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2011-03-29 by spaceanimals

Our beloved AN1X is featured prominently on the back of Keyboard Magazine as an example of how far the new virtual synths have come. Why are the new synths so short, and how do you put one on a keyboard stand?

I had a friend replace a key on the AN1X--it is a royal pain, requires taking everything apart, and even if you are tech savvy (this guy took apart and rebuilt a laptop), it still took most of an afternoon.

Finally, thanks to all with advice. I set up knob 1 to control midi number 7 and sure enough the volume on my vintage keys goes up and down, but so does the volume on the AN1X. How do I set it up so it doesn't affect the AN1x. I tried turning the omni off but that didn't help. I get nervous dealing with the techie parts of the synth, afraid I'll mess something up and it'll never recover.

Thanks

Jimmy

Re: [AN1x] 3 things

2011-03-29 by Nate King

Thanks for the heads up - i'd like to see that article. Personally - I'm
actually thinking about selling my AN1X (i know - i can't believe it either)
as I've recently acquired too much analog gear, and I just can't justify
keeping any more digital stuff around. It should be noted that I also just
recently acquired a dx7iifd, and with two parts of dx7 timbrality - I think
I'm pretty set for fm-synthy digital sounds. :)

On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 10:11 AM, spaceanimals <jim.alciere@...>wrote:

>
>
> Our beloved AN1X is featured prominently on the back of Keyboard Magazine
> as an example of how far the new virtual synths have come. Why are the new
> synths so short, and how do you put one on a keyboard stand?
>
> I had a friend replace a key on the AN1X--it is a royal pain, requires
> taking everything apart, and even if you are tech savvy (this guy took apart
> and rebuilt a laptop), it still took most of an afternoon.
>
> Finally, thanks to all with advice. I set up knob 1 to control midi number
> 7 and sure enough the volume on my vintage keys goes up and down, but so
> does the volume on the AN1X. How do I set it up so it doesn't affect the
> AN1x. I tried turning the omni off but that didn't help. I get nervous
> dealing with the techie parts of the synth, afraid I'll mess something up
> and it'll never recover.
>
> Thanks
>
> Jimmy
>
>
>



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n a t e


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Re: [AN1x] 3 things

2011-03-29 by Jeff

spaceanimals a écrit :
> How do I set it up so it doesn't affect the AN1x. I tried turning the
> omni off but that didn't help. I get nervous dealing with the techie
> parts of the synth, afraid I'll mess something up and it'll never recover.
Relax Jimmy, it's only programming... If something goes wrong or if your
synth hangs up : turn it off and on again or, worst case, do a "factory
reset" by pressing some buttons* before turning it on again. OK, with a
factory reset you'll loose all your stored patches, but the AN1x
software will restart on both feet.
In fact you'll have to set up a knob to control midi number 7 (what
you've done) AND , if possible, send the volume data given by this knob
to another MIDI channel, not the one of your AN1x. Assuming that for
example your AN1x is set to channels 1 and 2 (because of the possible 2
different voices at the same time, scenes, layers and all these kind of
things) set your EMU to listen to another channel, for example 6 and set
the knob to send its data on channel 6. I don't know if it is possible,
never tried, or if, doing so, all the knobs, keys and controls are send
on channel 6...
You have to look at the AN1x MIDI implementation chart to know if it's
possible or not.
Cheers.
J.F.
*press and hold the "7" , "8" , "9" buttons, turn the power ON , and
when the screen displays "Factory Set ?" press the "9" button again,
then "YES" (full reset) . There are other options (load the factory
voices only, part of them, sorted or not, etc...) but the "9" does
everything at once, voices, patterns, OS restart...

Re: [AN1x] 3 things

2011-03-29 by jondl_2000

I think I'd like to read that too...

I've been using a small variety of portable MIDI controllers over the past couple of years (Korg padKONTROL, Novation Nocturn 25 KB, Akai LPD8 and LPK25) with various Virtual Synths. Recently I've been spending some time reacquainting myself with the AN1x and I don't find myself as enthralled with it after so many years. It still sounds nice, but the filter doesn't compare well with newer virtual synths - the FabFilter suite for example. I find I'm less tolerant of the filter stepping on the AN1x then I was years ago.

In the past two weeks I purchased an old Ensoniq SD-1 digital synth from a local arranger/composer who'd been using it as a MIDI Controller - bought it for $200. I'd always wanted one, but now find that having one isn't as satisfying as wanting one ;-)

As soon as I plugged in a pair of MIDI Cables and fired up a SysEx librarian i was like "ugh, do I want to go back to working this way?" There are some intriguing sounds, Transwaves to be specific, but nothing I don't already have in ample supply. Not convinced the SD-1 is a keeper.

