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Hi there,

I've recently brought my AN1x out of hibernation and I'm trying to get everything set up. My current computer doesn't have a joystick port so I've had to use a usb to midi cable. It seems to work fine for standard midi in and out but when I try to use the editor to request or dump data, it just doesn't work. Nothing happend on send, and I get a popup saying "Receive Error" when I try to request data.

I've used midi-ox to monitor the midi data. When I initialise a bulk dump from the synth the monitor software is able to recieve the following data

000014C5 1 -- F0 Buffer: 55 Bytes System Exclusive
SYSX: F0 43 00 5C 10 0E 00 06 00 00 00 3C 48 46 48 48 4B 3C
SYSX: 46 46 48 6D 32 6E 70 52 64 73 64 44 4A 61 3C 3C 3C 3C
SYSX: 3C 3C 3C 3C 3C 3C 3C 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 28
SYSX: F7

Does anyone have any idea why AN1xEdit would have these problems to send and recieve? I'm going nuts trying to figure this out!

Many thanks,
Lance Taylor

Hi,

Looking at the message, I can say that you definitely have a problem for two reasons:
1) The fifth and sixth bytes in an AN1x SYSEX message give the length of the message as a fourteen bit word. So the value from the dump below, 100E, is 080E or 2062 in decimal. A voice bulk dump is 796 bytes in length, and user sequences are only 46 bytes.
2) The seventh to tenth bytes in an AN1x SYSEX are an "address" that identifies the data in the message. The value 000600 is not a valid address.

Valid address can be found in the AN1x Data List/MIDI manual at the bottom of page 13. E.g. a user voice message has the address 10mm00 where mm is the voice number (0-127).

So at a guess I would say that your interface is losing a whole load of data. AN1x edit would not be happy with the length of the message or the address of the message, and the checksum would also equally be wrong as well.

I know in general that some people have problems with these USB to MIDI leads. Have you tried it with a different interface? Can you borrow one off of a friend to try it?

My AN1x works happily on a MOTU MidiExpress, which is a USB interface, so the fact that your connecting via USB is not the issue, more probably what you are using to make the connection.

Cheers
Derek

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "lancerael" <lancerael@...> wrote:
>
> Hi there,
>
> I've recently brought my AN1x out of hibernation and I'm trying to get everything set up. My current computer doesn't have a joystick port so I've had to use a usb to midi cable. It seems to work fine for standard midi in and out but when I try to use the editor to request or dump data, it just doesn't work. Nothing happend on send, and I get a popup saying "Receive Error" when I try to request data.
>
> I've used midi-ox to monitor the midi data. When I initialise a bulk dump from the synth the monitor software is able to recieve the following data
>
> 000014C5 1 -- F0 Buffer: 55 Bytes System Exclusive
> SYSX: F0 43 00 5C 10 0E 00 06 00 00 00 3C 48 46 48 48 4B 3C
> SYSX: 46 46 48 6D 32 6E 70 52 64 73 64 44 4A 61 3C 3C 3C 3C
> SYSX: 3C 3C 3C 3C 3C 3C 3C 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 28
> SYSX: F7
>
> Does anyone have any idea why AN1xEdit would have these problems to send and recieve? I'm going nuts trying to figure this out!
>
> Many thanks,
> Lance Taylor
>

Hello Lance !
I've heard that some MIDI - USB converters work (or not...) with AN1x
Edit, for some obscure reason(s). It is a recurrent topic on the
forum... I use an inexpensive Prodipe 1i/o MIDI - USB "converter" (let's
say : cable !) without any problem. My computer is a standard PC with XP
- SP3, Vista is flawed and i don't need W7 as XP is stable and reliable
with all my software.
If you can try another MIDI - USB converter : try it !

