well beacuse a sampler can do a hundred thing a synth cant'....isn't
> that
> > > obvious....try to make a drumkit of farts and yer own burps and
> handclaps
> > on
> > > your an1x or any other synth....
> > >
> > > Also my an1x  lack polyphony...I can samlpe notes on my a4000 and use
> > those
> > > instead to free my an1x up for other sounds....etc.etc.
> > >
> > > Met Vriendelijke Groet / With Kind Regards,
> > >
> > > Bastiaan van de Werk
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Paul Murphy <merfman@...>
> > > To: <AN1x-list@egroups.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 7:29 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance
> > >
> > >
> > > > Yes but why would buy a sampler just to sample CD's when you could
> spend
> > > the
> > > > same money on the actual synth (????)
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Peter Korsten <peterk@...>
> > > > To: <AN1x-list@egroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 7:16 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > From: "Marlon J\ufffdrs" <M.Juers@...>
> > > > >
> > > > > > Are you nuts??? Commercial trance producers do NOT use
> sampling-cds
> > > for
> > > > > > creating arpeggios!!!!!
> > > > > > It is impossible to create  authentic dynamic filter modulation
> with
> > > > it!!!
> > > > > > Open your ears!
> > > > > > Do you know "Kay Cee"? Listen to it!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > Apart from the fact that this mail seems a bit overheated for a
> > mailing
> > > > list
> > > > > (we're all friends here, right?), what exactly does a filter have
to
> > do
> > > > with
> > > > > whether you use a sample or a simple oscillator, like a sine? As
far
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> > as
> > > > I'm
> > > > > aware, every sampler or sampling synth on the market has dynamic
> > filters
> > > > on
> > > > > board. (Mine even has static filters.)
> > > > >
> > > > > - Peter
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Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance

2000-11-17 by Elson Trinidad

At 05:01 PM 11/17/00 +1100, Paul Murphy wrote:
 
>"  Are you nuts??? Commercial trance producers do NOT use sampling-cds for
>creating arpeggios!!!!!
>    It is impossible to create  authentic dynamic filter modulation with
>it!!! "
 
But it's a proven fact that Fatboy Slim used a *sample* of the AN1x's "Acid
3" preset arpeggio for his song "Acid 8000" from the "You've Come A Long
Way Baby" album.

E

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Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance

2000-11-17 by Elson Trinidad

At 05:46 PM 11/17/00 +1100, you wrote:
>WRONG !
>
>I did NOT say this.
>
>You are quoting  "Marlon Jürs".
 
Sorry bout that. I wasn't replying to anyone directly, just addressing the
whole list.

ElsoN1x


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Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance

2000-11-17 by Paul Murphy

WRONG !

I did NOT say this.

You are quoting  "Marlon J\ufffdrs".



----- Original Message -----
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To: <AN1x-list@egroups.com>; <AN1x-list@egroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance


> At 05:01 PM 11/17/00 +1100, Paul Murphy wrote:
>
> >"  Are you nuts??? Commercial trance producers do NOT use sampling-cds
for
> >creating arpeggios!!!!!
> >    It is impossible to create  authentic dynamic filter modulation with
> >it!!! "
>
> But it's a proven fact that Fatboy Slim used a *sample* of the AN1x's
"Acid
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> 3" preset arpeggio for his song "Acid 8000" from the "You've Come A Long
> Way Baby" album.
>

Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance

2000-11-17 by Paul Murphy

Phatboy or whoever will do a zillion things to get a sound, and good on em.

But that doesnt sway my logic, which says programming a synth to do a trance
arpeggio would give you a whole lot more control than trying to apply
effects to a sample of an arpegio which may already have filtering effects
on it !

If I was to become a trance artist, I would certainly not sample my
arpegios, I would make them myself, whether Phatboy did or not !
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----- Original Message -----
From: Elson Trinidad <elson@...>
To: <AN1x-list@egroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance


At 05:46 PM 11/17/00 +1100, you wrote:
>WRONG !
>
>I did NOT say this.
>
>You are quoting  "Marlon J\ufffdrs".

Sorry bout that. I wasn't replying to anyone directly, just addressing the
whole list.

ElsoN1x


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Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance

2000-11-17 by Peter Korsten

Paul Murphy shared with us:
> This thread seems to have gone off the track.

Yes, well, it's the bane of this list, I 'spose...

