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Basic question about PARTS / Multitimbrality

Basic question about PARTS / Multitimbrality

2012-12-10 by dan

Hi, i'm interested in buying this fantastic synth, and i read that AN1x got 2 parts with 5 + 5 notes.

I would like to know if:
- i can use 2 completely different patches
- i can sequence these 2 parts with 2 midi channels
- i can easily split and assign these parts to the keyboard

thanks

dan

Re: [AN1x] Basic question about PARTS / Multitimbrality

2012-12-10 by Jeff

Hi Dan !
welcome to the club ...

dan a écrit :
>
> Hi, i'm interested in buying this fantastic synth, and i read that
> AN1x got 2 parts with 5 + 5 notes.
>
That's true : either 10 notes on "single" patches or 5 + 5.
Unfortunately there is no dynamic allocation of the polyphony depending
on how and what you play, for ex. you have 5 notes on your left hand,
you play a single note bass line, that does not give you more than 5
notes on the right hand.
The AN1x keyboard has 3 modes : polyphonic, legato (2 notes max.) and
mono, as a lot of synths.
Legato and mono are useful to emulate huge monosynths of yesterdays

>
> I would like to know if:
> - i can use 2 completely different patches
>
Yes . For ex. you want to play "strings" chords with your left hand
while soloing with some weird synth patch with the right one, and you
have both patches somewhere in your synth or your computer. Copy each
one to one "scene" of some empty or useless memory , and it's done. Then
you can split the keyboard as you want.
>
> - i can sequence these 2 parts with 2 midi channels
>
I'm afraid not, but i've never tried it. The internal sequencer or
arpeggiator can be assigned to the right or left part of the keyboard at
will. If i remember well the 2 "scenes" share the same MIDI channel number.
>
> - i can easily split and assign these parts to the keyboard
>
Yes. You can assign one scene to the right part of the keyboard, and the
other...to the other, and set the split point where you want (default
C3). Or even swap them.
One interesting feature with these "scenes", plus the split - layer
possibility, is to "morph" between both scenes once you've assigned the
"morphing" to the mod wheel. It's not a simple sound balance between 2
layers but a progressive change of the sound parameters from one to the
other, giving sometimes weird sounds in between with synth patches. I've
found it very useful for organ patches to travel between a rock organ
and a more jazzy sound, a bit like you can do with the drawbars.

OK, 10 note polyphony is sometimes not enough, but not so often ...
Remember of the 5 or 6 note polyphony of the vintage Prophet, Jupiter
and other analog polys of old the AN1x was intended to emulate. It does
the job...
Yamaha had issued a great but underrated instrument. Sometimes i regret
they've not made an "AN2x" with more polyphony, knobs ...but with the
same sound engine. Surely Yamaha's marketing department has decided that
the big business was not there, leaving it to others.


>
> thanks
>
> dan
>
Cheers.
J.F.
>
>
>

Re: Basic question about PARTS / Multitimbrality

2012-12-10 by twobeelandscape

Hi Dan, the answer is yes, yes and yes. Start by looking at the AN1X User manual in the Files Section of this Group.

Pages 19-23 describe Scenes, which is how the AN1X creates two sounds/timbres per patch, each with 5 note polyphony. Each scene can be switched in/out with the Scene1/2 switches. When both Scenes are selected, they are layered and can be morphed betweeen by the Mod Wheel. This is a continuous parameter morph, not a volume cross-fade - so you may turn up interesting sounds in mid-morph!

The Layer Mode button allows 6 modes including Split left/right of a defined key, so you could use the keyboard a single incoming MIDI channel to play two sounds, just based on key range.

Page 93 of the manual states: "Each Scene can be assigned its own MIDI channel and be played independently by incoming MIDI signals (when Layer mode is set to SPLIT/SPLIT UNISON or DUAL/DUAL UNISON)."

The only thing you don't get in respect of multi-timbrality is dual outputs - everything goes out of the stereo output pair. If it was really important to you, you could pan one Scene hard left, the other hard right, and use external effects to treat them differently, but generally they can be mixed within the AN1X, which allows you to use the onboard stereo panning, chorus, delay and reverb-type effects.

The AN1X has a very competent MIDI spec. It's not quite my idea of a desert island synth because it has no mod matrix (by which I mean, for example, modulating LFO speed with an envelope). Neither do I find editing so easy on the knob matrix, others may be very happy with it. It is still my intention to create a Behringer BCR2000 template for it one day, which will hopefully make editing a breeze.

However, a huge range of analogue synth sounds are available to it (loads to download online) - and it just sounds great. You won't regret getting one.

Enjoy!

