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Hi Jeff
Ah, you like more special, dirty sounds like the mellotron. Do you know the Yamaha CS80 ? Here you can download a demo Version :
http://www.arturia.com/evolution/en/products/cs-80v/intro.html
Pictures of AN1X Waves do not look like Monomoog but like CS80. Its an CS clone. But escpecially the 24 dB Filter is different from CS80. CS80 Filter is producing two Formants combs if resonance is set to maximum. The reason it can sound so vocal.
But if you chose An1X Feedback to 85 or 92 and Hi-pass about 50-70 AN1X 24 dB filter will change dramatically an will produce a similar charakter. But be careful with that and reduce Amplitude if you try it.
Greetings

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From: Jeff
To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 11:34 PM
Subject: Re: [AN1x] richy



Hello !
i've tried your patches, some are amazing !
the nr 2 mellotron sounds very close to the motion picture "The song
remains the same" soundtrack
with the 22 you can play a reasonable imitation of the final part of
Yes' "Gates of Delirium". Not the same, because the solo synth is dubbed
by Steve Howe playing a pedal steel guitar , but i think Rick Wakeman
would be happy with "Diamonds" if his fellow was on strike...
Some prog-rock stuff, thanks !
Cheerzs.
J.F.

richardon a écrit :
> Hi Jeff
>
>> You have a job in electronics engineering ?
>>
> Yes i studied electronics and sound engineering.
>
>
>> grab an oscilloscope to look at the waveforms ...
>>
> You can use your soundcard for this and will be totally surprised what kind of Init Waveforms An1X is producing. Without feedback only peaks. Therefore the fundamental waves are damped.
> Around feedback=30 you get the signal spectrum of the mathematic functions. But you won't see that, because the overtones are typical yamaha out of phase. But in www you get Spectral
> analysers for free. Thin Waves with damped fundamentals or signal Generator functions produce a modern Sound, but sometimes you like it more musically like a minimoog. Look at minimoogs waveforms, There is a sine Wave added. The fundamentales emphased.
> An1X is a great machine . He can even produce this with the feedback function.
> With a spectral analyzer you will see it best.
> It must be an accident, that presest sounds were programmed with feedback set to zero.
> Of course this thin sounds are modern. But AN1X is a CS80 clone, vintage.
>
>
>> sometimes emulations of "traditional" instruments can be very useful.
>>
> Yes, and if you programm e.g. the breath of a flute seperate you can controle it better than a
> Rom player can do. Roland D50 had an little VA machine. So AN1x is able to produce D50
> sounds. Only the spectral functions must be emulated via FM/Sync. Its also an interesting
> execise to emulate other synthesizers. AN1X can do this with its feedback edge functions
> very well.
> Its Filter changes with feedback too and is very vocal. Together with FX/SYNC, Dely as Comb Filter and breath spectrals he can produce very authentic vocals. I hope so :-)
> And he can spaek more words than "we all die". The AN1x fun examples show this. And of course he can even speak more words.
> Of cause i like this crazy AN1X sounds too. Some examples in this group are really great.
> EG this Atari emulations and of course JayB's great tecno Sounds. Aggressor and Accelerate
> for example. Thats great work.
>
> I have a question. If i upload my sounds to the yahoo An1x group. Can i change them in future ?
> I want to keep them up to date.
> Ciao, au revoir
> richy
>
> Sorry my bad english
>
> Nice sounds
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jeff
> To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 10:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [AN1x] richy
>
>
>
> Welcome !
> very impressive theoretical work : grab an oscilloscope to look at the
> waveforms ... You have a job in electronics engineering ?
> Nice sounds totraditional" instruments o, sometimes emulations of "can
> be very useful.
> Cheers.
> J.F.
>
> richardon a écrit :
> > Hi
> > My name is richy an i live in Karlsruhe /Germany. I am new in AN1x Group.
> > Thank you for the lot of sounds that can be found here. Wow great stuff !
> > I own the An1X since 1996. A great flexible synthesizer. But in the beginning
> > i had some problems to understand and programm it in all details.
> > E.g. I didnt knew, that the AN1X only produces thin Pulswaveforms,if FEEDBACK ist
> > set to zero. So i didn't use it for a while on stage.
> > To get the parameters FEEDBACK and EDGE under controle i started to emulate waveforms
> > of other synthesizers on AN1X. Using an Oszilloscope, Spectral Analyzer and my ears.
> > BTW: AN1x never produces straight Wavepictures like SAW or REC. Because overtones
> > are out of phase. So you have to use a Spectral Analyzer or your ears.
> >
> > Some results of this work. Perhaps the list is useful for you.
> > http://home.arcor.de/richardon/2011/an1x_waves.txt
> > (My sounds file contains some templates for feedback and edge parameters)
> > Next step I created some tuned FM sprectrals to emulate D50 Sounds.Spectrals are also
> > useful for Voices, Flute Breath, Melotron, Arco Strings and so on. The PEG can be
> > used as second polyphonic AEG or FEG in such spectral sounds.Thats good, because
> > LFO and EG are not polyphonic. Controling PWM via PEG you have for all waves a simple
> > second polyphonic AEG.
> > Of course for Organs its better to use the Free EG for typical B3 Legato Pecussion.
> > I used another PW Trick in my Organ Sounds to get 888 up to Full Drawbars plus Legato
> > B3 Percussion and Keyclick in one Scene. Template was my old and new CX3.
> >
> > Now her are my sounds :
> > http://home.arcor.de/richardon/2011/richy_5_11.an1
> >
> > I tried to opimize my sounds for stage, therefore they are more traditionell.
> > For example I like to play the Vibraphone Sound during Dinner Music Gigs.
> > An1x can do this as good as a rompler machine. A simple sound, but it was a lot
> > of work to create it exactly like the template. With some classical Drum machines,
> > left hand base you can even play Jazz Standards on AN1x :-)
> >
> > Hope you like it. Dont wonder about some delay settings e.g. in mellotron or
> > vocal sounds. The Delay FX can also be used as an "Comb Filter"
> > Very good to emphasis Formants or simulate Phase Errors of older Instruments.
> >
> > With best regards
> > Thomas Richardon
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>





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Hi
My name is richy an i live in Karlsruhe /Germany. I am new in AN1x Group.
Thank you for the lot of sounds that can be found here. Wow great stuff !
I own the An1X since 1996. A great flexible synthesizer. But in the beginning
i had some problems to understand and programm it in all details.
E.g. I didnt knew, that the AN1X only produces thin Pulswaveforms,if FEEDBACK ist
set to zero. So i didn't use it for a while on stage.
To get the parameters FEEDBACK and EDGE under controle i started to emulate waveforms
of other synthesizers on AN1X. Using an Oszilloscope, Spectral Analyzer and my ears.
BTW: AN1x never produces straight Wavepictures like SAW or REC. Because overtones
are out of phase. So you have to use a Spectral Analyzer or your ears.