Jon

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, Nate King <nate@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the heads up - i'd like to see that article. Personally - I'm
> actually thinking about selling my AN1X (i know - i can't believe it either)
> as I've recently acquired too much analog gear, and I just can't justify
> keeping any more digital stuff around. It should be noted that I also just
> recently acquired a dx7iifd, and with two parts of dx7 timbrality - I think
> I'm pretty set for fm-synthy digital sounds. :)
>
> On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 10:11 AM, spaceanimals <jim.alciere@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Our beloved AN1X is featured prominently on the back of Keyboard Magazine
> > as an example of how far the new virtual synths have come. Why are the new
> > synths so short, and how do you put one on a keyboard stand?
> >
> > I had a friend replace a key on the AN1X--it is a royal pain, requires
> > taking everything apart, and even if you are tech savvy (this guy took apart
> > and rebuilt a laptop), it still took most of an afternoon.
> >
> > Finally, thanks to all with advice. I set up knob 1 to control midi number
> > 7 and sure enough the volume on my vintage keys goes up and down, but so
> > does the volume on the AN1X. How do I set it up so it doesn't affect the
> > AN1x. I tried turning the omni off but that didn't help. I get nervous
> > dealing with the techie parts of the synth, afraid I'll mess something up
> > and it'll never recover.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Jimmy
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> n a t e
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Re: [AN1x] 3 things

2011-03-29 by Nate King

"it still sounds nice" - haha no it doesn't - that's why I like it so much!
The an1x is a great controller - very flexible, user friendly, and lots of
tweakability. The synthesis engine is also very strong and "in your face"
(like my music). I just find that if we're talking digital - anything done
in the computer should have the ability to sound (and we're just talking
strictly sound here - not referencing the playability of the controller) the
same as any hardware box. if it's made with a sample of a waveform, then it
should be able to be made in the computer with the same sample of a
waveform, and if the filters are controlled by a ratio or a model of a
filter, then a vst with the same ratio or model should sound exactly the
same. Therefore, I just can't justify taking up more space. It sucks (to be
honest).

maybe they should do like the electribes and put a tube amp in the an1x,
THEN WE'D BE TALKING! ;) how about an analog filter too? is that
rrrrrreeeeeeaaaaaalllllllllyyyyyyy so difficult. Case in point - I'd never
sell my desktop evolver (very similar to an1x in a lot of respects but with
the punch of analog). anyway I've rambled....

best wishes all!

On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 2:13 PM, jondl_2000 <jondl_2000@...> wrote:

>
>
> I think I'd like to read that too...
>
> I've been using a small variety of portable MIDI controllers over the past
> couple of years (Korg padKONTROL, Novation Nocturn 25 KB, Akai LPD8 and
> LPK25) with various Virtual Synths. Recently I've been spending some time
> reacquainting myself with the AN1x and I don't find myself as enthralled
> with it after so many years. It still sounds nice, but the filter doesn't
> compare well with newer virtual synths - the FabFilter suite for example. I
> find I'm less tolerant of the filter stepping on the AN1x then I was years
> ago.
>
> In the past two weeks I purchased an old Ensoniq SD-1 digital synth from a
> local arranger/composer who'd been using it as a MIDI Controller - bought it
> for $200. I'd always wanted one, but now find that having one isn't as
> satisfying as wanting one ;-)
>
> As soon as I plugged in a pair of MIDI Cables and fired up a SysEx
> librarian i was like "ugh, do I want to go back to working this way?" There
> are some intriguing sounds, Transwaves to be specific, but nothing I don't
> already have in ample supply. Not convinced the SD-1 is a keeper.
>
> Jon
>
> --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, Nate King <nate@...> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for the heads up - i'd like to see that article. Personally - I'm
> > actually thinking about selling my AN1X (i know - i can't believe it
> either)
> > as I've recently acquired too much analog gear, and I just can't justify
> > keeping any more digital stuff around. It should be noted that I also
> just
> > recently acquired a dx7iifd, and with two parts of dx7 timbrality - I
> think
> > I'm pretty set for fm-synthy digital sounds. :)
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 10:11 AM, spaceanimals <jim.alciere@...>wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Our beloved AN1X is featured prominently on the back of Keyboard
> Magazine
> > > as an example of how far the new virtual synths have come. Why are the
> new
> > > synths so short, and how do you put one on a keyboard stand?
> > >
> > > I had a friend replace a key on the AN1X--it is a royal pain, requires
> > > taking everything apart, and even if you are tech savvy (this guy took
> apart
> > > and rebuilt a laptop), it still took most of an afternoon.
> > >
> > > Finally, thanks to all with advice. I set up knob 1 to control midi
> number
> > > 7 and sure enough the volume on my vintage keys goes up and down, but
> so
> > > does the volume on the AN1X. How do I set it up so it doesn't affect
> the
> > > AN1x. I tried turning the omni off but that didn't help. I get nervous
> > > dealing with the techie parts of the synth, afraid I'll mess something
> up
> > > and it'll never recover.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Jimmy
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > n a t e
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>



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Re: [AN1x] 3 things

2011-03-29 by Jon Carroll

An SD-1 for $200? nice find. I just paid $400 for one.... admittedly, it is
an SD-1/32...

Why use one as a controller? two words: polyphonic aftertouch.

----- Original Message -----
From: "jondl_2000" <jondl_2000@...>
To: <AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: [AN1x] 3 things


> In the past two weeks I purchased an old Ensoniq SD-1 digital synth from a
> local arranger/composer who'd been using it as a MIDI Controller - bought
> it for $200. I'd always wanted one, but now find that having one isn't as
> satisfying as wanting one ;-)
>

Re: [AN1x] 3 things

2011-03-30 by Peter Korsten

Op 29-3-2011 20:23, Nate King schreef:

> "it still sounds nice" - haha no it doesn't - that's why I like it so much!
> The an1x is a great controller - very flexible, user friendly, and lots of
> tweakability. The synthesis engine is also very strong and "in your face"
> (like my music). I just find that if we're talking digital - anything done
> in the computer should have the ability to sound (and we're just talking
> strictly sound here - not referencing the playability of the controller) the
> same as any hardware box. if it's made with a sample of a waveform, then it
> should be able to be made in the computer with the same sample of a
> waveform, and if the filters are controlled by a ratio or a model of a
> filter, then a vst with the same ratio or model should sound exactly the
> same. Therefore, I just can't justify taking up more space. It sucks (to be
> honest).