> Let me go back to a statement made by Peter :
> 
> "  Are you nuts??? Commercial trance producers do NOT use sampling-cds for
> creating arpeggios!!!!!
>     It is impossible to create  authentic dynamic filter modulation with
> it!!! "

Wasn't me. :) (But that's been covered already.)

> I was actually agreeing with his statement, saying that if you desire these
> sort of trance arpeggios, you wouldn't sample CD's because you would be
> restricted to the notes and dynamic filter effects that were applied to the
> original sample.
> 
> Buying an actual synth would be a better option for this application because
> you could construct the arpeggios you want with the effects you want.

The way I see it, it would be a better option to use a different
sample, then.

There really isn't much difference between synths like the AN1x
and the A-series samplers. The oscillators differ - and that's it.
Both rely on the substractive synthesis method, which basically
means they both use filters to make the sound interesting.

- Peter

Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance

2000-11-17 by RayMaxer

In fact - I am not sure on this of course , but I suppose there should be a
difference in how the filters work ..
In AN1x or ViRUS or ... we have a digital emulation of an analog VCF - the
algorithm in AN1x for the filter is to emulate VCF ...
And in the samplers we usually have just the usual digital LPF or HPF filters
which were not specifically created to emulate the
analog filters.
And I in fact disagree that Samplers COVER analog emulation synths ..
Saying this - any romplers which have sine , saw and some other waves cover analog
em. synths - and that's of course a funny statement.
Ray.

Peter Korsten wrote:
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> Paul Murphy shared with us:
> > This thread seems to have gone off the track.
>
> Yes, well, it's the bane of this list, I 'spose...
>
> > Let me go back to a statement made by Peter :
> >
> > "  Are you nuts??? Commercial trance producers do NOT use sampling-cds for
> > creating arpeggios!!!!!
> >     It is impossible to create  authentic dynamic filter modulation with
> > it!!! "
>
> Wasn't me. :) (But that's been covered already.)
>
> > I was actually agreeing with his statement, saying that if you desire these
> > sort of trance arpeggios, you wouldn't sample CD's because you would be
> > restricted to the notes and dynamic filter effects that were applied to the
> > original sample.
> >
> > Buying an actual synth would be a better option for this application because
> > you could construct the arpeggios you want with the effects you want.
>
> The way I see it, it would be a better option to use a different
> sample, then.
>
> There really isn't much difference between synths like the AN1x
> and the A-series samplers. The oscillators differ - and that's it.
> Both rely on the substractive synthesis method, which basically
> means they both use filters to make the sound interesting.
>
> - Peter
>
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Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance

2000-11-17 by Jonas Nilsson

>By the way: "Are you nuts" was nott meant as an offense.

Maybe my response got out of hand.

Kind regards!
Jonas

Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance

2000-11-17 by Peter Korsten

RayMaxer shared with us:
> In fact - I am not sure on this of course , but I suppose there should be a
> difference in how the filters work ..
> In AN1x or ViRUS or ... we have a digital emulation of an analog VCF - the
> algorithm in AN1x for the filter is to emulate VCF ...
> And in the samplers we usually have just the usual digital LPF or HPF filters
> which were not specifically created to emulate the
> analog filters.

I don't know about that. After all, the first sampler that actually
had filters, had pure analogue ones. I'd wager a bet that there
isn't much of a difference betweeen 'virtualogue' filters and the
ones in samplers or 'romplers', since both are based on DSP power.

> And I in fact disagree that Samplers COVER analog emulation synths ..
> Saying this - any romplers which have sine , saw and some other waves cover analog
> em. synths - and that's of course a funny statement.

The simplest, one oscillators synths can be emulated, more or less.
But something like an Edge Control, slowly varying over time, is
something that sample based oscillators can't do.

But the main reason that virtual analogue synths exist in the first
place is the craze over real analogue synths. The reasons for that
craze were partly about the sound, but for a large part about
financials as well.

- Peter

RE: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance

2000-11-17 by Edwards, Ed

I strictly use my AN1x for classical grand piano sounds for Mozart and Bach
recitals.  Most of my performances are not commercial.  Do I qualify for
this on-topic thread?

Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance

2000-11-17 by RayMaxer

Ummm ... Yes , Ed - seems like you are in fully in 'trance state' playing piano
on the AN-1x ... :)
Ray.