Some results of this work. Perhaps the list is useful for you.
http://home.arcor.de/richardon/2011/an1x_waves.txt
(My sounds file contains some templates for feedback and edge parameters)
Next step I created some tuned FM sprectrals to emulate D50 Sounds.Spectrals are also
useful for Voices, Flute Breath, Melotron, Arco Strings and so on. The PEG can be
used as second polyphonic AEG or FEG in such spectral sounds.Thats good, because
LFO and EG are not polyphonic. Controling PWM via PEG you have for all waves a simple
second polyphonic AEG.
Of course for Organs its better to use the Free EG for typical B3 Legato Pecussion.
I used another PW Trick in my Organ Sounds to get 888 up to Full Drawbars plus Legato
B3 Percussion and Keyclick in one Scene. Template was my old and new CX3.

Now her are my sounds :
http://home.arcor.de/richardon/2011/richy_5_11.an1

I tried to opimize my sounds for stage, therefore they are more traditionell.
For example I like to play the Vibraphone Sound during Dinner Music Gigs.
An1x can do this as good as a rompler machine. A simple sound, but it was a lot
of work to create it exactly like the template. With some classical Drum machines,
left hand base you can even play Jazz Standards on AN1x :-)

Hope you like it. Dont wonder about some delay settings e.g. in mellotron or
vocal sounds. The Delay FX can also be used as an "Comb Filter"
Very good to emphasis Formants or simulate Phase Errors of older Instruments.

With best regards
Thomas Richardon



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Welcome !
very impressive theoretical work : grab an oscilloscope to look at the
waveforms ... You have a job in electronics engineering ?
Nice sounds too, sometimes emulations of "traditional" instruments can
be very useful.
Cheers.
J.F.


richardon a écrit :

> Hi
> My name is richy an i live in Karlsruhe /Germany. I am new in AN1x Group.
> Thank you for the lot of sounds that can be found here. Wow great stuff !
> I own the An1X since 1996. A great flexible synthesizer. But in the beginning
> i had some problems to understand and programm it in all details.
> E.g. I didnt knew, that the AN1X only produces thin Pulswaveforms,if FEEDBACK ist
> set to zero. So i didn't use it for a while on stage.
> To get the parameters FEEDBACK and EDGE under controle i started to emulate waveforms
> of other synthesizers on AN1X. Using an Oszilloscope, Spectral Analyzer and my ears.
> BTW: AN1x never produces straight Wavepictures like SAW or REC. Because overtones
> are out of phase. So you have to use a Spectral Analyzer or your ears.
>
> Some results of this work. Perhaps the list is useful for you.
> http://home.arcor.de/richardon/2011/an1x_waves.txt
> (My sounds file contains some templates for feedback and edge parameters)
> Next step I created some tuned FM sprectrals to emulate D50 Sounds.Spectrals are also
> useful for Voices, Flute Breath, Melotron, Arco Strings and so on. The PEG can be
> used as second polyphonic AEG or FEG in such spectral sounds.Thats good, because
> LFO and EG are not polyphonic. Controling PWM via PEG you have for all waves a simple
> second polyphonic AEG.
> Of course for Organs its better to use the Free EG for typical B3 Legato Pecussion.
> I used another PW Trick in my Organ Sounds to get 888 up to Full Drawbars plus Legato
> B3 Percussion and Keyclick in one Scene. Template was my old and new CX3.
>
> Now her are my sounds :
> http://home.arcor.de/richardon/2011/richy_5_11.an1
>
> I tried to opimize my sounds for stage, therefore they are more traditionell.
> For example I like to play the Vibraphone Sound during Dinner Music Gigs.
> An1x can do this as good as a rompler machine. A simple sound, but it was a lot
> of work to create it exactly like the template. With some classical Drum machines,
> left hand base you can even play Jazz Standards on AN1x :-)
>
> Hope you like it. Dont wonder about some delay settings e.g. in mellotron or
> vocal sounds. The Delay FX can also be used as an "Comb Filter"
> Very good to emphasis Formants or simulate Phase Errors of older Instruments.
>
> With best regards
> Thomas Richardon
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

Hi Jeff

> You have a job in electronics engineering ?

Yes i studied electronics and sound engineering.

> grab an oscilloscope to look at the waveforms ...

You can use your soundcard for this and will be totally surprised what kind of Init Waveforms An1X is producing. Without feedback only peaks. Therefore the fundamental waves are damped.
Around feedback=30 you get the signal spectrum of the mathematic functions. But you won't see that, because the overtones are typical yamaha out of phase. But in www you get Spectral
analysers for free. Thin Waves with damped fundamentals or signal Generator functions produce a modern Sound, but sometimes you like it more musically like a minimoog. Look at minimoogs waveforms, There is a sine Wave added. The fundamentales emphased.
An1X is a great machine . He can even produce this with the feedback function.
With a spectral analyzer you will see it best.
It must be an accident, that presest sounds were programmed with feedback set to zero.
Of course this thin sounds are modern. But AN1X is a CS80 clone, vintage.

> sometimes emulations of "traditional" instruments can be very useful.

Yes, and if you programm e.g. the breath of a flute seperate you can controle it better than a
Rom player can do. Roland D50 had an little VA machine. So AN1x is able to produce D50
sounds. Only the spectral functions must be emulated via FM/Sync. Its also an interesting
execise to emulate other synthesizers. AN1X can do this with its feedback edge functions
very well.
Its Filter changes with feedback too and is very vocal. Together with FX/SYNC, Dely as Comb Filter and breath spectrals he can produce very authentic vocals. I hope so :-)
And he can spaek more words than "we all die". The AN1x fun examples show this. And of course he can even speak more words.
Of cause i like this crazy AN1X sounds too. Some examples in this group are really great.
EG this Atari emulations and of course JayB's great tecno Sounds. Aggressor and Accelerate
for example. Thats great work.

I have a question. If i upload my sounds to the yahoo An1x group. Can i change them in future ?
I want to keep them up to date.
Ciao, au revoir
richy

Sorry my bad english

Nice sounds

----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff
To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: [AN1x] richy



Welcome !
very impressive theoretical work : grab an oscilloscope to look at the
waveforms ... You have a job in electronics engineering ?
Nice sounds totraditional" instruments o, sometimes emulations of "can
be very useful.
Cheers.
J.F.