In my view, focussing on the underlying technology, rather than how the
thing sounds, is a little bit short-sighted.

- Peter

Re: [AN1x] 3 things

2011-03-30 by Nate King

Thanks for calling me out on that. What you're saying is similar to how I
feel about someone learning the scales or a few songs and thinking they can
"play" - it doesn't work like that. Please notice I said "that's why I like
it so much!" - as in the an1x does sound different and I do appreciate it
for what it is.

my thought and argument though is that I can't justify taking up space with
another digital synth. Does it sound good, unique, etc? Yes. But the point
remains that if it's digital, then there "should" be a way to get something
that sounds close or better out of another digital machine (i.e.: my
computer). so - i'm finding it hard to think out the reasons of why I should
keep it around. So far every digital synth I've bought I at the time thought
"Wow that has a lot of features and for a good price and sounds pretty sweet
too!" and a few months later I found myself saying "meh" and getting rid of.
The an1x has been the only one that's satisfied my gear lust. Just last year
I owned jp-8080, alesis qs 6, roland jv 1080 and I know a handful of others
I can't think of at the moment. No matter what I do, I still found myself
twiddling with stuff in the computer more than these digital synths and I
can get it to sound a lot better. The only exception is again the an1x, but
with the recent addition of a dx7ii - it seems out of place (and honestly
nearly completely useless when I run the dx7 through analog filters and
other effects and sequence it with something else).

if anyone has thoughts, I'd love to hear them. I figured I'd just kind of
"bat it around". i don't want this to turn into "analog vs digital" street
wars because we all (should) know the advantages of either. I guess my
argument is really digital in a hardware case versus digital in a computer
case :)


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Re: [AN1x] 3 things

2011-03-30 by Peter Korsten

Op 30-3-2011 13:10, Nate King schreef:

> my thought and argument though is that I can't justify taking up space with
> another digital synth. Does it sound good, unique, etc? Yes. But the point
> remains that if it's digital, then there "should" be a way to get something
> that sounds close or better out of another digital machine (i.e.: my
> computer). so - i'm finding it hard to think out the reasons of why I should
> keep it around. So far every digital synth I've bought I at the time thought
> "Wow that has a lot of features and for a good price and sounds pretty sweet
> too!" and a few months later I found myself saying "meh" and getting rid of.
> The an1x has been the only one that's satisfied my gear lust. Just last year
> I owned jp-8080, alesis qs 6, roland jv 1080 and I know a handful of others
> I can't think of at the moment. No matter what I do, I still found myself
> twiddling with stuff in the computer more than these digital synths and I
> can get it to sound a lot better. The only exception is again the an1x, but
> with the recent addition of a dx7ii - it seems out of place (and honestly
> nearly completely useless when I run the dx7 through analog filters and
> other effects and sequence it with something else).

Fair enough, but one could also argue that analogue synths are just a
bunch of transistors, resistors and capacitors thrown together, so
basically they should all sound more or less the same. But there are
different oscillator and filter designs - either in passive components,
or in algorithms.

The difference isn't really between digital and analogue, but more
between subtractive synthesis (what the AN1x and all your analogue
synths do) and other types of synthesis, like the frequency modulation
synthesis of your DX7II, the additive synthesis of the K5000, or
sample&synthesis in pretty much every other synth on the market.

To me, the difference between 'analogue' and 'digital' is a non-issue,
and I also don't quite see why there would be a discussion between the
two. Does a MiniMoog sound better than a DX7? Not if you attempt to
create an electric piano sound, that's for sure.

But that also means that, in my view, you're focussing on irrelevant
issues. The space issue is very important, but if it's that important,
get rid of your DX7II and replace it with an FS1r. Sure, you'll need a
computer editor, but what's the difference between mucking about with a
synth editor and a soft synth? And anyway, there are some excellent FM
soft synths.

I'm not saying that you're wrong in your decision to get rid of the
AN1x. What I'm saying is that you're using the wrong arguments to
convince yourself. "There should be something that sounds close [...]" -
no, not really. Unless someone stole the algorithm from Yamaha, in which
case they may expect a court case.

I'm pretty sure that there are soft synths, analogue modelling synths,
that sound good enough for you to get rid of the AN1x. But I'm also
quite sure that you won't find a soft synth that sounds "really close",
let alone identical.

In the end, it's all about the sound.