"Edwards, Ed" wrote:
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> I strictly use my AN1x for classical grand piano sounds for Mozart and Bach
> recitals.  Most of my performances are not commercial.  Do I qualify for
> this on-topic thread?
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Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance

2000-11-17 by Tom

I recon that you could get a pretty major tune by starting it off with a
piano sound and doing a major morph over to a cheesy commercial trance
arpegiator leady out of the blue riff.

i've never really listened to an1x piano sounds but i might give it a shot
this weekend.

tom
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance


> Ummm ... Yes , Ed - seems like you are in fully in 'trance state' playing
piano
> on the AN-1x ... :)
> Ray.
>
> "Edwards, Ed" wrote:
>
> > I strictly use my AN1x for classical grand piano sounds for Mozart and
Bach
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Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance

2000-11-17 by Phil

This has been a popular thread!

Virtualogues <great name!> feature self-oscillating filters. Bump the
resonace onto full and you hear that pure sine wave. This is a natural
phenomenon of the analogue filter itself (at least some filters, not all).

Samplers and ROMpler filters don't self-oscillate.

Phil
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Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 15:14:50 +0100
To: AN1x-list@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance

I don't know about that. After all, the first sampler that actually
had filters, had pure analogue ones. I'd wager a bet that there
isn't much of a difference betweeen 'virtualogue' filters and the
ones in samplers or 'romplers', since both are based on DSP power.



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Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance

2000-11-17 by Paul Murphy

Sorry Peter I meant Marlin

I know theres not much difference between a sampler and a synth, but there
IS a difference between sampling an arpegio and playing/programming one
yourself.


----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Korsten <peterk@...>
To: <AN1x-list@egroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance


> Paul Murphy shared with us:
> > This thread seems to have gone off the track.
>
> Yes, well, it's the bane of this list, I 'spose...
>
> > Let me go back to a statement made by Peter :
> >
> > "  Are you nuts??? Commercial trance producers do NOT use sampling-cds
for
> > creating arpeggios!!!!!
> >     It is impossible to create  authentic dynamic filter modulation with
> > it!!! "
>
> Wasn't me. :) (But that's been covered already.)
>
> > I was actually agreeing with his statement, saying that if you desire
these
> > sort of trance arpeggios, you wouldn't sample CD's because you would be
> > restricted to the notes and dynamic filter effects that were applied to
the
> > original sample.
> >
> > Buying an actual synth would be a better option for this application
because
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> > you could construct the arpeggios you want with the effects you want.
>
> The way I see it, it would be a better option to use a different
> sample, then.
>
> There really isn't much difference between synths like the AN1x
> and the A-series samplers. The oscillators differ - and that's it.
> Both rely on the substractive synthesis method, which basically
> means they both use filters to make the sound interesting.
>
> - Peter
>
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Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance

2000-11-17 by Paul Murphy

Forget the technology, - I just cant see how recording someone elses
arpeggio and trying to manipulate that can be compared to playing your own
and applying your own filters !

Am I the only one here who sees that ?


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Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 10:04 PM
Subject: Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance


> In fact - I am not sure on this of course , but I suppose there should be
a
> difference in how the filters work ..
> In AN1x or ViRUS or ... we have a digital emulation of an analog VCF - the
> algorithm in AN1x for the filter is to emulate VCF ...
> And in the samplers we usually have just the usual digital LPF or HPF
filters
> which were not specifically created to emulate the
> analog filters.
> And I in fact disagree that Samplers COVER analog emulation synths ..
> Saying this - any romplers which have sine , saw and some other waves
cover analog
> em. synths - and that's of course a funny statement.
> Ray.
>
> Peter Korsten wrote:
>
> > Paul Murphy shared with us:
> > > This thread seems to have gone off the track.
> >
> > Yes, well, it's the bane of this list, I 'spose...
> >
> > > Let me go back to a statement made by Peter :
> > >
> > > "  Are you nuts??? Commercial trance producers do NOT use sampling-cds
for
> > > creating arpeggios!!!!!
> > >     It is impossible to create  authentic dynamic filter modulation
with
> > > it!!! "
> >
> > Wasn't me. :) (But that's been covered already.)
> >
> > > I was actually agreeing with his statement, saying that if you desire
these
> > > sort of trance arpeggios, you wouldn't sample CD's because you would
be
> > > restricted to the notes and dynamic filter effects that were applied
to the
> > > original sample.
> > >
> > > Buying an actual synth would be a better option for this application
because
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > > you could construct the arpeggios you want with the effects you want.
> >
> > The way I see it, it would be a better option to use a different
> > sample, then.
> >
> > There really isn't much difference between synths like the AN1x
> > and the A-series samplers. The oscillators differ - and that's it.
> > Both rely on the substractive synthesis method, which basically
> > means they both use filters to make the sound interesting.
> >
> > - Peter
> >
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Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance

2000-11-17 by Peter Korsten

From: "Paul Murphy" <merfman@...>

> Forget the technology, - I just cant see how recording someone elses
> arpeggio and trying to manipulate that can be compared to playing your own
> and applying your own filters !
>
> Am I the only one here who sees that ?

I agree with you, but there are lists where I'm a minority in this opinion.

The question arises, when music is considered art, whether sampling other
people's stuff and making your own song from it, is art as well. It boils
down to the fact that art is hard to define.

Personally, I want to make my own songs, or parts, or phrases, or whatever.
I'm going to expand my EX5 to full sampler specs, but for using other
waveforms and instruments, and mangling them (something the EX5 is excellent
at), not to sample loops.

Like I said, it's a personal opinion. However, since (almost) all of this
people use a synth that definitely can't sample other people's stuff, I
think I'm not as alone as on a, say, sampler mailing list.

- Peter

Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance

2000-11-18 by Steve

There's just nothing like the pleasure you get when you program your own sequence........
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  Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 2:46 PM
  Subject: Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance


  From: "Paul Murphy" <merfman@...>

  > Forget the technology, - I just cant see how recording someone elses
  > arpeggio and trying to manipulate that can be compared to playing your own
  > and applying your own filters !
  >
  > Am I the only one here who sees that ?

  I agree with you, but there are lists where I'm a minority in this opinion.

  The question arises, when music is considered art, whether sampling other
  people's stuff and making your own song from it, is art as well. It boils
  down to the fact that art is hard to define.

  Personally, I want to make my own songs, or parts, or phrases, or whatever.
  I'm going to expand my EX5 to full sampler specs, but for using other
  waveforms and instruments, and mangling them (something the EX5 is excellent
  at), not to sample loops.

  Like I said, it's a personal opinion. However, since (almost) all of this
  people use a synth that definitely can't sample other people's stuff, I
  think I'm not as alone as on a, say, sampler mailing list.

  - Peter


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Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance

2000-11-18 by RayMaxer

Paul ,
I fully agree with you (though why 'forget the technology' ? ) - and you know
what ? I am not having a sampler even yet here ..
I use audio tracks in sequencer plus used sampling functions in the audio card
but now I have changed to Gina 24 and I definitly gonna get myself a Ultra (Emu)
or something else .
But currently I've been using 4 synths but no samplers ... (AN-1x, ViRUS b,
WaveStation SR and Proteus 2000)
Speaking about samplers - I am going to get a top-end sampler and am thinking
about EMU Ultra series and AKAI 5000 ... or maybe Yamaha A4000-A5000 (but the
latest has UGLY SCSI as I know so I am somehow not sure if its in the same
'line') ..
Could anyone give some advice on this topic ?
Thanks.
<And again - not for sampling others loops , melodies and so on - I am kinda
thinking of using it half like a synth , for drum sounds plus some real
instruments and editing the hell out of ViRUS and otther lines with dif. FX>
Ray.

