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> Hi folks. I have been playing with TB MIDI Stuff,
> http://www.thiburce.com/TBStuff/?page_id=664 - an iPad App designed to
> send MIDI messages (controllers, notes, sysex etc). I am looking at
> creating an AN1x/AN200 voice editor. Very early days yet but I have some
> controls programmed to edit some parameters of the filter and pitch
> envelope, just for testing purposes.
>
> What has got me particularly excited is that the developer has added what
> he calls bi-directional sysex, which means that, if supported, the editor
> can send a series of requests for specific sysex parameters, receive back
> the parameter values, and alter the iPad on-screen control values according
> to the values of the synth voice being edited. This is pretty exciting
> because it means that all your values are "in the right place" when you
> start editing.
>
> The developer shows a couple of examples here:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yj6Qga1CJUY
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yh00Y32dgE0
>
> The target synth in the videos is a Roland GR55. The method by which all
> the messages are set up is not explained. Nor is it discussed at any length
> in the TB MIDI manual, so I expect to have to pester the developer in due
> course.
>
> But finally, I get to my question! Does anyone know if there are sysex
> strings, which can be sent to the AN1x, which will result in *individual*
> parameter values being sent back? I understand the bulk dump requests and
> options, more or less. I can initiate a bulk dump by the AN1x say from
> MIDI-OX on the PC. But can I request parameters one at a time, as is
> obviously happening in the YouTube videos above?
>
> I have the AN1x DataList, but I can't see anything there which would
> suggest this can be done. The is an FAQ on the TB MIDI site which I think
> is suggesting that this is a Roland feature and not Yamaha - but the
> language isn't absolutely clear.
> http://www.thiburce.com/TBStuff/?page_id=472#BiDirectional
> I am pretty sure that TB MIDI can't parse a full sysex dump into
> individual parameters - that would be too device-specific for a generic
> MIDI message app.
>
> If bi-di sysex isn't possible, it will still be possible to create a
> usable editor, which I'll be happy to share with the community. But it
> would be great to be able to set the controls to match the current synth
> voice being edited.
> Any thoughts most welcome.
>
> Bill
>
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--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, Bruno <brunorc@...> wrote:

> Isn't the (3-5-5) DUMP REQUEST command the thing you need? I'm just looking at the Data List (page 13), no possibility to check it with my AN1x in the next few hours... but it seems you can specify the address of the parameter you want, and it will send the value back to you. Seems like Current Voice/Pattern data can be freely accessed, while User Voice/Pattern data has "(only Bulk Dump)" annotation.

> So, how I see it is that if you want to request a dump of the whole Current Voice, you would specify the address "10 00 00", but if you only want to access the Arpegggio Hold param, you would use "10 00 54", and so on.
> Cheers,
> Bruno

>

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "twobeelandscape" <bill@...> wrote:
>
> Bruno, thank you very much. Now you have pointed it out, it seems obvious that a dump request with a specific address would return the parameter value for that address - although not so obvious that the data list/manual would bother to explicitly state it! My slight concern is that the H/M/L addresses referred to might be only Data Table <1-1>, the bulk dump types, rather than Table <1-2>, the Parameters.
>
> Tonight, I will set up some tests in MIDI-OX to see if a Parameter request returns anything, then try to set up the request/parameter setting in TB MIDI Stuff. Many thanks again for you help - I'll report back.

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "witchole" <dougwoodrow@...> wrote:
>
> Interesting project!
> This might be of some help:
> http://www.jososoft.dk/yamaha/pdf/Beggar_SysExGuide.pdf
> (although it's only specifically for Yamaha DB-50XG daughter boards).
>

Curious to know if this ever developed?