- Peter

Re: [AN1x] 3 things

2011-03-30 by jammie

zt3ai is about as close a sound to the an1x in a soft synth but lacks hand on control and the 8 control nobs are great as you can have many controlers set

and the keyboard has a good feel

i have tried some of the new synths on the block and have to say that the keyboards are shit very flexible plastic

i use both hardware and software and would not give up my asr10 keyboards for any soft sampler as the polyphonic keyboard action is great and there is still no soft synth that can perform poly aftertouch supposed to be coming in vst3 but not as yet

my asr10 is 19 years old so to me the software synths are still way behind the hardware

its all about the sound and i find it very hard to get soft synths and samplers to sit in a mix like hard ware thats why i sample soft synths in to my collection of samplers

and then use them in the mix they always sound much better hence why top producers still keep there most coverted hard ware
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Korsten
To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 7:42 PM
Subject: Re: [AN1x] 3 things



Op 30-3-2011 13:10, Nate King schreef:

> my thought and argument though is that I can't justify taking up space with
> another digital synth. Does it sound good, unique, etc? Yes. But the point
> remains that if it's digital, then there "should" be a way to get something
> that sounds close or better out of another digital machine (i.e.: my
> computer). so - i'm finding it hard to think out the reasons of why I should
> keep it around. So far every digital synth I've bought I at the time thought
> "Wow that has a lot of features and for a good price and sounds pretty sweet
> too!" and a few months later I found myself saying "meh" and getting rid of.
> The an1x has been the only one that's satisfied my gear lust. Just last year
> I owned jp-8080, alesis qs 6, roland jv 1080 and I know a handful of others
> I can't think of at the moment. No matter what I do, I still found myself
> twiddling with stuff in the computer more than these digital synths and I
> can get it to sound a lot better. The only exception is again the an1x, but
> with the recent addition of a dx7ii - it seems out of place (and honestly
> nearly completely useless when I run the dx7 through analog filters and
> other effects and sequence it with something else).

Fair enough, but one could also argue that analogue synths are just a
bunch of transistors, resistors and capacitors thrown together, so
basically they should all sound more or less the same. But there are
different oscillator and filter designs - either in passive components,
or in algorithms.

The difference isn't really between digital and analogue, but more
between subtractive synthesis (what the AN1x and all your analogue
synths do) and other types of synthesis, like the frequency modulation
synthesis of your DX7II, the additive synthesis of the K5000, or
sample&synthesis in pretty much every other synth on the market.

To me, the difference between 'analogue' and 'digital' is a non-issue,
and I also don't quite see why there would be a discussion between the
two. Does a MiniMoog sound better than a DX7? Not if you attempt to
create an electric piano sound, that's for sure.

But that also means that, in my view, you're focussing on irrelevant
issues. The space issue is very important, but if it's that important,
get rid of your DX7II and replace it with an FS1r. Sure, you'll need a
computer editor, but what's the difference between mucking about with a
synth editor and a soft synth? And anyway, there are some excellent FM
soft synths.

I'm not saying that you're wrong in your decision to get rid of the
AN1x. What I'm saying is that you're using the wrong arguments to
convince yourself. "There should be something that sounds close [...]" -
no, not really. Unless someone stole the algorithm from Yamaha, in which
case they may expect a court case.

I'm pretty sure that there are soft synths, analogue modelling synths,
that sound good enough for you to get rid of the AN1x. But I'm also
quite sure that you won't find a soft synth that sounds "really close",
let alone identical.

In the end, it's all about the sound.

- Peter





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Re: [AN1x] 3 things

2011-03-30 by Nate King

Do you mean z3ta+ from cakewalk? That's a pretty sweet piece of software....

Crap- I guess I went to the wrong place if I expected musicians to tell me
to sell a piece of gear (unless to them for very cheap :) ), but just the
same, I guess ill have to put some more thought into it. I read a post
recently (don't remember where, prob here) that said "would it be so hard to
put an fm synth, real analog filter, and some effects, sequencing etc in a
plastic case and sell it to the masses?" If that'd happen - all my
troubles'd be gone.... :)
On Mar 30, 2011 3:14 PM, "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
> zt3ai is about as close a sound to the an1x in a soft synth but lacks hand
on control and the 8 control nobs are great as you can have many controlers
set
>
> and the keyboard has a good feel
>
> i have tried some of the new synths on the block and have to say that the
keyboards are shit very flexible plastic
>
> i use both hardware and software and would not give up my asr10 keyboards
for any soft sampler as the polyphonic keyboard action is great and there is
still no soft synth that can perform poly aftertouch supposed to be coming
in vst3 but not as yet
>
> my asr10 is 19 years old so to me the software synths are still way behind
the hardware
>
> its all about the sound and i find it very hard to get soft synths and
samplers to sit in a mix like hard ware thats why i sample soft synths in to
my collection of samplers
>
> and then use them in the mix they always sound much better hence why top
producers still keep there most coverted hard ware
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Peter Korsten
> To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 7:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [AN1x] 3 things
>
>
>
> Op 30-3-2011 13:10, Nate King schreef:
>
> > my thought and argument though is that I can't justify taking up space
with
> > another digital synth. Does it sound good, unique, etc? Yes. But the
point
> > remains that if it's digital, then there "should" be a way to get
something
> > that sounds close or better out of another digital machine (i.e.: my
> > computer). so - i'm finding it hard to think out the reasons of why I
should
> > keep it around. So far every digital synth I've bought I at the time
thought
> > "Wow that has a lot of features and for a good price and sounds pretty
sweet
> > too!" and a few months later I found myself saying "meh" and getting rid
of.
> > The an1x has been the only one that's satisfied my gear lust. Just last
year
> > I owned jp-8080, alesis qs 6, roland jv 1080 and I know a handful of
others
> > I can't think of at the moment. No matter what I do, I still found
myself
> > twiddling with stuff in the computer more than these digital synths and
I
> > can get it to sound a lot better. The only exception is again the an1x,
but
> > with the recent addition of a dx7ii - it seems out of place (and
honestly
> > nearly completely useless when I run the dx7 through analog filters and
> > other effects and sequence it with something else).
>
> Fair enough, but one could also argue that analogue synths are just a
> bunch of transistors, resistors and capacitors thrown together, so
> basically they should all sound more or less the same. But there are
> different oscillator and filter designs - either in passive components,
> or in algorithms.
>
> The difference isn't really between digital and analogue, but more
> between subtractive synthesis (what the AN1x and all your analogue
> synths do) and other types of synthesis, like the frequency modulation
> synthesis of your DX7II, the additive synthesis of the K5000, or
> sample&synthesis in pretty much every other synth on the market.
>
> To me, the difference between 'analogue' and 'digital' is a non-issue,
> and I also don't quite see why there would be a discussion between the
> two. Does a MiniMoog sound better than a DX7? Not if you attempt to
> create an electric piano sound, that's for sure.
>
> But that also means that, in my view, you're focussing on irrelevant
> issues. The space issue is very important, but if it's that important,
> get rid of your DX7II and replace it with an FS1r. Sure, you'll need a
> computer editor, but what's the difference between mucking about with a
> synth editor and a soft synth? And anyway, there are some excellent FM
> soft synths.
>
> I'm not saying that you're wrong in your decision to get rid of the
> AN1x. What I'm saying is that you're using the wrong arguments to
> convince yourself. "There should be something that sounds close [...]" -
> no, not really. Unless someone stole the algorithm from Yamaha, in which
> case they may expect a court case.
>
> I'm pretty sure that there are soft synths, analogue modelling synths,
> that sound good enough for you to get rid of the AN1x. But I'm also
> quite sure that you won't find a soft synth that sounds "really close",
> let alone identical.
>
> In the end, it's all about the sound.
>
> - Peter
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AN1x] 3 things