richardon a écrit :
> Hi
> My name is richy an i live in Karlsruhe /Germany. I am new in AN1x Group.
> Thank you for the lot of sounds that can be found here. Wow great stuff !
> I own the An1X since 1996. A great flexible synthesizer. But in the beginning
> i had some problems to understand and programm it in all details.
> E.g. I didnt knew, that the AN1X only produces thin Pulswaveforms,if FEEDBACK ist
> set to zero. So i didn't use it for a while on stage.
> To get the parameters FEEDBACK and EDGE under controle i started to emulate waveforms
> of other synthesizers on AN1X. Using an Oszilloscope, Spectral Analyzer and my ears.
> BTW: AN1x never produces straight Wavepictures like SAW or REC. Because overtones
> are out of phase. So you have to use a Spectral Analyzer or your ears.
>
> Some results of this work. Perhaps the list is useful for you.
> http://home.arcor.de/richardon/2011/an1x_waves.txt
> (My sounds file contains some templates for feedback and edge parameters)
> Next step I created some tuned FM sprectrals to emulate D50 Sounds.Spectrals are also
> useful for Voices, Flute Breath, Melotron, Arco Strings and so on. The PEG can be
> used as second polyphonic AEG or FEG in such spectral sounds.Thats good, because
> LFO and EG are not polyphonic. Controling PWM via PEG you have for all waves a simple
> second polyphonic AEG.
> Of course for Organs its better to use the Free EG for typical B3 Legato Pecussion.
> I used another PW Trick in my Organ Sounds to get 888 up to Full Drawbars plus Legato
> B3 Percussion and Keyclick in one Scene. Template was my old and new CX3.
>
> Now her are my sounds :
> http://home.arcor.de/richardon/2011/richy_5_11.an1
>
> I tried to opimize my sounds for stage, therefore they are more traditionell.
> For example I like to play the Vibraphone Sound during Dinner Music Gigs.
> An1x can do this as good as a rompler machine. A simple sound, but it was a lot
> of work to create it exactly like the template. With some classical Drum machines,
> left hand base you can even play Jazz Standards on AN1x :-)
>
> Hope you like it. Dont wonder about some delay settings e.g. in mellotron or
> vocal sounds. The Delay FX can also be used as an "Comb Filter"
> Very good to emphasis Formants or simulate Phase Errors of older Instruments.
>
> With best regards
> Thomas Richardon
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>





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So, I don't have an oscillator or an Internet connection (way out in the middle of nowhere in Maine). Set the feedback to 30 sounds good. How does one avoid the out of phase effect, and what is a good setting for edge to get a nice square wave and saw wave?

Has anyone figured out how to get the slight out of tune effect the old analog synths had? I've used free EG but I'm not sure how to set things so every time you play a note you get that nice beating sound.

I have figured that you can set the pitch bend wheel to make a chord.

Much thanks

Jimmy

set the pitches slight out of tune to 1 another set 1 osc to 0 1 osc to -3 cents and 1 osc to +3 cents set pitch modulation to lfo at a very low setting so you have slight movement sync osc is best on the anx1 for this

set the pitch low otherwise you will get extreme sync instead

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From: spaceanimals
To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 1:37 PM
Subject: [AN1x] richy



So, I don't have an oscillator or an Internet connection (way out in the middle of nowhere in Maine). Set the feedback to 30 sounds good. How does one avoid the out of phase effect, and what is a good setting for edge to get a nice square wave and saw wave?

Has anyone figured out how to get the slight out of tune effect the old analog synths had? I've used free EG but I'm not sure how to set things so every time you play a note you get that nice beating sound.

I have figured that you can set the pitch bend wheel to make a chord.

Much thanks

Jimmy






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Hi

> Set the feedback to 30 sounds good.

Yes, thats an good neutral choice and will produce the straight mathematical functions. Its interesting, that you prefer this natural setting. To get a little bit more vintage waves you can increase the value up to 50. But this will cut a little bit the higher frequencies. Its like boosting the lowest sine wave. Picture of Minimoog Wave (Thats Feedback around 45):
http://home.arcor.de/richardon/2010/minimoog.gif
Feedback will also change all functions of the filter. You can study this using the tuned self Oscillating program Nr 71 LP HP sine. It took me hours to tune the filter like this, because filter key follow changes with feedback.

> How does one avoid the out of phase effect,

There is no possibility to do this, but it dont matter, because you dont hear this phase "errors". Its only important to know, because you will see them on the oscilloscope. What ist this "phase error" ?
A wave function can be build up as a sum of sine Waves f(t)=Sum(k, ai*sin(k*w*t+Phase) ) To get a square or saw wave picture you will set Phase=0. If you change Phase for every sine wave you will get totally different pictures, but they are all sounding like a square wave. Pictures of An1X Waves :
http://home.arcor.de/richardon/2010/signale.gif
It would be wrong to eleminate this Peaks e.g. with Feedback, because they are needed for the high overtones.
This picture and mp3 will show that :
http://home.arcor.de/richardon/2010/anro.gif
The edge ist too round but the peak will compensate this. The peak is at the wrong place (phase)
In spite of that both sawtooth sound nearly identical. You cant herar phase :
http://home.arcor.de/richardon/2010/anro.mp3

> and what is a good setting for edge to get a nice square wave and saw wave?

Sorry i made an error in my description. Rec = "Rechteck", Square. I corrected this.
For Saw Edge=112-115 is a good Value. If you decrease ist, its like filtering. But if you increse ist up to 127 the
Peak will be to big. The wave "breaks down"
For swqure its different. You can chose up to 127

I know its only theory, but sometimes its better to measure, to be sure of what doing.
Greatings
richy

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From: spaceanimals
To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 2:37 PM
Subject: [AN1x] richy



So, I don't have an oscillator or an Internet connection (way out in the middle of nowhere in Maine). Set the feedback to 30 sounds good. How does one avoid the out of phase effect, and what is a good setting for edge to get a nice square wave and saw wave?

Has anyone figured out how to get the slight out of tune effect the old analog synths had? I've used free EG but I'm not sure how to set things so every time you play a note you get that nice beating sound.

I have figured that you can set the pitch bend wheel to make a chord.

Much thanks

Jimmy





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You can easy detune one whole scene randomly if you chose KEYRANDOM / SCENETUNE in the Matrix. Pitch is not possible, to detune only one OSC. Except you are tricking with PEG.
But jammies method would be simpler for this aim.

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Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AN1x] richy



set the pitches slight out of tune to 1 another set 1 osc to 0 1 osc to -3 cents and 1 osc to +3 cents set pitch modulation to lfo at a very low setting so you have slight movement sync osc is best on the anx1 for this

set the pitch low otherwise you will get extreme sync instead
----- Original Message -----
From: spaceanimals
To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 1:37 PM
Subject: [AN1x] richy

So, I don't have an oscillator or an Internet connection (way out in the middle of nowhere in Maine). Set the feedback to 30 sounds good. How does one avoid the out of phase effect, and what is a good setting for edge to get a nice square wave and saw wave?

Has anyone figured out how to get the slight out of tune effect the old analog synths had? I've used free EG but I'm not sure how to set things so every time you play a note you get that nice beating sound.

I have figured that you can set the pitch bend wheel to make a chord.

Much thanks

Jimmy

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Hmm just tested it :
Matrix : Key Random PEG Depth : 1
Scene :
PEG Attack(Decay) -1 Depth: -1
Choose one VCO to be detuned. You have to tune it down -1 to compensate PEG.
Now it will be detuned randomly a little bit constant against the other VCO with every Key hit.
Funny. But i dont know if thats good for anything

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Hello !
i've tried your patches, some are amazing !
the nr 2 mellotron sounds very close to the motion picture "The song
remains the same" soundtrack
with the 22 you can play a reasonable imitation of the final part of
Yes' "Gates of Delirium". Not the same, because the solo synth is dubbed
by Steve Howe playing a pedal steel guitar , but i think Rick Wakeman
would be happy with "Diamonds" if his fellow was on strike...
Some prog-rock stuff, thanks !
Cheerzs.
J.F.

richardon a écrit :