Hi lvbnjmn (if this isn't your name, feel free to post with your name ;-)

Sadly no further on with the editor, mostly due to work commitments.  However, it remains a good option for setting the AN1x parameters, so I do expect to get back to it.  Sadly, there seems to be no way to read the parameters of a patch loaded on the AN1x.  It's not possible to request individual parameter data via Sysex, and the TB MIDI Stuff developer has said he won't incorporate any kind of bulk dump parsing option, so it will always be necessary to just mess with the settings within the editor, without knowing the existing settings on the synth.  It's a shame, but this seems to always be the case (eg with generic editors and hardware like the BCR2000), except when programmers write dedicated software/hardware editors which can request bulk dumps and parse, then display, the resulting data into individual parameters.

Regards

Bill

> Hi Bill, and list
>
> Thanks so much for the reply and update. I appreciate that. Too bad about the inability to receive the parameter info. For me it would certainly still be very useful to access the settings at all because I have an AN200 without access to many parameters, or the ability to use the AN Editor on Mac osx. And I tend to like to make my patches from scratch, and with TBMS, at least one can create an 'Init' template, save as default settings, and 'send current settings' to have all settings of the synth and editor be congruent to start.
>
> Alas, I am inexperienced with SysEx and find it daunting to create a page/canvas for all the Params of the AN engine, though if you're willing to share what you've got so far, I'd be happy to study it as an example and work at contributing to it. I am a quick study :). Anyway, thanks for your work, Bill.
>
> Best regards, Benjamin

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, Sean King <skseanking1@...> wrote:
>
> its really silly there is no mac osx an1xeditor and it is only for ppc...
> it cant be that hard to port to mac osx and its a shame that whoever made
> the program won't just fork over the source code.... if the source code
> could be available somehow, that'd be great.
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Gerald Raucamp <yahoogroups@...>wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > On Sun Oct 20 2013, Benjamin Lee <lvbnjmn@...> wrote:
> > > Hi Bill, and list
> > >
> > > Thanks so much for the reply and update. I appreciate that. Too bad
> > about the inability to receive the parameter info. For me it would
> > certainly still be very useful to access the settings at all because I have
> > an AN200 without access to many parameters, or the ability to use the AN
> > Editor on Mac osx. And I tend to like to make my patches from scratch, and
> > with TBMS, at least one can create an 'Init' template, save as default
> > settings, and 'send current settings' to have all settings of the synth and
> > editor be congruent to start.
> > >
> > > Alas, I am inexperienced with SysEx and find it daunting to create a
> > page/canvas for all the Params of the AN engine, though if you're willing
> > to share what you've got so far, I'd be happy to study it as an example and
> > work at contributing to it. I am a quick study :). Anyway, thanks for your
> > work, Bill.
> > >
> > > Best regards, Benjamin
> >
> > Hi Benjamin,
> >
> > It should be possible to run an1xeditor on OSX, you would just need to
> > have some kind of XP license somewhere, or old windows 95/98 cdrom. And
> > something like Virtualbox.
> >
> > Add in some proper usb-midi device, which you can passthrough with
> > virtualbox to the windows installation, and you should be all good to go
> > :)
> >
> > If you have an old laptop or computer with an unused Windows XP license,
> > you're in business the official way (I've reused some old Dell OEM XP
> > license from a laptop I have lying around, ok so it's not entirely
> > official, since it isn't running on the laptop, which is running ubuntu,
> > but hey :P)
> >
> > Good luck :)
> >
> > --
> > Gerald Raucamp - cavey@...
> > http://www.cavey.nl
> >
> >
> >
>

Windows XP? Virtualbox?

The AN200 editor plugin + XG Works can run under Windows 7, so also in Bootcamp.

its really silly there is no mac�osx�an1xeditor and it is only for ppc... �it cant�be that hard to port to mac�osx�and its a shame that whoever made the program won't�just fork over the source code.... if the source code could be available somehow, that'd be great.

It might be silly, but there's a good reason for it. Gary Gregson was contracted by Yamaha to write the editor for Windows and MacOS. At the time, there was no OS X, and there certainly weren't any Intel-based Macs (except perhaps in Cupertino).