2011-03-30 by Jeff

Peter Korsten a écrit :
> The difference isn't really between digital and analogue, but more
> between subtractive synthesis (what the AN1x and all your analogue
> synths do) and other types of synthesis, like the frequency modulation
> synthesis of your DX7II, the additive synthesis of the K5000, or
> sample&synthesis in pretty much every other synth on the market.
Right Peter ! Each type has its good and bad....
And remember that now a huge majority of music is digitally recorded,
mastered and reproduced , the only real analog links in all this chain
are the mike on one side and the amplifier and speakers on the other...
From medieval music groups playing old acoustic instruments to ...
analog synths riffs for a dance floor all is now mostly "digital" !

You can find the same kind of endless discussion about valve vs solid
state amplifiers, mostly guitar amps, but even home stereos with all the
"audiophile" delirium. One one hand there are good and bad amps,
whatever they're made with tubes, transistors or banana skins... On
another, and only if you want to overdrive your amp, tubes could be
better because they don't clip the same way as trannies do, giving a
different harmonic spectrum. Completely useless to listen to a CD at
home, but for a blues - rock guitarist on stage maybe not. I say "maybe"
because most of the distortion / overdrive pedals (even the most sought
after collectors) are solid state.
Cheers.
J.F.

Re: [AN1x] 3 things

2011-03-31 by jondl_2000

The Poly AT is nice, but the sensitivity is waaaay different from the AN1x I checked the manual to adjust the key sensitivity to my liking and find it works best if you apply pressure closer to the key mechanism.

Opened the case yesterday to remove a 'loose screw' and found it was actually a small, phillips head computer tool left in the case! Geez. Think I'm going to order the 4.10 EEPROM from Rt66 and OD Disk to upgrade from the installed 3.00 EEPROM.

Still on the fence whether this is a keeper or not...

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Carroll" <joncarroll@...> wrote:
>
> An SD-1 for $200? nice find. I just paid $400 for one.... admittedly, it is
> an SD-1/32...
>
> Why use one as a controller? two words: polyphonic aftertouch.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jondl_2000" <jondl_2000@...>
> To: <AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 11:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [AN1x] 3 things
>
>
> > In the past two weeks I purchased an old Ensoniq SD-1 digital synth from a
> > local arranger/composer who'd been using it as a MIDI Controller - bought
> > it for $200. I'd always wanted one, but now find that having one isn't as
> > satisfying as wanting one ;-)
> >
>

Re: [AN1x] 3 things

2011-03-31 by jondl_2000

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, Nate King <nate@...> wrote:
>
> "it still sounds nice" - haha no it doesn't - that's why I like it so much!


"Nice" being a pleasantry for "I still enjoy it, with some reservations" hahaha

> The an1x is a great controller - very flexible, user friendly, and lots of
> tweakability.

Agreed, it makes a "nice" controller.

The synthesis engine is also very strong and "in your face"
> (like my music). I just find that if we're talking digital - anything done
> in the computer should have the ability to sound (and we're just talking
> strictly sound here - not referencing the playability of the controller) the
> same as any hardware box. if it's made with a sample of a waveform, then it
> should be able to be made in the computer with the same sample of a
> waveform, and if the filters are controlled by a ratio or a model of a
> filter, then a vst with the same ratio or model should sound exactly the
> same. Therefore, I just can't justify taking up more space. It sucks (to be
> honest).