> Hi Jeff
>
>> You have a job in electronics engineering ?
>>
> Yes i studied electronics and sound engineering.
>
>
>> grab an oscilloscope to look at the waveforms ...
>>
> You can use your soundcard for this and will be totally surprised what kind of Init Waveforms An1X is producing. Without feedback only peaks. Therefore the fundamental waves are damped.
> Around feedback=30 you get the signal spectrum of the mathematic functions. But you won't see that, because the overtones are typical yamaha out of phase. But in www you get Spectral
> analysers for free. Thin Waves with damped fundamentals or signal Generator functions produce a modern Sound, but sometimes you like it more musically like a minimoog. Look at minimoogs waveforms, There is a sine Wave added. The fundamentales emphased.
> An1X is a great machine . He can even produce this with the feedback function.
> With a spectral analyzer you will see it best.
> It must be an accident, that presest sounds were programmed with feedback set to zero.
> Of course this thin sounds are modern. But AN1X is a CS80 clone, vintage.
>
>
>> sometimes emulations of "traditional" instruments can be very useful.
>>
> Yes, and if you programm e.g. the breath of a flute seperate you can controle it better than a
> Rom player can do. Roland D50 had an little VA machine. So AN1x is able to produce D50
> sounds. Only the spectral functions must be emulated via FM/Sync. Its also an interesting
> execise to emulate other synthesizers. AN1X can do this with its feedback edge functions
> very well.
> Its Filter changes with feedback too and is very vocal. Together with FX/SYNC, Dely as Comb Filter and breath spectrals he can produce very authentic vocals. I hope so :-)
> And he can spaek more words than "we all die". The AN1x fun examples show this. And of course he can even speak more words.
> Of cause i like this crazy AN1X sounds too. Some examples in this group are really great.
> EG this Atari emulations and of course JayB's great tecno Sounds. Aggressor and Accelerate
> for example. Thats great work.
>
> I have a question. If i upload my sounds to the yahoo An1x group. Can i change them in future ?
> I want to keep them up to date.
> Ciao, au revoir
> richy
>
> Sorry my bad english
>
> Nice sounds
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jeff
> To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 10:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [AN1x] richy
>
>
>
> Welcome !
> very impressive theoretical work : grab an oscilloscope to look at the
> waveforms ... You have a job in electronics engineering ?
> Nice sounds totraditional" instruments o, sometimes emulations of "can
> be very useful.
> Cheers.
> J.F.
>
> richardon a écrit :
> > Hi
> > My name is richy an i live in Karlsruhe /Germany. I am new in AN1x Group.
> > Thank you for the lot of sounds that can be found here. Wow great stuff !
> > I own the An1X since 1996. A great flexible synthesizer. But in the beginning
> > i had some problems to understand and programm it in all details.
> > E.g. I didnt knew, that the AN1X only produces thin Pulswaveforms,if FEEDBACK ist
> > set to zero. So i didn't use it for a while on stage.
> > To get the parameters FEEDBACK and EDGE under controle i started to emulate waveforms
> > of other synthesizers on AN1X. Using an Oszilloscope, Spectral Analyzer and my ears.
> > BTW: AN1x never produces straight Wavepictures like SAW or REC. Because overtones
> > are out of phase. So you have to use a Spectral Analyzer or your ears.
> >
> > Some results of this work. Perhaps the list is useful for you.
> > http://home.arcor.de/richardon/2011/an1x_waves.txt
> > (My sounds file contains some templates for feedback and edge parameters)
> > Next step I created some tuned FM sprectrals to emulate D50 Sounds.Spectrals are also
> > useful for Voices, Flute Breath, Melotron, Arco Strings and so on. The PEG can be
> > used as second polyphonic AEG or FEG in such spectral sounds.Thats good, because
> > LFO and EG are not polyphonic. Controling PWM via PEG you have for all waves a simple
> > second polyphonic AEG.
> > Of course for Organs its better to use the Free EG for typical B3 Legato Pecussion.
> > I used another PW Trick in my Organ Sounds to get 888 up to Full Drawbars plus Legato
> > B3 Percussion and Keyclick in one Scene. Template was my old and new CX3.
> >
> > Now her are my sounds :
> > http://home.arcor.de/richardon/2011/richy_5_11.an1
> >
> > I tried to opimize my sounds for stage, therefore they are more traditionell.
> > For example I like to play the Vibraphone Sound during Dinner Music Gigs.
> > An1x can do this as good as a rompler machine. A simple sound, but it was a lot
> > of work to create it exactly like the template. With some classical Drum machines,
> > left hand base you can even play Jazz Standards on AN1x :-)
> >
> > Hope you like it. Dont wonder about some delay settings e.g. in mellotron or
> > vocal sounds. The Delay FX can also be used as an "Comb Filter"
> > Very good to emphasis Formants or simulate Phase Errors of older Instruments.
> >
> > With best regards
> > Thomas Richardon
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
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richardon a écrit :

> Hi Jeff
> Ah, you like more special, dirty sounds like the mellotron.

In fact i like progressive rock (Yes, Genesis and others...) jazz rock
(Mahavishnu Orchestra, Return to Forever..) or early electronic music
(Tangerine Dream ...) from the 70's . And a lot of other stuff , ethnic,
world music, blues, classical ... nearly everything ! There is two kinds
of music : good and bad, whatever the style...

> Do you know the Yamaha CS80 ?

Yes. Not directly, because it's a rare bird... One of the more
expensive, bulky and heavy synths ever made, if we except the modular
monsters from Moog or AKS.

> Here you can download a demo Version :
> http://www.arturia.com/evolution/en/products/cs-80v/intro.html
> Pictures of AN1X Waves do not look like Monomoog but like CS80. Its an CS clone. But escpecially the 24 dB Filter is different from CS80. CS80 Filter is producing two Formants combs if resonance is set to maximum. The reason it can sound so vocal.
>

Nothing surprising : both were manufactured by Yamaha. I was told that
Yamaha tried to build a V.A. Prophet V: it was the AN1x. Of course it is
probably some urban legend, and the 2 oscillator + multimode filter is
very common, i think it is the most common architecture for mono or poly
synths from the beginning.

> But if you chose An1X Feedback to 85 or 92 and Hi-pass about 50-70 AN1X 24 dB filter will change dramatically an will produce a similar charakter. But be careful with that and reduce Amplitude if you try it.
>

I agree with you, the AN1x is a very under rated machine. Maybe because
of its cheap look and because it is less "user friendly" than a lot of VAs.

> Greetings

I will try !
Cheers.
J.F.