Your sysex message structure should be :

F0 Exclusive start
43 YAMAHA ID
00 device Number
5C Model ID
0bbbbbbb ByteCount (b = 1 or 0 -> 00 to 7F hex)
0bbbbbbb ByteCount
0aaaaaaa Address High (a = 1 or 0 -> 00 to 7F hex)
0aaaaaaa Address Mid
0aaaaaaa Address Low
00 Data first byte
| |
0ccccccc Check-sum (c = 1 or 0 -> 00 to 7F hex)
F7 End of Exclusive

According to the MIDI implementation chart of our favorite keyboard.
Cheers.
J.F.


lancerael a écrit :

>
> Hi there,
>
> I've recently brought my AN1x out of hibernation and I'm trying to get
> everything set up. My current computer doesn't have a joystick port so
> I've had to use a usb to midi cable. It seems to work fine for
> standard midi in and out but when I try to use the editor to request
> or dump data, it just doesn't work. Nothing happend on send, and I get
> a popup saying "Receive Error" when I try to request data.
>
> I've used midi-ox to monitor the midi data. When I initialise a bulk
> dump from the synth the monitor software is able to recieve the
> following data
>
> 000014C5 1 -- F0 Buffer: 55 Bytes System Exclusive
> SYSX: F0 43 00 5C 10 0E 00 06 00 00 00 3C 48 46 48 48 4B 3C
> SYSX: 46 46 48 6D 32 6E 70 52 64 73 64 44 4A 61 3C 3C 3C 3C
> SYSX: 3C 3C 3C 3C 3C 3C 3C 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 28
> SYSX: F7
>
> Does anyone have any idea why AN1xEdit would have these problems to
> send and recieve? I'm going nuts trying to figure this out!
>
> Many thanks,
> Lance Taylor
>
>

Hi Derek,

Thanks for the fast response! The contents of the sysex message are a bit beyond me to be honest. I don't have the manual anymore, my mum had an attic clearout years ago and threw out the "useless empty box" with my manual in it. I'm glad I posted the data.

Someone else on the list has suggested another interface as well, I'll give that a shot. I've just ordered another adapter. In the meantime I have another desktop PC with XP and it has a joystick port - so I'll use that to check that these signals are coming out of the synth correctly in the first place.

Thanks again,
Lance

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "derek192603" <dacook.sa432bb@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Looking at the message, I can say that you definitely have a problem for two reasons:
> 1) The fifth and sixth bytes in an AN1x SYSEX message give the length of the message as a fourteen bit word. So the value from the dump below, 100E, is 080E or 2062 in decimal. A voice bulk dump is 796 bytes in length, and user sequences are only 46 bytes.
> 2) The seventh to tenth bytes in an AN1x SYSEX are an "address" that identifies the data in the message. The value 000600 is not a valid address.
>
> Valid address can be found in the AN1x Data List/MIDI manual at the bottom of page 13. E.g. a user voice message has the address 10mm00 where mm is the voice number (0-127).
>
> So at a guess I would say that your interface is losing a whole load of data. AN1x edit would not be happy with the length of the message or the address of the message, and the checksum would also equally be wrong as well.
>
> I know in general that some people have problems with these USB to MIDI leads. Have you tried it with a different interface? Can you borrow one off of a friend to try it?
>
> My AN1x works happily on a MOTU MidiExpress, which is a USB interface, so the fact that your connecting via USB is not the issue, more probably what you are using to make the connection.
>
> Cheers
> Derek
>
> --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "lancerael" <lancerael@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi there,
> >
> > I've recently brought my AN1x out of hibernation and I'm trying to get everything set up. My current computer doesn't have a joystick port so I've had to use a usb to midi cable. It seems to work fine for standard midi in and out but when I try to use the editor to request or dump data, it just doesn't work. Nothing happend on send, and I get a popup saying "Receive Error" when I try to request data.
> >
> > I've used midi-ox to monitor the midi data. When I initialise a bulk dump from the synth the monitor software is able to recieve the following data
> >
> > 000014C5 1 -- F0 Buffer: 55 Bytes System Exclusive
> > SYSX: F0 43 00 5C 10 0E 00 06 00 00 00 3C 48 46 48 48 4B 3C
> > SYSX: 46 46 48 6D 32 6E 70 52 64 73 64 44 4A 61 3C 3C 3C 3C
> > SYSX: 3C 3C 3C 3C 3C 3C 3C 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 28
> > SYSX: F7
> >
> > Does anyone have any idea why AN1xEdit would have these problems to send and recieve? I'm going nuts trying to figure this out!
> >
> > Many thanks,
> > Lance Taylor
> >
>