Bill


--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "dan" <danielesamas@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, i'm interested in buying this fantastic synth, and i read that AN1x got 2 parts with 5 + 5 notes.
>
> I would like to know if:
> - i can use 2 completely different patches
> - i can sequence these 2 parts with 2 midi channels
> - i can easily split and assign these parts to the keyboard
>
> thanks
>
> dan
>

Re: Basic question about PARTS / Multitimbrality

2012-12-11 by dan

Thanks Jeff and Bill, very useful informations.

I think with Ableton and max for live the mod matrix can be extended to what we want, giving to the AN1X an enormous power in studio use.

I use Live and max with my AN200 and i can say that even my analog synth has been surpassed by Yamaha morphing and sound shaping ability.

Maybe the best VA ever, i love it.

Ciao!

Re: Basic question about PARTS / Multitimbrality

2012-12-24 by Bill H

Thanks, guys, for the great discussion. It gets my imagination going.

It's not exactly on topic, but I'll mention that I've often thought of installing 2 PLG150ANs into my ES Rack and addressing them as two different midi devices as a way of expanding the simultaneous possibilities of AN synthesis. It's probably excessive, but that could be multiplied another time or more for even more AN capability!

Food for thought.

Bill H

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "dan" wrote:
> ... sequence these 2 parts with 2 midi channels

Re: [AN1x] Re: Basic question about PARTS / Multitimbrality

2012-12-25 by Jeff

Merry Xmas Bill and you all AN1x guys !
@+
J.F.


Bill H a écrit :
>
> Thanks, guys, for the great discussion. It gets my imagination going.
>
> It's not exactly on topic, but I'll mention that I've often thought of
> installing 2 PLG150ANs into my ES Rack and addressing them as two
> different midi devices as a way of expanding the simultaneous
> possibilities of AN synthesis. It's probably excessive, but that could
> be multiplied another time or more for even more AN capability!
>
> Food for thought.
>
> Bill H
>
> --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AN1x-list%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "dan" wrote:
> > ... sequence these 2 parts with 2 midi channels
>
>

Re: Basic question about PARTS / Multitimbrality

2012-12-26 by dan

Hey Bill, very interesting question that i promote for my topic!

Can you tell me more about The Motif ES Rack that can attract An1x/AN200 players?
Has it arpeggiator, sequencer, 16 parts and sampler ?
How many expansion cards can handle?

this is not excessive, it's music power! :)

thank you

Re: Basic question about PARTS / Multitimbrality

2013-01-10 by Bill H

Hi dan!

Here's the ES Rack description on Yamaha:

http://usa.yamaha.com/products/music-production/tone-generators/motif-rack_es/?mode=model

And here's the ES Rack on Motifator.com where you can download the PDF manual and also where you can register and find great discussions on using the ES Rack synth with plugin-cards:

http://usa.yamaha.com/products/music-production/tone-generators/motif-rack_es/?mode=model

I also remember a great summary article on SonicState.com which I'll post when I find it again.

Bill H


--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "dan" wrote:
> ... Can you tell me more about The Motif ES Rack that can attract An1x/AN200 players? ...

Re: Basic question about PARTS / Multitimbrality

2013-01-10 by Bill H

The article on the ES Rack was on SoundOnSound, not SonicState:

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/may05/articles/yamahamotifes.htm

and it depends on understanding the article on the original Motif rack:

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jun03/articles/yamahamotifrack.asp

It seems to me that the only reason to buy a used ES Rack now is to get the slots for 2 PLG cards. The ES onboard Motif synth is nice and has effects that can be used with the PLG cards. But although the new XS Rack does not have PLG slots, it has a much more modern and an incredibly expressive Motif voice implementation.

Bill

Re: [AN1x] Re: Basic question about PARTS / Multitimbrality

2013-01-11 by Clinton@gmail

On the subject of the motif rack, anyone know if the jog wheel is replaceable? Easily? Perhaps modular?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 10, 2013, at 9:19 AM, "Bill H" <BillHerbert@...> wrote:

>
>
> Hi dan!
>
> Here's the ES Rack description on Yamaha:
>
> http://usa.yamaha.com/products/music-production/tone-generators/motif-rack_es/?mode=model
>
> And here's the ES Rack on Motifator.com where you can download the PDF manual and also where you can register and find great discussions on using the ES Rack synth with plugin-cards:
>
> http://usa.yamaha.com/products/music-production/tone-generators/motif-rack_es/?mode=model
>
> I also remember a great summary article on SonicState.com which I'll post when I find it again.
>
> Bill H
>
> --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "dan" wrote:
> > ... Can you tell me more about The Motif ES Rack that can attract An1x/AN200 players? ...
>
>


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