>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jeff
> To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 11:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [AN1x] richy
>
>
>
> Hello !
> i've tried your patches, some are amazing !
> the nr 2 mellotron sounds very close to the motion picture "The song
> remains the same" soundtrack
> with the 22 you can play a reasonable imitation of the final part of
> Yes' "Gates of Delirium". Not the same, because the solo synth is dubbed
> by Steve Howe playing a pedal steel guitar , but i think Rick Wakeman
> would be happy with "Diamonds" if his fellow was on strike...
> Some prog-rock stuff, thanks !
> Cheerzs.
> J.F.
>
> richardon a écrit :
> > Hi Jeff
> >
> >> You have a job in electronics engineering ?
> >>
> > Yes i studied electronics and sound engineering.
> >
> >
> >> grab an oscilloscope to look at the waveforms ...
> >>
> > You can use your soundcard for this and will be totally surprised what kind of Init Waveforms An1X is producing. Without feedback only peaks. Therefore the fundamental waves are damped.
> > Around feedback=30 you get the signal spectrum of the mathematic functions. But you won't see that, because the overtones are typical yamaha out of phase. But in www you get Spectral
> > analysers for free. Thin Waves with damped fundamentals or signal Generator functions produce a modern Sound, but sometimes you like it more musically like a minimoog. Look at minimoogs waveforms, There is a sine Wave added. The fundamentales emphased.
> > An1X is a great machine . He can even produce this with the feedback function.
> > With a spectral analyzer you will see it best.
> > It must be an accident, that presest sounds were programmed with feedback set to zero.
> > Of course this thin sounds are modern. But AN1X is a CS80 clone, vintage.
> >
> >
> >> sometimes emulations of "traditional" instruments can be very useful.
> >>
> > Yes, and if you programm e.g. the breath of a flute seperate you can controle it better than a
> > Rom player can do. Roland D50 had an little VA machine. So AN1x is able to produce D50
> > sounds. Only the spectral functions must be emulated via FM/Sync. Its also an interesting
> > execise to emulate other synthesizers. AN1X can do this with its feedback edge functions
> > very well.
> > Its Filter changes with feedback too and is very vocal. Together with FX/SYNC, Dely as Comb Filter and breath spectrals he can produce very authentic vocals. I hope so :-)
> > And he can spaek more words than "we all die". The AN1x fun examples show this. And of course he can even speak more words.
> > Of cause i like this crazy AN1X sounds too. Some examples in this group are really great.
> > EG this Atari emulations and of course JayB's great tecno Sounds. Aggressor and Accelerate
> > for example. Thats great work.
> >
> > I have a question. If i upload my sounds to the yahoo An1x group. Can i change them in future ?
> > I want to keep them up to date.
> > Ciao, au revoir
> > richy
> >
> > Sorry my bad english
> >
> > Nice sounds
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Jeff
> > To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 10:30 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AN1x] richy
> >
> >
> >
> > Welcome !
> > very impressive theoretical work : grab an oscilloscope to look at the
> > waveforms ... You have a job in electronics engineering ?
> > Nice sounds totraditional" instruments o, sometimes emulations of "can
> > be very useful.
> > Cheers.
> > J.F.
> >
> > richardon a écrit :
> > > Hi
> > > My name is richy an i live in Karlsruhe /Germany. I am new in AN1x Group.
> > > Thank you for the lot of sounds that can be found here. Wow great stuff !
> > > I own the An1X since 1996. A great flexible synthesizer. But in the beginning
> > > i had some problems to understand and programm it in all details.
> > > E.g. I didnt knew, that the AN1X only produces thin Pulswaveforms,if FEEDBACK ist
> > > set to zero. So i didn't use it for a while on stage.
> > > To get the parameters FEEDBACK and EDGE under controle i started to emulate waveforms
> > > of other synthesizers on AN1X. Using an Oszilloscope, Spectral Analyzer and my ears.
> > > BTW: AN1x never produces straight Wavepictures like SAW or REC. Because overtones
> > > are out of phase. So you have to use a Spectral Analyzer or your ears.
> > >
> > > Some results of this work. Perhaps the list is useful for you.
> > > http://home.arcor.de/richardon/2011/an1x_waves.txt
> > > (My sounds file contains some templates for feedback and edge parameters)
> > > Next step I created some tuned FM sprectrals to emulate D50 Sounds.Spectrals are also
> > > useful for Voices, Flute Breath, Melotron, Arco Strings and so on. The PEG can be
> > > used as second polyphonic AEG or FEG in such spectral sounds.Thats good, because
> > > LFO and EG are not polyphonic. Controling PWM via PEG you have for all waves a simple
> > > second polyphonic AEG.
> > > Of course for Organs its better to use the Free EG for typical B3 Legato Pecussion.
> > > I used another PW Trick in my Organ Sounds to get 888 up to Full Drawbars plus Legato
> > > B3 Percussion and Keyclick in one Scene. Template was my old and new CX3.
> > >
> > > Now her are my sounds :
> > > http://home.arcor.de/richardon/2011/richy_5_11.an1
> > >
> > > I tried to opimize my sounds for stage, therefore they are more traditionell.
> > > For example I like to play the Vibraphone Sound during Dinner Music Gigs.
> > > An1x can do this as good as a rompler machine. A simple sound, but it was a lot
> > > of work to create it exactly like the template. With some classical Drum machines,
> > > left hand base you can even play Jazz Standards on AN1x :-)
> > >
> > > Hope you like it. Dont wonder about some delay settings e.g. in mellotron or
> > > vocal sounds. The Delay FX can also be used as an "Comb Filter"
> > > Very good to emphasis Formants or simulate Phase Errors of older Instruments.
> > >
> > > With best regards
> > > Thomas Richardon
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Hi Jeff

I am playing since 1980 in an Prog Rock Band. And of course the whole band like this kind of music and bands. I like also black music, Soul, Funk like Earth wind and fire, mothers finest, chic ... opera or rock opera like nightwish ... modern interessting tecno productions ...
I earn my money with italian spanisch a little bit french, english and even german dance music (german ...ei ei ei :-)
I wonder why germans reached such a low level. Especially the lyrics of german "Unterhaltungsmusik"
But there are exceptions. "No way back from Wolfsheim" e.g. ist a good song with great lyrics.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icUC32-0WuY
Very mathematical like "Lola rennt" but sensitiv too. ( I like mathematics.)

Can't be better written as you did :

> There is two kinds of music : good and bad, whatever the style...


> I was told that Yamaha tried to build a V.A. Prophet

Could be interessting. Prophet V is really another great polyphonic machine. Perhaps one of the best like Oberheim Matrix 12.
(Of course just my personal opinion).
GX1, CS60/80 sounds strange, crazy, vocal, because of Ring Modulation and Sub Oszillators a little bit like a Trautonium.
Prophet V is made for live performance, no experimental music. Sounds extreme analog, fat, expensive, noble. classic.
A little bit the direction i tried to tune the crazy :-) AN1x.

But you could be right :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sequential_Circuits_Prophet-5
Oh no ! Now i have to test this Arturia Prophet V too :-) But my acoustic fealing says: AN1x ist closer to CS60/80.
The Preset CS80 Horn sounds really like a CS Horn. That cant do any other VA so close . And there are Trautonium Sounds even in the presets. But with feedback and edge parameters An1x can emulate a lot of machines. Different Oscillators and Filters.
It's just an great VA. I like it even more than some anaolg machines i owned.

> it is less "user friendly" than a lot of VAs.