Paul Murphy wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> Forget the technology, - I just cant see how recording someone elses
> arpeggio and trying to manipulate that can be compared to playing your own
> and applying your own filters !
>
> Am I the only one here who sees that ?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: RayMaxer <digil@...>
> To: <AN1x-list@egroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 10:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance
>
> > In fact - I am not sure on this of course , but I suppose there should be
> a
> > difference in how the filters work ..
> > In AN1x or ViRUS or ... we have a digital emulation of an analog VCF - the
> > algorithm in AN1x for the filter is to emulate VCF ...
> > And in the samplers we usually have just the usual digital LPF or HPF
> filters
> > which were not specifically created to emulate the
> > analog filters.
> > And I in fact disagree that Samplers COVER analog emulation synths ..
> > Saying this - any romplers which have sine , saw and some other waves
> cover analog
> > em. synths - and that's of course a funny statement.
> > Ray.
> >
> > Peter Korsten wrote:
> >
> > > Paul Murphy shared with us:
> > > > This thread seems to have gone off the track.
> > >
> > > Yes, well, it's the bane of this list, I 'spose...
> > >
> > > > Let me go back to a statement made by Peter :
> > > >
> > > > "  Are you nuts??? Commercial trance producers do NOT use sampling-cds
> for
> > > > creating arpeggios!!!!!
> > > >     It is impossible to create  authentic dynamic filter modulation
> with
> > > > it!!! "
> > >
> > > Wasn't me. :) (But that's been covered already.)
> > >
> > > > I was actually agreeing with his statement, saying that if you desire
> these
> > > > sort of trance arpeggios, you wouldn't sample CD's because you would
> be
> > > > restricted to the notes and dynamic filter effects that were applied
> to the
> > > > original sample.
> > > >
> > > > Buying an actual synth would be a better option for this application
> because
> > > > you could construct the arpeggios you want with the effects you want.
> > >
> > > The way I see it, it would be a better option to use a different
> > > sample, then.
> > >
> > > There really isn't much difference between synths like the AN1x
> > > and the A-series samplers. The oscillators differ - and that's it.
> > > Both rely on the substractive synthesis method, which basically
> > > means they both use filters to make the sound interesting.
> > >
> > > - Peter
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Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance

2000-11-18 by Peter Korsten

From: "Bastiaan van de Werk" <Hajee@...>

> I own the A4000 and it's a beasty for the money...the scsi i slow (readinf
> cd rom's is) but for transfer to and from your computer it's okay. Get an
> internal ide Zip drive with it, that's what I've done for storage tho.
It's
> the most reliable way. Soon we will have firewire or mlan or whatever it's
> called, this should be very interseting when connecting your sampler to
your
> computer (very fast sample retreival etc..)

Forget about mLAN for the A-series samplers for a moment. It's not working
yet, and it's not certain that they will (be able to) fix it.

My source is Jay Vaughan, the guy who runs Teklab.

- Peter

Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance

2000-11-18 by Paul Murphy

Have you discounted GIGASAMPLER ?
depends on your sound card I spose.

----- Original Message -----
From: RayMaxer <digil@...>
To: <AN1x-list@egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance


> Paul ,
> I fully agree with you (though why 'forget the technology' ? ) - and you
know
> what ? I am not having a sampler even yet here ..
> I use audio tracks in sequencer plus used sampling functions in the audio
card
> but now I have changed to Gina 24 and I definitly gonna get myself a Ultra
(Emu)
> or something else .
> But currently I've been using 4 synths but no samplers ... (AN-1x, ViRUS
b,
> WaveStation SR and Proteus 2000)
> Speaking about samplers - I am going to get a top-end sampler and am
thinking
> about EMU Ultra series and AKAI 5000 ... or maybe Yamaha A4000-A5000 (but
the
> latest has UGLY SCSI as I know so I am somehow not sure if its in the same
> 'line') ..
> Could anyone give some advice on this topic ?
> Thanks.
> <And again - not for sampling others loops , melodies and so on - I am
kinda
> thinking of using it half like a synth , for drum sounds plus some real
> instruments and editing the hell out of ViRUS and otther lines with dif.
FX>
> Ray.
>
> Paul Murphy wrote:
>
> > Forget the technology, - I just cant see how recording someone elses
> > arpeggio and trying to manipulate that can be compared to playing your
own
> > and applying your own filters !
> >
> > Am I the only one here who sees that ?
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: RayMaxer <digil@...>
> > To: <AN1x-list@egroups.com>
> > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 10:04 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance
> >
> > > In fact - I am not sure on this of course , but I suppose there should
be
> > a
> > > difference in how the filters work ..
> > > In AN1x or ViRUS or ... we have a digital emulation of an analog VCF -
the
> > > algorithm in AN1x for the filter is to emulate VCF ...
> > > And in the samplers we usually have just the usual digital LPF or HPF
> > filters
> > > which were not specifically created to emulate the
> > > analog filters.
> > > And I in fact disagree that Samplers COVER analog emulation synths ..
> > > Saying this - any romplers which have sine , saw and some other waves
> > cover analog
> > > em. synths - and that's of course a funny statement.
> > > Ray.
> > >
> > > Peter Korsten wrote:
> > >
> > > > Paul Murphy shared with us:
> > > > > This thread seems to have gone off the track.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, well, it's the bane of this list, I 'spose...
> > > >
> > > > > Let me go back to a statement made by Peter :
> > > > >
> > > > > "  Are you nuts??? Commercial trance producers do NOT use
sampling-cds
> > for
> > > > > creating arpeggios!!!!!
> > > > >     It is impossible to create  authentic dynamic filter
modulation
> > with
> > > > > it!!! "
> > > >
> > > > Wasn't me. :) (But that's been covered already.)
> > > >
> > > > > I was actually agreeing with his statement, saying that if you
desire
> > these
> > > > > sort of trance arpeggios, you wouldn't sample CD's because you
would
> > be
> > > > > restricted to the notes and dynamic filter effects that were
applied
> > to the
> > > > > original sample.
> > > > >
> > > > > Buying an actual synth would be a better option for this
application
> > because
> > > > > you could construct the arpeggios you want with the effects you
want.
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > > >
> > > > The way I see it, it would be a better option to use a different
> > > > sample, then.
> > > >
> > > > There really isn't much difference between synths like the AN1x
> > > > and the A-series samplers. The oscillators differ - and that's it.
> > > > Both rely on the substractive synthesis method, which basically
> > > > means they both use filters to make the sound interesting.
> > > >
> > > > - Peter
> > > >
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Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance

2000-11-19 by Peter Korsten

From: "Paul Murphy" <merfman@...>

> Have you discounted GIGASAMPLER ?
> depends on your sound card I spose.

And your budget. A full-fledged PC with lots of everything  isn't exactly
cheap.

- Peter

Re: [AN1x-list] Re: Commercial Trance

2000-12-12 by Bastiaan van de Werk

I thought the nova/supernova was the most popular synth for trance....Well,
it doesn't eally matter what synth you got, it's how you use it...but the
felling of plauging thru all parameters with getting 'that' sound is all to
familiar...

Met Vriendelijke Groet / With Kind Regards,

Bastiaan van de Werk
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Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2000 10:39 AM
Subject: [AN1x-list] Re: Commercial Trance


> Hi,
>
> > I am sitting here with my An1x. It shines with a
> > great design,
> > and cool analog sounds.
>
> I think we all know the feeling.
>
> > I am wondering how the big commercial trance
> > musicians, such
> > as Paul van Dyk, Dj Jean , Dj Jurgen and so on, are
> > making
> > their big nice main-leads in their songs.
>
> To my knowledge a lot of high-profile trance producers
> use the an1x. But the most used synth in commercial
> trance music . . . (jurgen, alice DJ, system f etc.)
> is the jp8080.
>
> Greetings and Goodluck,
>
> M
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Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance

2000-12-16 by Bastiaan van de Werk

Well beacuse a sampler can do a hundred thing a synth cant'....isn't that
obvious....try to make a drumkit of farts and yer own burps and handclaps on
your an1x or any other synth....

Also my an1x  lack polyphony...I can samlpe notes on my a4000 and use those
instead to free my an1x up for other sounds....etc.etc.

Met Vriendelijke Groet / With Kind Regards,

Bastiaan van de Werk
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 7:29 AM
Subject: Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance


> Yes but why would buy a sampler just to sample CD's when you could spend
the
> same money on the actual synth (????)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Peter Korsten <peterk@...>
> To: <AN1x-list@egroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 7:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance
>
>
> > From: "Marlon J\ufffdrs" <M.Juers@...>
> >
> > > Are you nuts??? Commercial trance producers do NOT use sampling-cds
for
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > > creating arpeggios!!!!!
> > > It is impossible to create  authentic dynamic filter modulation with
> it!!!
> > > Open your ears!
> > > Do you know "Kay Cee"? Listen to it!!!
> >
> > Apart from the fact that this mail seems a bit overheated for a mailing
> list
> > (we're all friends here, right?), what exactly does a filter have to do
> with
> > whether you use a sample or a simple oscillator, like a sine? As far as
> I'm
> > aware, every sampler or sampling synth on the market has dynamic filters
> on
> > board. (Mine even has static filters.)
> >
> > - Peter
> >
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Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance

2000-12-17 by Bastiaan van de Werk

Yeah, I know these where metaohorical for 'ANY SOUND'...I meant to say you
could create a very wide and diverse palet of sounds with a sampler not just
'repodruce' existing sounds..

Sorry for the confusion, I never actually sampled farts and burps you
know....

