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An1X Editor - Received BULK isn't saved on AN1X >> HELP?

An1X Editor - Received BULK isn't saved on AN1X >> HELP?

2015-11-18 by rikkiiz@...

Hi there guys!

I'm quiet new to working with the AN1X, so i might be doing something wrong!
I'm using the AN1X editor connected with a Alesis Midi cable to my AN1X.
When I do a Bulk Dump, after a while the AN1X says Bulk Received!
But when I turn the synth off and on again, the new sounds are not saved into my AN1x.

When I send a single sound from the editor to the synth it's taking a really long time.
It says Receiving Bulk.. After like 5 minutes it says SysExFile Error.
Does this problem has something to do with my midi-cable? I tried to
look for a solution on the webs but i can't really find anything apart from buy a really expensive cable.
or in the An1x manual: "
Received System Exclusive message size is incorrect.

Confirm the size of the transmitted data.
How do I confirm the size of the transmitted data?

This one was 30,- Euro's.

Thanks already!



 

 

re: [AN1x] An1X Editor - Received BULK isn't saved on AN1X >> HELP?

2015-11-19 by Jeff

Does this problem has something to do with my midi-cable?
Very likely yes ! For some obscure and unknown reason some work and others not, whatever their price or brand.

I have a basic Prodipe USB - MIDI cable (1 in - 1 out) and it works with the editor, other similar products no. And don't expect to be certain of the result with more expensive and complex USB - MIDI interfaces. There is a lot of posts about it on the forum... if i remember it could be a matter of software driver and/or buffer size of the "cable", which is not only a cable but has some electronics inside.

 

Cheers.

J.F.

 

 

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> Hi there guys!
>
> I'm quiet new to working with the AN1X, so i might be doing something wrong!
> I'm using the AN1X editor connected with a Alesis Midi cable to my AN1X.
> When I do a Bulk Dump, after a while the AN1X says Bulk Received!
> But when I turn the synth off and on again, the new sounds are not saved into my AN1x.
>
> When I send a single sound from the editor to the synth it's taking a really long time.
> It says Receiving Bulk.. After like 5 minutes it says SysExFile Error.
> Does this problem has something to do with my midi-cable? I tried to
> look for a solution on the webs but i can't really find anything apart from buy a really expensive cable.
> or in the An1x manual: "
Received System Exclusive message size is incorrect.

> Confirm the size of the transmitted data.
> How do I confirm the size of the transmitted data?
>
> This one was 30,- Euro's.
>
> Thanks already!
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Re: [AN1x] An1X Editor - Received BULK isn't saved on AN1X >> HELP?

2015-11-19 by Bruno

MIDI interface uses opto-isolators to prevent ground loops or voltage spikes. Moreover, MIDI was conceived ~10 years before USB, and its bandwidth is far more limited. Thus USB/MIDI "cable" is not just a cable, but a specialized device, which should contain a buffer, in case of the data coming from USB side faster, than MIDI side could consume it. If this buffer is too small, the data can be malformed, causing errors or being discarded.

2015-11-19 18:59 GMT+01:00 rik.vanhoenacker@... [AN1x-list] <AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com>:


Electronics inside a midi cable ??? That's new to me :-o


re: [AN1x] An1X Editor - Received BULK isn't saved on AN1X >> HELP?

2015-11-19 by Jeff

Yes, but "cable" is not completely true, "interface" should be better.

You have 2 MIDI cables, IN and OUT, their data towards and from the synth (or other MIDI device) must be merged and sorted ttowards a single USB socket. The little box in the middle or around the USB connector is not only a support for the LED(s) blinking with the data flow.

Cheers.

J.F.

 

 

 

 

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Re: An1X Editor - Received BULK isn't saved on AN1X >> HELP?

2015-11-19 by DEREK COOK

Hi,

I'd say it is not a low battery if you are not getting a "Battery Low Message". If you watch the bulk dump to memory messages in the AN1x screen, do you see error messages. I am suspicious if you cannot get data to the edit buffer, then it is likely that the memory dump is also failing even if the AN1x is not telling you so (unusual, but....).

The other thing to check is that the SYSEX Device Number (button is in the Utility/Setup row) is set to ALL. If you only have one AN1x on a MIDI port then this is the best setting, and the AN1x will respond to dumps with any Device Number. Device number is useful if you have two synths of the same type on a MIDI chain and you want to update one not the other - you set them to have different device number, and then you have to have software that can set the device number for the dump. But having said that, are you getting "Device Number Error" messages? If not then that is probably not the problem, but worth ruling out.

I am very skeptical about USB/MIDI cables if that is what you have as your MIDI Interface. As author of products like an.factory, now and again I have users who have problems with MIDI SYSEX transfers, and my first question is are they using a MIDI/USB cable, and if so then my recommendation is to replace it with a proper interface (A MIDISport 2x2 or similar is not expensive). When the answer is "yes, I am using a USB/MIDI cable", the user swapping to a "proper interface" has always solved the reported problems.

The problem is that these cables have very small MIDI data buffers. That is fine for basic MIDI data which is 1-3 bytes in length but SYSEX messages can be hundreds of bytes in length, which mean they are prone to buffer overflows, which can corrupt the data being sent/received. An AN1x voice bulk dump is over 700 bytes long.

Whilst Alesis is usually a reputable make, I'd still treat your AN1x to a decent MIDI interface. She is worth it! :-)

You can check the data being sent to the AN1x by using something like MIDIOX (just google that and you will find it). What I would do to check the interface is to connect ALESIS MIDI OUT to AN1x MIDI IN and AN1x MIDI THRU to ALESIS MIDI In. That will provide an external "loopback" that you can use to check your links.

Send a MIDI dump to the AN1x - the MIDI Thru will echo it back to the PC, so you are checking both transmission and reception paths of the interface. Look at the SYSEX dump in MIDIOX, Compare it against the dumps in the data list manual. Does it start wit F0, does it end in F7 and is it the right length?

My money is on the interface being the issue :-)

HTH

Cheers
Derek