Yes, thats really true. And the user manual is terrible. AN1X is an example for totally discoordination between engineers and
marketing, even programmers. Presets showing 10% of the potential of this machine.
Programming seems to be horrible. But if you'll take a closer look. There is a system ! Even a beginner can program this machine. Only using the fundametal functions and not the Controler Matrix.. And in the beginning not trying to understand the FM and Sync Functions. Edge Function is self explaining and An1X could be an easy Synth even for beginners.
But there will still remain the most complicated parameter of this Synth. This feedback, that really changes all dramatically.
That's the reason i created this little list concerning the waveforms.
http://home.arcor.de/richardon/2011/an1x_waves.txt
Its easy . Use feedback between 30 and 45 to get an classical synthesizer. Yes any musican coose this without measuring :-)
Perhaps there exist some feedbackvalues around 80 to get even a more classical synthesizer. Find them using an Spectral Analyzer and make all An1X Users even more happy :-)
No. As a beginner dont try this.
Try it like this :

1) Use the fundemantal easy Sound engine of AN1X with classical feedback 30-45
2) Try to understand the AN1X FM/Sync Structures. FM and Sync cant be explained in words. So do your own experiments.
Perhaps you will create sounds never heard before. Explore parts of the FM and An1X FM/Sync world. No one is able to explore all parts of this world.
3) Now try to understand the An1X Matrix. Its horrible without An1x Editor. But its easy with Editor. Dont regard this Matrix only as a way to assign Controler Functions. Its much much more. Its the way to extend the beginners Sound machine.
Espacially the Parameter KEY TRACK will open you a new AN1X world.
Keyrandom is different from a LFO SH Function. Use it with Scene Detune to create analog detune fealings or whatever you can imagine.
4) Use Free EG as a vocoder . As an ARP Emulation. Use your fantasie.
5) SEQ. Look at great SEQ sound examples in this group. Some are amazing. How did this guy this Commodore C64 plus Bass Emulation. Learn not only by doing but also by copying :-)

I like this little blue machine very very much.
Greetings
richy

PS :
Thats an Trautonium :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trautonium

----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff
To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 8:42 PM
Subject: Re: [AN1x] richy



richardon a écrit :
> Hi Jeff
> Ah, you like more special, dirty sounds like the mellotron.
In fact i like progressive rock (Yes, Genesis and others...) jazz rock
(Mahavishnu Orchestra, Return to Forever..) or early electronic music
(Tangerine Dream ...) from the 70's . And a lot of other stuff , ethnic,
world music, blues, classical ... nearly everything ! There is two kinds
of music : good and bad, whatever the style...
> Do you know the Yamaha CS80 ?
Yes. Not directly, because it's a rare bird... One of the more
expensive, bulky and heavy synths ever made, if we except the modular
monsters from Moog or AKS.
> Here you can download a demo Version :
> http://www.arturia.com/evolution/en/products/cs-80v/intro.html
> Pictures of AN1X Waves do not look like Monomoog but like CS80. Its an CS clone. But escpecially the 24 dB Filter is different from CS80. CS80 Filter is producing two Formants combs if resonance is set to maximum. The reason it can sound so vocal.
>
Nothing surprising : both were manufactured by Yamaha. I was told that
Yamaha tried to build a V.A. Prophet V: it was the AN1x. Of course it is
probably some urban legend, and the 2 oscillator + multimode filter is
very common, i think it is the most common architecture for mono or poly
synths from the beginning.
> But if you chose An1X Feedback to 85 or 92 and Hi-pass about 50-70 AN1X 24 dB filter will change dramatically an will produce a similar charakter. But be careful with that and reduce Amplitude if you try it.
>
I agree with you, the AN1x is a very under rated machine. Maybe because
of its cheap look and because it is less "user friendly" than a lot of VAs.
> Greetings
I will try !
Cheers.
J.F.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jeff
> To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 11:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [AN1x] richy
>
>
>
> Hello !
> i've tried your patches, some are amazing !
> the nr 2 mellotron sounds very close to the motion picture "The song
> remains the same" soundtrack
> with the 22 you can play a reasonable imitation of the final part of
> Yes' "Gates of Delirium". Not the same, because the solo synth is dubbed
> by Steve Howe playing a pedal steel guitar , but i think Rick Wakeman
> would be happy with "Diamonds" if his fellow was on strike...
> Some prog-rock stuff, thanks !
> Cheerzs.
> J.F.
>
> richardon a écrit :
> > Hi Jeff
> >
> >> You have a job in electronics engineering ?
> >>
> > Yes i studied electronics and sound engineering.
> >
> >
> >> grab an oscilloscope to look at the waveforms ...
> >>
> > You can use your soundcard for this and will be totally surprised what kind of Init Waveforms An1X is producing. Without feedback only peaks. Therefore the fundamental waves are damped.
> > Around feedback=30 you get the signal spectrum of the mathematic functions. But you won't see that, because the overtones are typical yamaha out of phase. But in www you get Spectral
> > analysers for free. Thin Waves with damped fundamentals or signal Generator functions produce a modern Sound, but sometimes you like it more musically like a minimoog. Look at minimoogs waveforms, There is a sine Wave added. The fundamentales emphased.
> > An1X is a great machine . He can even produce this with the feedback function.
> > With a spectral analyzer you will see it best.
> > It must be an accident, that presest sounds were programmed with feedback set to zero.
> > Of course this thin sounds are modern. But AN1X is a CS80 clone, vintage.
> >
> >
> >> sometimes emulations of "traditional" instruments can be very useful.
> >>
> > Yes, and if you programm e.g. the breath of a flute seperate you can controle it better than a
> > Rom player can do. Roland D50 had an little VA machine. So AN1x is able to produce D50
> > sounds. Only the spectral functions must be emulated via FM/Sync. Its also an interesting
> > execise to emulate other synthesizers. AN1X can do this with its feedback edge functions
> > very well.
> > Its Filter changes with feedback too and is very vocal. Together with FX/SYNC, Dely as Comb Filter and breath spectrals he can produce very authentic vocals. I hope so :-)
> > And he can spaek more words than "we all die". The AN1x fun examples show this. And of course he can even speak more words.
> > Of cause i like this crazy AN1X sounds too. Some examples in this group are really great.
> > EG this Atari emulations and of course JayB's great tecno Sounds. Aggressor and Accelerate
> > for example. Thats great work.
> >
> > I have a question. If i upload my sounds to the yahoo An1x group. Can i change them in future ?
> > I want to keep them up to date.
> > Ciao, au revoir
> > richy
> >
> > Sorry my bad english
> >
> > Nice sounds
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Jeff
> > To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 10:30 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AN1x] richy
> >
> >
> >
> > Welcome !
> > very impressive theoretical work : grab an oscilloscope to look at the
> > waveforms ... You have a job in electronics engineering ?
> > Nice sounds totraditional" instruments o, sometimes emulations of "can
> > be very useful.
> > Cheers.
> > J.F.
> >
> > richardon a écrit :
> > > Hi
> > > My name is richy an i live in Karlsruhe /Germany. I am new in AN1x Group.
> > > Thank you for the lot of sounds that can be found here. Wow great stuff !
> > > I own the An1X since 1996. A great flexible synthesizer. But in the beginning
> > > i had some problems to understand and programm it in all details.
> > > E.g. I didnt knew, that the AN1X only produces thin Pulswaveforms,if FEEDBACK ist
> > > set to zero. So i didn't use it for a while on stage.
> > > To get the parameters FEEDBACK and EDGE under controle i started to emulate waveforms
> > > of other synthesizers on AN1X. Using an Oszilloscope, Spectral Analyzer and my ears.
> > > BTW: AN1x never produces straight Wavepictures like SAW or REC. Because overtones
> > > are out of phase. So you have to use a Spectral Analyzer or your ears.
> > >
> > > Some results of this work. Perhaps the list is useful for you.
> > > http://home.arcor.de/richardon/2011/an1x_waves.txt
> > > (My sounds file contains some templates for feedback and edge parameters)
> > > Next step I created some tuned FM sprectrals to emulate D50 Sounds.Spectrals are also
> > > useful for Voices, Flute Breath, Melotron, Arco Strings and so on. The PEG can be
> > > used as second polyphonic AEG or FEG in such spectral sounds.Thats good, because
> > > LFO and EG are not polyphonic. Controling PWM via PEG you have for all waves a simple
> > > second polyphonic AEG.
> > > Of course for Organs its better to use the Free EG for typical B3 Legato Pecussion.
> > > I used another PW Trick in my Organ Sounds to get 888 up to Full Drawbars plus Legato
> > > B3 Percussion and Keyclick in one Scene. Template was my old and new CX3.
> > >
> > > Now her are my sounds :
> > > http://home.arcor.de/richardon/2011/richy_5_11.an1
> > >
> > > I tried to opimize my sounds for stage, therefore they are more traditionell.
> > > For example I like to play the Vibraphone Sound during Dinner Music Gigs.
> > > An1x can do this as good as a rompler machine. A simple sound, but it was a lot
> > > of work to create it exactly like the template. With some classical Drum machines,
> > > left hand base you can even play Jazz Standards on AN1x :-)
> > >
> > > Hope you like it. Dont wonder about some delay settings e.g. in mellotron or
> > > vocal sounds. The Delay FX can also be used as an "Comb Filter"
> > > Very good to emphasis Formants or simulate Phase Errors of older Instruments.
> > >
> > > With best regards
> > > Thomas Richardon
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
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richardon a écrit :