For me, I find I'm more absorbed by the the process then the means. I'm very happy with the plethora of soft synths I've been using and using a 90's digital synth for a couple of short weeks has forced me to relearn methods I've pretty much moved away from and challenged my assumptions.

>
> maybe they should do like the electribes and put a tube amp in the an1x,
> THEN WE'D BE TALKING! ;)

Funny you should mention Electribs because I was keeping my eye on 2nd hand prices on the EMX until I bid on the SD-1 at eBay - on an impulse - because it was a local deal, i.e. no shipping!


how about an analog filter too? is that
> rrrrrreeeeeeaaaaaalllllllllyyyyyyy so difficult. Case in point - I'd never
> sell my desktop evolver (very similar to an1x in a lot of respects but with
> the punch of analog). anyway I've rambled....
>
> best wishes all!
>

Rambling is allowed... would like to check out a DSI Mopho or Tetra.

Jon

Re: [AN1x] 3 things

2011-03-31 by Jon Carroll

uh, the sensor for the aftertouch is located about 1/4 of the way in on the
key...

make sure to clean off the sensors and the metal strips on the keys...


----- Original Message -----
From: "jondl_2000" <jondl_2000@...>
To: <AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 8:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AN1x] 3 things


> The Poly AT is nice, but the sensitivity is waaaay different from the AN1x
> I checked the manual to adjust the key sensitivity to my liking and find
> it works best if you apply pressure closer to the key mechanism.
>
> Opened the case yesterday to remove a 'loose screw' and found it was
> actually a small, phillips head computer tool left in the case! Geez.
> Think I'm going to order the 4.10 EEPROM from Rt66 and OD Disk to upgrade
> from the installed 3.00 EEPROM.
>
> Still on the fence whether this is a keeper or not...
>
> --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Jon Carroll" <joncarroll@...> wrote:
>>
>> An SD-1 for $200? nice find. I just paid $400 for one.... admittedly, it
>> is
>> an SD-1/32...
>>
>> Why use one as a controller? two words: polyphonic aftertouch.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "jondl_2000" <jondl_2000@...>
>> To: <AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 11:13 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AN1x] 3 things
>>
>>
>> > In the past two weeks I purchased an old Ensoniq SD-1 digital synth
>> > from a
>> > local arranger/composer who'd been using it as a MIDI Controller -
>> > bought
>> > it for $200. I'd always wanted one, but now find that having one isn't
>> > as
>> > satisfying as wanting one ;-)
>> >
>>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AN1x] 3 things

2011-03-31 by jammie

get a diy shruti way better than the tetra at half the cost with wavetable scanning its 8 bit but pure analog voice path so sweet
----- Original Message -----
From: jondl_2000
To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 4:29 AM
Subject: Re: [AN1x] 3 things





--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, Nate King <nate@...> wrote:
>
> "it still sounds nice" - haha no it doesn't - that's why I like it so much!

"Nice" being a pleasantry for "I still enjoy it, with some reservations" hahaha

> The an1x is a great controller - very flexible, user friendly, and lots of
> tweakability.

Agreed, it makes a "nice" controller.

The synthesis engine is also very strong and "in your face"
> (like my music). I just find that if we're talking digital - anything done
> in the computer should have the ability to sound (and we're just talking
> strictly sound here - not referencing the playability of the controller) the
> same as any hardware box. if it's made with a sample of a waveform, then it
> should be able to be made in the computer with the same sample of a
> waveform, and if the filters are controlled by a ratio or a model of a
> filter, then a vst with the same ratio or model should sound exactly the
> same. Therefore, I just can't justify taking up more space. It sucks (to be
> honest).

For me, I find I'm more absorbed by the the process then the means. I'm very happy with the plethora of soft synths I've been using and using a 90's digital synth for a couple of short weeks has forced me to relearn methods I've pretty much moved away from and challenged my assumptions.

>
> maybe they should do like the electribes and put a tube amp in the an1x,
> THEN WE'D BE TALKING! ;)

Funny you should mention Electribs because I was keeping my eye on 2nd hand prices on the EMX until I bid on the SD-1 at eBay - on an impulse - because it was a local deal, i.e. no shipping!

how about an analog filter too? is that
> rrrrrreeeeeeaaaaaalllllllllyyyyyyy so difficult. Case in point - I'd never
> sell my desktop evolver (very similar to an1x in a lot of respects but with
> the punch of analog). anyway I've rambled....
>
> best wishes all!
>

Rambling is allowed... would like to check out a DSI Mopho or Tetra.

Jon






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Re: [AN1x] 3 things

2011-03-31 by Jon Carroll

do you have a shruti and hav e spent extensive time with a tetra, or are you
just basing that off youtube videos?