The rights of the source code reside with Yamaha, so Gary can't publish them. He presumably also can't go and rewrite it for OS X and Intel, apart from the fact that Yamaha wouldn't pay for this port.

So: complain to Yamaha. They're the ones that are sitting on the source code and not doing anything with it.

- Peter

Yeah I had feeling it was Yamaha's fault...  lets all complain to them!    I do understand why they would have no interest in making an editor available on osx for a synth that came out in 1997.  But come on...  im sure a lot of an1x owners would use it.

On Oct 23, 2013 12:54 PM, "Peter Korsten" <peter@...> wrote:

 

Sean King schreef op 22-10-2013 21:33:

its really silly there is no mac�osx�an1xeditor and it is only for ppc... �it cant�be that hard to port to mac�osx�and its a shame that whoever made the program won't�just fork over the source code.... if the source code could be available somehow, that'd be great.

It might be silly, but there's a good reason for it. Gary Gregson was contracted by Yamaha to write the editor for Windows and MacOS. At the time, there was no OS X, and there certainly weren't any Intel-based Macs (except perhaps in Cupertino).

The rights of the source code reside with Yamaha, so Gary can't publish them. He presumably also can't go and rewrite it for OS X and Intel, apart from the fact that Yamaha wouldn't pay for this port.

So: complain to Yamaha. They're the ones that are sitting on the source code and not doing anything with it.

- Peter

 

Sean King schreef op 22-10-2013 21:33:

its really silly there is no mac�osx�an1xeditor and it is only for ppc... �it cant�be that hard to port to mac�osx�and its a shame that whoever made the program won't�just fork over the source code.... if the source code could be available somehow, that'd be great.

It might be silly, but there's a good reason for it. Gary Gregson was contracted by Yamaha to write the editor for Windows and MacOS. At the time, there was no OS X, and there certainly weren't any Intel-based Macs (except perhaps in Cupertino).

The rights of the source code reside with Yamaha, so Gary can't publish them. He presumably also can't go and rewrite it for OS X and Intel, apart from the fact that Yamaha wouldn't pay for this port.

So: complain to Yamaha. They're the ones that are sitting on the source code and not doing anything with it.

- Peter

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, Juan Pablo Cuervo <audioprof2001@...> wrote:
>
> SysEx reverse eng. is very easy...
>  
> Install MidiOX, MIDIYoke, AN Expert Editor or XGWorks with AN Editor plugin,
> PlayOnMac if OSX.
> done.
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 23, 2013 12:20 PM, Sean King <skseanking1@...> wrote:
>
>  
> Yeah I had feeling it was Yamaha's fault...  lets all complain to them!    I do understand why they would have no interest in making an editor available on osx for a synth that came out in 1997.  But come on...  im sure a lot of an1x owners would use it.
> On Oct 23, 2013 12:54 PM, "Peter Korsten" <peter@...> wrote:
>
>
> > 
> >Sean King schreef op 22-10-2013 21:33:
> >
> >
> >its really silly there is no mac�osx�an1xeditor and it is only for ppc... �it cant�be that hard to port to mac�osx�and its a shame that whoever made the program won't�just fork over the source code.... if the source code could be available somehow, that'd be great.
> >>
> >It might be silly, but there's a good reason for it. Gary Gregson
> was contracted by Yamaha to write the editor for Windows and MacOS.
> At the time, there was no OS X, and there certainly weren't any
> Intel-based Macs (except perhaps in Cupertino).
> >
> >The rights of the source code reside with Yamaha, so Gary can't
> publish them. He presumably also can't go and rewrite it for OS X
> and Intel, apart from the fact that Yamaha wouldn't pay for this
> port.
> >
> >So: complain to Yamaha. They're the ones that are sitting on the
> source code and not doing anything with it.
> >
> >- Peter
> >
>

 