> Hi Jeff
>
> I am playing since 1980 in an Prog Rock Band. And of course the whole band like this kind of music and bands. I like also black music, Soul, Funk like Earth wind and fire, mothers finest, chic ... opera or rock opera like nightwish ... modern interessting tecno productions ...
> I earn my money with italian spanisch a little bit french, english and even german dance music (german ...ei ei ei :-)
> I wonder why germans reached such a low level.

I like some german groups like Tangerine Dream, Kraftwerk and others ...
but OK, they were famous in the 70s - 80s . A guy on this forum played a
bit like them on his AN1x, Eppie Hulshof (i suppose he's german too).
You can go on Youtube and search for a russian guy named Nick Klimenko,
he's good too in this style, again with an AN1x, but he's not a member
of our group, as far as i know....

> Especially the lyrics of german "Unterhaltungsmusik"
> But there are exceptions. "No way back from Wolfsheim" e.g. ist a good song with great lyrics.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icUC32-0WuY
> Very mathematical like "Lola rennt" but sensitiv too. ( I like mathematics.)
>
> Can't be better written as you did :
>
>> There is two kinds of music : good and bad, whatever the style...
>>
> Thanks !
>
>> I was told that Yamaha tried to build a V.A. Prophet
>>
> Could be interessting. Prophet V is really another great polyphonic machine. Perhaps one of the best like Oberheim Matrix 12.

Both are very sought after by collectors and expensive... And not very
reliable, a friend of mine had a Prophet and a lot of issues with it.

>
> (Of course just my personal opinion).
> GX1, CS60/80 sounds strange, crazy, vocal, because of Ring Modulation and Sub Oszillators a little bit like a Trautonium.
> Prophet V is made for live performance, no experimental music. Sounds extreme analog, fat, expensive, noble. classic.
> A little bit the direction i tried to tune the crazy :-) AN1x.
>
> But you could be right :
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sequential_Circuits_Prophet-5
> Oh no ! Now i have to test this Arturia Prophet V too :-) But my acoustic fealing says: AN1x ist closer to CS60/80.
> The Preset CS80 Horn sounds really like a CS Horn.
>

Of course... both were made by the same company.

>
>> it is less "user friendly" than a lot of VAs.
>>
> Yes, thats really true. And the user manual is terrible. AN1X is an example for totally discoordination between engineers and
> marketing, even programmers.

They wanted to keep the price low, so they had to stack a lot of
functions in a case borrowed from the previous entry level CS1x. Which
was not really a V.A. synth but a "rompler" with some real time controls.
This one is very "staightforward" to program (i own one) :

http://www.vintagesynth.com/misc/elevata.php

It sounds completely different from the AN1x, raw and edgy, sometimes
agressive like ...soviet synths. Mixed together it can be interesting.

> Presets showing 10% of the potential of this machine.
>

As on most electronic instruments...
Cheers.
J.F.

Please excuse the OT, but I saw this and I can't resist a little bragging, as follows.
I own the Oberheim Four Voice that Mother's Finest unloaded in the '80s, complete with large MF logos on the anvil case (I live in Atlanta)! IMO, it has the best modulation levers ever put on a synthesizer.

- synergeezer

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "richardon" <richardon@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Jeff
>
> I am playing since 1980 in an Prog Rock Band. And of course the whole band like this kind of music and bands. I like also black music, Soul, Funk like Earth wind and fire, mothers finest, <snip>

Hello all on An1x-list,

as I read on Richy's homepage last year the unfortunate news that he passed away (and now his homepage is down), I want to upload this file I found on my computer, an1x_waves.txt he is talking about in this post of his. The file is now in the Files section of this group.

I think he made great great contributions to an1x users with his knowledge, so I hope others will upload also if you have files he shared on his website still on your computer. I think most if not all of his patches are in the Heidelberg set he shared in the files in this group also.

-htk

Yes, since you bumped it up, I read the whole thread, and it is indeed very interesting. It touches on some issues I've noticed - and need to explore more - regarding the basic waveforms in the AN1x, particularly their non-standard shapes.

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "karud99" <karud99@...> wrote:
>I want to upload this file I found on my computer, an1x_waves.txt he is talking about in this post of his. The file is now in the Files section of this group.

Whilst I don't know the original synths and thus can't judge how well these settings simulate them, I'm sure other users will appreciate this file.

Like you said, any other files that could be re-uploaded would be nice.


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Some of the non-standard aspects of the waveforms might be due to the fixed analogue LPF on the outputs, which this post seems to suggest has quite a low cutoff:

> 6-12 kHz, a region where many synths already fade out in the power (this includes VA synths, such as AN1x that on 12 kHz is already at -20 dB no matter you applied filter or not).
- Don Solaris at http://www.harmonycentral.com/t5/Keys-Synths-amp-Samplers/AN1x-filters-are-not-correctly-modeled/td-p/9069108/page/3

Surely that is most likely to be due to the reconstruction LPF after the DAC? I'd like to check this. But I don't believe there's any scan of the schematic from which we could derive the critical frequencies of the filter. So, unless I've missed the file somewhere, or someone can scan a copy of the schematic, we'd need someone who knows how to examine the PCB itself and thus figure out the cutoff of the filter.

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Anyway, back to waveforms we go. Although it might have been said elsewhere in the past, I think it's always relevant to point out that the AN1x is perfectly capable of producing sine and triangle waves. The PLG150AN/AN200 advertised these as new features, when they were always available on the AN1x with a little thought and a tiny of of work! All the PLG150AN did was to make them even quicker to dial in.