----- Original Message -----
From: "jammie" <jammie.emma@...>
To: <AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 6:17 AM
Subject: Re: [AN1x] 3 things


> get a diy shruti way better than the tetra at half the cost with wavetable
> scanning its 8 bit but pure analog voice path so sweet
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jondl_2000
> To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 4:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [AN1x] 3 things
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, Nate King <nate@...> wrote:
> >
> > "it still sounds nice" - haha no it doesn't - that's why I like it so
> much!
>
> "Nice" being a pleasantry for "I still enjoy it, with some reservations"
> hahaha
>
> > The an1x is a great controller - very flexible, user friendly, and lots
> of
> > tweakability.
>
> Agreed, it makes a "nice" controller.
>
> The synthesis engine is also very strong and "in your face"
> > (like my music). I just find that if we're talking digital - anything
> done
> > in the computer should have the ability to sound (and we're just
> talking
> > strictly sound here - not referencing the playability of the
> controller) the
> > same as any hardware box. if it's made with a sample of a waveform,
> then it
> > should be able to be made in the computer with the same sample of a
> > waveform, and if the filters are controlled by a ratio or a model of a
> > filter, then a vst with the same ratio or model should sound exactly
> the
> > same. Therefore, I just can't justify taking up more space. It sucks
> (to be
> > honest).
>
> For me, I find I'm more absorbed by the the process then the means. I'm
> very happy with the plethora of soft synths I've been using and using a
> 90's digital synth for a couple of short weeks has forced me to relearn
> methods I've pretty much moved away from and challenged my assumptions.
>
> >
> > maybe they should do like the electribes and put a tube amp in the
> an1x,
> > THEN WE'D BE TALKING! ;)
>
> Funny you should mention Electribs because I was keeping my eye on 2nd
> hand prices on the EMX until I bid on the SD-1 at eBay - on an impulse -
> because it was a local deal, i.e. no shipping!
>
> how about an analog filter too? is that
> > rrrrrreeeeeeaaaaaalllllllllyyyyyyy so difficult. Case in point - I'd
> never
> > sell my desktop evolver (very similar to an1x in a lot of respects but
> with
> > the punch of analog). anyway I've rambled....
> >
> > best wishes all!
> >
>
> Rambling is allowed... would like to check out a DSI Mopho or Tetra.
>
> Jon
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AN1x] 3 things

2011-03-31 by Nate King

I wasn't entirely sure what the tetra did in comparison (i have a desktop
evolver) so I checked it out - on paper the tetra is a beast and really
nothing like the shruthi (i didn't know what that was - and i'll be ordering
one today :) ) shruthi is an 8 bit digital synth that uses wavetable and
other forms of 8 bit synthesis to generate waveforms. it then passes through
an analog filter. It's cool because it's hackable, and it sounds good
because it passes through a nice filter. It has some nice modulation
capabilities, and a nice arp and sequencer. Pretty sweet for $180(ish) usd.
contrarily - the tetra is four parts of two osc (dco) synths - all
controllable from their own signal path (multi-timbral). there are tons of
modulation routings. the REAL key here (to me) is the two sub octave
generators per voice. That could make your sound HUGE. It's really expensive
though and it lacks the fm/ring mod capabilities of the evolver (can get it
to sounds very similar to the fm sounds of the AN1X, but then passed through
an analog filter).
conclusion: you can get some really cool sounds out of the shruthi (or
anything else for that matter) but the tetra is the cat's
mmmmmmmmmmmmeeeeeeeeeeeooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwww for subtractive synth guys
that want fat polyphony. contrarily - i could get four shruthi's (and build
them) for the price of one new tetra (used street price is prob 4-500 ----i
think----)

n a t e


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Re: [AN1x] 3 things

2011-03-31 by jammie

ive got a shruti with 2 filter board im just waiting for the next batch to add more voices

i also have a dss1x sampler which has osc sync now thats a hybrid beast additive synthesis with samples and pure analog voice path best sweep of any analog period

i have a massive collection of old samplers and analog keyboards

i like the an1x as its fm is well implimented and you can get sounds out of that the analog beast it was based on cant

and the morph sequencer is a nice touch
----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Carroll
To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [AN1x] 3 things



do you have a shruti and hav e spent extensive time with a tetra, or are you
just basing that off youtube videos?

----- Original Message -----
From: "jammie" <jammie.emma@...>
To: <AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 6:17 AM
Subject: Re: [AN1x] 3 things

> get a diy shruti way better than the tetra at half the cost with wavetable
> scanning its 8 bit but pure analog voice path so sweet
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jondl_2000
> To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 4:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [AN1x] 3 things
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, Nate King <nate@...> wrote:
> >
> > "it still sounds nice" - haha no it doesn't - that's why I like it so
> much!
>
> "Nice" being a pleasantry for "I still enjoy it, with some reservations"
> hahaha
>
> > The an1x is a great controller - very flexible, user friendly, and lots
> of
> > tweakability.
>
> Agreed, it makes a "nice" controller.
>
> The synthesis engine is also very strong and "in your face"
> > (like my music). I just find that if we're talking digital - anything
> done
> > in the computer should have the ability to sound (and we're just
> talking
> > strictly sound here - not referencing the playability of the
> controller) the
> > same as any hardware box. if it's made with a sample of a waveform,
> then it
> > should be able to be made in the computer with the same sample of a
> > waveform, and if the filters are controlled by a ratio or a model of a
> > filter, then a vst with the same ratio or model should sound exactly
> the
> > same. Therefore, I just can't justify taking up more space. It sucks
> (to be
> > honest).
>
> For me, I find I'm more absorbed by the the process then the means. I'm
> very happy with the plethora of soft synths I've been using and using a
> 90's digital synth for a couple of short weeks has forced me to relearn
> methods I've pretty much moved away from and challenged my assumptions.
>
> >
> > maybe they should do like the electribes and put a tube amp in the
> an1x,
> > THEN WE'D BE TALKING! ;)
>
> Funny you should mention Electribs because I was keeping my eye on 2nd
> hand prices on the EMX until I bid on the SD-1 at eBay - on an impulse -
> because it was a local deal, i.e. no shipping!
>
> how about an analog filter too? is that
> > rrrrrreeeeeeaaaaaalllllllllyyyyyyy so difficult. Case in point - I'd
> never
> > sell my desktop evolver (very similar to an1x in a lot of respects but
> with
> > the punch of analog). anyway I've rambled....
> >
> > best wishes all!
> >
>
> Rambling is allowed... would like to check out a DSI Mopho or Tetra.
>
> Jon
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: 3 things