Met Vriendelijke Groet / With Kind Regards,

Bastiaan van de Werk
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 7:13 AM
Subject: Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance


> Oh - I thought we were talking about trance arpegios - not burps and fart
> concertos.
>
> Sorry.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bastiaan van de Werk <Hajee@...>
> To: <AN1x-list@egroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 3:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance
>
>
> > Well beacuse a sampler can do a hundred thing a synth cant'....isn't
that
> > obvious....try to make a drumkit of farts and yer own burps and
handclaps
> on
> > your an1x or any other synth....
> >
> > Also my an1x  lack polyphony...I can samlpe notes on my a4000 and use
> those
> > instead to free my an1x up for other sounds....etc.etc.
> >
> > Met Vriendelijke Groet / With Kind Regards,
> >
> > Bastiaan van de Werk
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Paul Murphy <merfman@...>
> > To: <AN1x-list@egroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 7:29 AM
> > Subject: Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance
> >
> >
> > > Yes but why would buy a sampler just to sample CD's when you could
spend
> > the
> > > same money on the actual synth (????)
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Peter Korsten <peterk@...>
> > > To: <AN1x-list@egroups.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 7:16 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance
> > >
> > >
> > > > From: "Marlon J\ufffdrs" <M.Juers@...>
> > > >
> > > > > Are you nuts??? Commercial trance producers do NOT use
sampling-cds
> > for
> > > > > creating arpeggios!!!!!
> > > > > It is impossible to create  authentic dynamic filter modulation
with
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > > it!!!
> > > > > Open your ears!
> > > > > Do you know "Kay Cee"? Listen to it!!!
> > > >
> > > > Apart from the fact that this mail seems a bit overheated for a
> mailing
> > > list
> > > > (we're all friends here, right?), what exactly does a filter have to
> do
> > > with
> > > > whether you use a sample or a simple oscillator, like a sine? As far
> as
> > > I'm
> > > > aware, every sampler or sampling synth on the market has dynamic
> filters
> > > on
> > > > board. (Mine even has static filters.)
> > > >
> > > > - Peter
> > > >
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Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance

2000-12-17 by Bastiaan van de Werk

Yes, you are right about the arps, but in this case youd actually be using
the sampler as a phrase sampler not a fully fledged one...a real sampler can
be used to make yer own sounds (synth-like or whatever.....) whith which you
can make new arpegios, riffs or whatever you like...In the latter situation
your sampler would essentially be a synth (with unlimited osc's) as someone
earlier stated..


Met Vriendelijke Groet / With Kind Regards,

Bastiaan van de Werk
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 7:18 AM
Subject: Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance


> I made this statement in the context of achieving TRANCE ARPEGIOS as
opposed
> to sampling them of a CD.
>
> Let me get this right - if you SAMPLE an arpegio FROM A CD, arent you
stuck
> with the filtering and effects that it was recorded with on the CD ??
>
> ( Whereas if you buy a synth and program the arpegio you can apply your
own
> without being encumbered by that which was used on the CD ! )
>
> If you're going to quote me, at least address the actual context of the
> thread !
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Peter Korsten <peterk@...>
> To: <AN1x-list@egroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 8:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance
>
>
> > Paul Murphy shared with us:
> > > Yes but why would buy a sampler just to sample CD's when you could
spend
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> the
> > > same money on the actual synth (????)
> >
> > A sampler is a synth, simple as that. The only difference with,
> > for instance, the AN1x, is the oscillator. And that is only one
> > part of the synthesis engine. In regard to amplification, filter
> > and effects section, there no real difference with, say, an EX5,
> > with the exception that the EX5 blows the AN1x out of the water in
> > these areas.
> >
> > It's a bit like comparing apples and oranges, because of the
> > oscillator, and therefore you won't hear me say that the EX5 actually
> > *sounds* better than the AN1x. My subjective impression is that it
> > does, but the one can make sounds that the other can't (if I
> > disregard for a moment that the EX5 has an AN section) and vice
> > versa.
> >
> > So, in my planned setup, I'm going to expand the EX5 to full sampler
> > specs, I'll buy a Supernova II Pro X rack, and finally an EMU Ultra
> > sampler. With those, I can produce the sounds that I really want.
> > Perhaps not all sounds available - for which I would need an FS1r,
> > K5000, Fizmo, Microwave, etc. - but it suits the direction I want
> > to take in music.
> >
> > - Peter
> >
> > - Peter
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Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance

2000-12-19 by Bastiaan van de Werk

I own the A4000 and it's a beasty for the money...the scsi i slow (readinf
cd rom's is) but for transfer to and from your computer it's okay. Get an
internal ide Zip drive with it, that's what I've done for storage tho. It's
the most reliable way. Soon we will have firewire or mlan or whatever it's
called, this should be very interseting when connecting your sampler to your
computer (very fast sample retreival etc..)