Sine: Just take any waveform and set its Edge to 0. Voila!

Triangle: Take the square and set its Edge to 64.

That should be a very good starting point, and theoretically is the logical first choice. Of course, to get a particular preferred/characteristic sound, you can also add things like feedback - which I have never investigated yet - and each user's own personal preference as to how much Edge they want, etc.

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I'll do some more investigation of waveforms later, especially incorporating these newly read posts of Richy's that mention feedback and so forth.

As I said, I'd also like to tie that into an investigation of the fixed LPF on the outputs, but I don't believe there's any scanned copy that could help us determine its cutoff frequency, and figuring that out from a PCB is a black art in which I'm not versed. ;)

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Anyone have any thoughts on any of this?

This is terribly sad news - thank you for making time to bring it to the lists attention. Richy (Thomas Richardon) was a valued contributor to the list and his efforts were respected, and appreciated, by many.

Sincerely,

Jon

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "karud99" <karud99@...> wrote:
>
> Hello all on An1x-list,
>
> as I read on Richy's homepage last year the unfortunate news that he passed away (and now his homepage is down), I want to upload this file I found on my computer, an1x_waves.txt he is talking about in this post of his. The file is now in the Files section of this group.
>
> I think he made great great contributions to an1x users with his knowledge, so I hope others will upload also if you have files he shared on his website still on your computer. I think most if not all of his patches are in the Heidelberg set he shared in the files in this group also.
>
> -htk
>

Of course, before we investigate the electronics of the reconstruction LPF, I could probably run a sine sweep or such to get an idea of its inherent frequency response without physical inspection. I'll try that.

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "db00451" <db0451@...> wrote:

> Of course, before we investigate the electronics of the reconstruction LPF, I could probably run a sine sweep or such to get an idea of its inherent frequency response without physical inspection. I'll try that.

Done.

I have no idea what Don Solaris meant by claiming an attenuation of a whopping 20 dB at 12 kHz even with all modelled filters, etc. off.

My tests show the AN1x has a perfectly sane frequency response with an analogue reconstruction LPF whose -3 dB point is at 16 kHz. That figure matches my findings from studying previous synths by Yamaha.

In other words, there's nothing in the AN1x causing any intrinsic attenuation in the normal audible range with all modelled filters off.

I can only assume Don made some mistake - unless it's somehow possible he was talking about something else in very confusing terms, but then again, there's nothing in the AN1x that could do that.

Anyway, crisis averted! The AN1x is sanely designed. That's good news.

In case someone wonders how bad my hearing is not to notice that the reconstruction LPF was fine before... I presume that the last time I tested the AN1x after reading that claim, I used awful headphones or something, muffling the sound and thus making me think it could be true. On proper speakers, it sounds A-OK, and my testing proved that.

If anyone might be interested, I'm drafting a more detailed write-up of this in the works, including my methodology and whatnot, so I might get around to posting that in the relevant thread on GearSlutz.

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "db00451" <db0451@...> wrote:

> If anyone might be interested, I'm drafting a more detailed write-up of this in the works, including my methodology and whatnot, so I might get around to posting that in the relevant thread on GearSlutz.

Aaand done again. In fact, the original thread on the slopes, which also included the claim about there being an intrinsic huge attenuation deep in the audible spectrum, was on not GearSlutz but rather Harmony Central, and so my reply is at the latter:

http://www.harmonycentral.com/t5/Keys-Synths-amp-Samplers/AN1x-filters-are-not-correctly-modeled/td-p/9069108/highlight/false/page/4

I'm db0451 near the end of page 4.

Hi guys !
nice to read you again . Very sad that Richy has passed away.
This reminds me of forums about high end audio stuff where "gurus"
pretend to hear the sound of their cables or a screaming mouse in an
orchestra fortissimo. Call it "psycho acoustics" ?
IMHO the perfect filter does not belong to the real world, even analog
ones (i guess that's what started the discussion, analog vs DSP).
Cheers.
J.F.


db00451 a écrit :

>
> --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AN1x-list%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "db00451" <db0451@...> wrote:
> > If anyone might be interested, I'm drafting a more detailed write-up
> of this in the works, including my methodology and whatnot, so I might
> get around to posting that in the relevant thread on GearSlutz.
>
> Aaand done again. In fact, the original thread on the slopes, which
> also included the claim about there being an intrinsic huge
> attenuation deep in the audible spectrum, was on not GearSlutz but
> rather Harmony Central, and so my reply is at the latter:
>
> http://www.harmonycentral.com/t5/Keys-Synths-amp-Samplers/AN1x-filters-are-not-correctly-modeled/td-p/9069108/highlight/false/page/4
>
> I'm db0451 near the end of page 4.
>
>

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, Jeff <jf.serviere@...> wrote:

>
> IMHO the perfect filter does not belong to the real world, even analog ones

I must assume you are referring to synthesis only, and stating your personal opinion that 'perfect', or rather as close to perfect as is ever possible with current technology, does not sound good.

Regardless of anyone's opinion, 'perfect' filters are indeed _extremely_ important in "the real world" for many people in many professions who need the most accurate possible filtering of signals or data.

That's not the same as saying you have a preference for characterful imperfections in filters, like the famous ones in the Moog for example.

Richy showed me what the AN1X is really capable of. I use the EMU grand daily.

Jimmy 

I had no idea he had passed away. I don't follow the scene very closely.
I found his work to be really impressive, as with his writing. Also he
was a really interesting, generous, and informative guy to converse
with. I kept meaning to get around to both writing to him further, and
look further into his synthesis work.

I'm very sorry to hear the news.

However, his home page is not down, if this is what we are talking about:

http://richy.amihere.de/

http://richy.amihere.de/richy2001/frame.htm

http://richy.amihere.de/richy2001/an1x.htm

http://richy.amihere.de/richy2001/old_an1x.htm

On 18/10/13 05:27, "Jürgen Steiner" wrote:
>
>
> Hi Jimmy,
> Emu grand preset sounds astonishing well for a VA unit. I use it too for
> piano sounds. I tweaked it a bit: Decay in VCA to 100 and deca in VCF to
> 93. Gives it especially with sustain pedal a bit more "musical" touch
> and warmth ...
> best regards
> jurgen
> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 17. Oktober 2013 um 15:07 Uhr
> *Von:* jim.alciere@...
> *An:* AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
> *Betreff:* [AN1x] RE: Re: richy
>
> Richy showed me what the AN1X is really capable of. I use the EMU grand
> daily.
>
> Jimmy
>
>
>
> ---In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, <an1x-list@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> Hello all on An1x-list,
>
> as I read on Richy's homepage last year the unfortunate news that he
> passed away (and now his homepage is down), I want to upload this file I
> found on my computer, an1x_waves.txt he is talking about in this post of
> his. The file is now in the Files section of this group.
>
> I think he made great great contributions to an1x users with his
> knowledge, so I hope others will upload also if you have files he shared
> on his website still on your computer. I think most if not all of his
> patches are in the Heidelberg set he shared in the files in this group also.
>
> -htk
>
>
>
>