2011-04-01 by ubergvx

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "spaceanimals" <jim.alciere@...> wrote:
>
> Why are the new synths so short, and how do you put one on a keyboard stand?
>
> I set up knob 1 to control midi number 7 and sure enough the volume on my vintage keys goes up and down, but so does the volume on the AN1X. How do I set it up so it doesn't affect the AN1x.

Try setting up the knob to send controller number 11 (expresssion); some modules recognize it, although I don't know about Vintage Keys. I use a volume pedal connected to the AN1x's "Foot Controller" input, assign it to send controller #11, and it controls the volume on my Voce organ module (which recognizes #11).

That's one reason why I'll never part with my AN1x - it's a good controller. The other 2 reasons you've already stated: it sounds great, and it has 61 keys. Any other VA or real analog synth with 61 keys (Prophet, Evolver, Virus, ??) is gonna cost $2000 and up and won't be as good a controller. Versus $350 for my AN1x. No contest. ;-)

My live rig is a weighted controller (ancient KX-88) and the AN1x, driving a rack with synth/organ/piano modules. When the AN1x isn't being synthy, it's a nice organ keyboard.

Van

Re: [AN1x] Re: 3 things

2011-04-01 by Sascha Schneider

As new AN!X user (hi list, btw) I love the AN!X for it's caracter in sound.
Most newer Syths sound too ... clean. Modulating Sound with the controller
and the ribbon is fun³

greetings from belgium, Sascha

2011/4/1 ubergvx <v.bergen@...>

>
>
> --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "spaceanimals" <jim.alciere@...> wrote:
> >
> > Why are the new synths so short, and how do you put one on a keyboard
> stand?
> >
> > I set up knob 1 to control midi number 7 and sure enough the volume on my
> vintage keys goes up and down, but so does the volume on the AN1X. How do I
> set it up so it doesn't affect the AN1x.
>
> Try setting up the knob to send controller number 11 (expresssion); some
> modules recognize it, although I don't know about Vintage Keys. I use a
> volume pedal connected to the AN1x's "Foot Controller" input, assign it to
> send controller #11, and it controls the volume on my Voce organ module
> (which recognizes #11).
>
> That's one reason why I'll never part with my AN1x - it's a good
> controller. The other 2 reasons you've already stated: it sounds great, and
> it has 61 keys. Any other VA or real analog synth with 61 keys (Prophet,
> Evolver, Virus, ??) is gonna cost $2000 and up and won't be as good a
> controller. Versus $350 for my AN1x. No contest. ;-)
>
> My live rig is a weighted controller (ancient KX-88) and the AN1x, driving
> a rack with synth/organ/piano modules. When the AN1x isn't being synthy,
> it's a nice organ keyboard.
>
> Van
>
>
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Re: [AN1x] 3 things

2011-04-03 by crabber338

I've had the An1x since the late 90's. I recently pulled it out of storage and replaced a low battery for a new project.

Wow! This thing get's better with age! I've acquired quite a few synths since the day I bought my an1x brand new. Yet, there's something about this synth that really amazes me. The build isn't the best and maybe today things are sampled at 192khz, etc... But the sound... It fits between analog and digital.

Personally, I feel it's a classic synth and Yamaha should be proud of the work they did on this. It's unique, which is something many boards lack.

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, Nate King <nate@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the heads up - i'd like to see that article. Personally - I'm
> actually thinking about selling my AN1X (i know - i can't believe it either)
> as I've recently acquired too much analog gear, and I just can't justify
> keeping any more digital stuff around. It should be noted that I also just
> recently acquired a dx7iifd, and with two parts of dx7 timbrality - I think
> I'm pretty set for fm-synthy digital sounds. :)
>
> On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 10:11 AM, spaceanimals <jim.alciere@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Our beloved AN1X is featured prominently on the back of Keyboard Magazine
> > as an example of how far the new virtual synths have come. Why are the new
> > synths so short, and how do you put one on a keyboard stand?
> >
> > I had a friend replace a key on the AN1X--it is a royal pain, requires
> > taking everything apart, and even if you are tech savvy (this guy took apart
> > and rebuilt a laptop), it still took most of an afternoon.
> >
> > Finally, thanks to all with advice. I set up knob 1 to control midi number
> > 7 and sure enough the volume on my vintage keys goes up and down, but so
> > does the volume on the AN1X. How do I set it up so it doesn't affect the
> > AN1x. I tried turning the omni off but that didn't help. I get nervous
> > dealing with the techie parts of the synth, afraid I'll mess something up
> > and it'll never recover.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Jimmy
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> n a t e
>
>
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