The strong points of the A4000/5000 are the filters the fx and the synthesis
parametersm very good sounding and very elaborate possibilities! Check out
teklab for more info on the a series of samplers.

Met Vriendelijke Groet / With Kind Regards,

Bastiaan van de Werk
----- Original Message -----
From: RayMaxer <digil@...>
To: <AN1x-list@egroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance


> Paul ,
> I fully agree with you (though why 'forget the technology' ? ) - and you
know
> what ? I am not having a sampler even yet here ..
> I use audio tracks in sequencer plus used sampling functions in the audio
card
> but now I have changed to Gina 24 and I definitly gonna get myself a Ultra
(Emu)
> or something else .
> But currently I've been using 4 synths but no samplers ... (AN-1x, ViRUS
b,
> WaveStation SR and Proteus 2000)
> Speaking about samplers - I am going to get a top-end sampler and am
thinking
> about EMU Ultra series and AKAI 5000 ... or maybe Yamaha A4000-A5000 (but
the
> latest has UGLY SCSI as I know so I am somehow not sure if its in the same
> 'line') ..
> Could anyone give some advice on this topic ?
> Thanks.
> <And again - not for sampling others loops , melodies and so on - I am
kinda
> thinking of using it half like a synth , for drum sounds plus some real
> instruments and editing the hell out of ViRUS and otther lines with dif.
FX>
> Ray.
>
> Paul Murphy wrote:
>
> > Forget the technology, - I just cant see how recording someone elses
> > arpeggio and trying to manipulate that can be compared to playing your
own
> > and applying your own filters !
> >
> > Am I the only one here who sees that ?
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: RayMaxer <digil@...>
> > To: <AN1x-list@egroups.com>
> > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 10:04 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AN1x-list] Commercial Trance
> >
> > > In fact - I am not sure on this of course , but I suppose there should
be
> > a
> > > difference in how the filters work ..
> > > In AN1x or ViRUS or ... we have a digital emulation of an analog VCF -
the
> > > algorithm in AN1x for the filter is to emulate VCF ...
> > > And in the samplers we usually have just the usual digital LPF or HPF
> > filters
> > > which were not specifically created to emulate the
> > > analog filters.
> > > And I in fact disagree that Samplers COVER analog emulation synths ..
> > > Saying this - any romplers which have sine , saw and some other waves
> > cover analog
> > > em. synths - and that's of course a funny statement.
> > > Ray.
> > >
> > > Peter Korsten wrote:
> > >
> > > > Paul Murphy shared with us:
> > > > > This thread seems to have gone off the track.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, well, it's the bane of this list, I 'spose...
> > > >
> > > > > Let me go back to a statement made by Peter :
> > > > >
> > > > > "  Are you nuts??? Commercial trance producers do NOT use
sampling-cds
> > for
> > > > > creating arpeggios!!!!!
> > > > >     It is impossible to create  authentic dynamic filter
modulation
> > with
> > > > > it!!! "
> > > >
> > > > Wasn't me. :) (But that's been covered already.)
> > > >
> > > > > I was actually agreeing with his statement, saying that if you
desire
> > these
> > > > > sort of trance arpeggios, you wouldn't sample CD's because you
would
> > be
> > > > > restricted to the notes and dynamic filter effects that were
applied
> > to the
> > > > > original sample.
> > > > >
> > > > > Buying an actual synth would be a better option for this
application
> > because
> > > > > you could construct the arpeggios you want with the effects you
want.
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> > > >
> > > > The way I see it, it would be a better option to use a different
> > > > sample, then.
> > > >
> > > > There really isn't much difference between synths like the AN1x
> > > > and the A-series samplers. The oscillators differ - and that's it.
> > > > Both rely on the substractive synthesis method, which basically
> > > > means they both use filters to make the sound interesting.
> > > >
> > > > - Peter
> > > >
> > > >
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