Hi,

I don't understand why you would want to reverse engineer the SYSEX format that AN1xEdit would be using, when it is defined in the AN1x Data List Manual! :-)

Cheers
Derek

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, Juan Pablo Cuervo <audioprof2001@...> wrote:
>
> SysEx reverse eng. is very easy...
>  
> Install MidiOX, MIDIYoke, AN Expert Editor or XGWorks with AN Editor plugin,
> PlayOnMac if OSX.
> done.
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 23, 2013 12:20 PM, Sean King <skseanking1@...> wrote:
>
>  
> Yeah I had feeling it was Yamaha's fault...  lets all complain to them!    I do understand why they would have no interest in making an editor available on osx for a synth that came out in 1997.  But come on...  im sure a lot of an1x owners would use it.
> On Oct 23, 2013 12:54 PM, "Peter Korsten" <peter@...> wrote:
>
>
> > 
> >Sean King schreef op 22-10-2013 21:33:
> >
> >
> >its really silly there is no mac�osx�an1xeditor and it is only for ppc... �it cant�be that hard to port to mac�osx�and its a shame that whoever made the program won't�just fork over the source code.... if the source code could be available somehow, that'd be great.
> >>
> >It might be silly, but there's a good reason for it. Gary Gregson
> was contracted by Yamaha to write the editor for Windows and MacOS.
> At the time, there was no OS X, and there certainly weren't any
> Intel-based Macs (except perhaps in Cupertino).
> >
> >The rights of the source code reside with Yamaha, so Gary can't
> publish them. He presumably also can't go and rewrite it for OS X
> and Intel, apart from the fact that Yamaha wouldn't pay for this
> port.
> >
> >So: complain to Yamaha. They're the ones that are sitting on the
> source code and not doing anything with it.
> >
> >- Peter
> >
>

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, Nathanael King <nate@...> wrote:
>
> I'm fairly certain the published midi specification is very limited in what it covers. For instance, I don't think anyone knows how to port the free EGs.
>
> Nate
>
>
>
> > On Oct 24, 2013, at 3:23 AM, "derek192603" <dacook.sa432bb@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I don't understand why you would want to reverse engineer the SYSEX format that AN1xEdit would be using, when it is defined in the AN1x Data List Manual! :-)
> >
> > Cheers
> > Derek
> >
> > --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, Juan Pablo Cuervo <audioprof2001@> wrote:
> > >
> > > SysEx reverse eng. is very easy...
> > >
> > > Install MidiOX, MIDIYoke, AN Expert Editor or XGWorks with AN Editor plugin,
> > > PlayOnMac if OSX.
> > > done.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wednesday, October 23, 2013 12:20 PM, Sean King <skseanking1@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Yeah I had feeling it was Yamaha's fault... lets all complain to them! I do understand why they would have no interest in making an editor available on osx for a synth that came out in 1997. But come on... im sure a lot of an1x owners would use it.
> > > On Oct 23, 2013 12:54 PM, "Peter Korsten" <peter@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >Sean King schreef op 22-10-2013 21:33:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >its really silly there is no mac�osx�an1xeditor and it is only for ppc... �it cant�be that hard to port to mac�osx�and its a shame that whoever made the program won't�just fork over the source code.... if the source code could be available somehow, that'd be great.
> > > >>
> > > >It might be silly, but there's a good reason for it. Gary Gregson
> > > was contracted by Yamaha to write the editor for Windows and MacOS.
> > > At the time, there was no OS X, and there certainly weren't any
> > > Intel-based Macs (except perhaps in Cupertino).
> > > >
> > > >The rights of the source code reside with Yamaha, so Gary can't
> > > publish them. He presumably also can't go and rewrite it for OS X
> > > and Intel, apart from the fact that Yamaha wouldn't pay for this
> > > port.
> > > >
> > > >So: complain to Yamaha. They're the ones that are sitting on the
> > > source code and not doing anything with it.
> > > >
> > > >- Peter
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>