Hi JF,

Thanks for the response! Seems that the adapter is the most likely point of failure then. I've ordered the same converter you've been using. Hopefully that's it and Win7 won't mess it up. I do have an XP machine, and one with a joystick port too. I can test on there but I'd rather use this machine for writing.

Thanks for posting the part from the manual, my manual has been long since awol. Still not sure I follow it, but hopefully once I get everything working I won't have to worry about this too much.

Thanks again,
Lance

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, Jeff <jf.serviere@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Lance !
> I've heard that some MIDI - USB converters work (or not...) with AN1x
> Edit, for some obscure reason(s). It is a recurrent topic on the
> forum... I use an inexpensive Prodipe 1i/o MIDI - USB "converter" (let's
> say : cable !) without any problem. My computer is a standard PC with XP
> - SP3, Vista is flawed and i don't need W7 as XP is stable and reliable
> with all my software.
> If you can try another MIDI - USB converter : try it !
>
> Your sysex message structure should be :
>
> F0 Exclusive start
> 43 YAMAHA ID
> 00 device Number
> 5C Model ID
> 0bbbbbbb ByteCount (b = 1 or 0 -> 00 to 7F hex)
> 0bbbbbbb ByteCount
> 0aaaaaaa Address High (a = 1 or 0 -> 00 to 7F hex)
> 0aaaaaaa Address Mid
> 0aaaaaaa Address Low
> 00 Data first byte
> | |
> 0ccccccc Check-sum (c = 1 or 0 -> 00 to 7F hex)
> F7 End of Exclusive
>
> According to the MIDI implementation chart of our favorite keyboard.
> Cheers.
> J.F.
>
>
> lancerael a écrit :
> >
> > Hi there,
> >
> > I've recently brought my AN1x out of hibernation and I'm trying to get
> > everything set up. My current computer doesn't have a joystick port so
> > I've had to use a usb to midi cable. It seems to work fine for
> > standard midi in and out but when I try to use the editor to request
> > or dump data, it just doesn't work. Nothing happend on send, and I get
> > a popup saying "Receive Error" when I try to request data.
> >
> > I've used midi-ox to monitor the midi data. When I initialise a bulk
> > dump from the synth the monitor software is able to recieve the
> > following data
> >
> > 000014C5 1 -- F0 Buffer: 55 Bytes System Exclusive
> > SYSX: F0 43 00 5C 10 0E 00 06 00 00 00 3C 48 46 48 48 4B 3C
> > SYSX: 46 46 48 6D 32 6E 70 52 64 73 64 44 4A 61 3C 3C 3C 3C
> > SYSX: 3C 3C 3C 3C 3C 3C 3C 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 28
> > SYSX: F7
> >
> > Does anyone have any idea why AN1xEdit would have these problems to
> > send and recieve? I'm going nuts trying to figure this out!
> >
> > Many thanks,
> > Lance Taylor
> >
> >
>

Hi,

You can get any Yamaha manual from the Yamaha Manual Library.

http://www.yamaha.co.jp/manual/english/

Cheers
Derek

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "lancerael" <lancerael@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Derek,
>
> Thanks for the fast response! The contents of the sysex message are a bit beyond me to be honest. I don't have the manual anymore, my mum had an attic clearout years ago and threw out the "useless empty box" with my manual in it. I'm glad I posted the data.
>
> Someone else on the list has suggested another interface as well, I'll give that a shot. I've just ordered another adapter. In the meantime I have another desktop PC with XP and it has a joystick port - so I'll use that to check that these signals are coming out of the synth correctly in the first place.
>
> Thanks again,
> Lance
>