Thinking of selling my AN1x....someone talk me out of it....fast...
2007-11-23 by Bob S.
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2007-11-23 by Bob S.
Just sold my MS2000R and am thinking of selling my AN1x too.... having second thoughts.....maybe selling because I just seem to have to much in overlapping synth sound & capability with my hardware synths .....especially in the VA area... Maybe someone can talk me out of it....and maybe sell a different one....what will I lose if I sell my AN1x.... Also have these VA synths: Waldorf microQ, Quasimidi PolyMorph, Yamaha CS6x with PLG-AN card & Virus B. Bob El Segundo, CA
2007-11-24 by Jon
--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Bob S." <tttsystems@...> wrote: > > Just sold my MS2000R and am thinking of selling my AN1x too.... > having second thoughts.....maybe selling because I just seem to have to > much in overlapping synth sound & capability with my hardware synths > .....especially in the VA area... > > Maybe someone can talk me out of it....and maybe sell a different > one....what will I lose if I sell my AN1x.... > > Also have these VA synths: Waldorf microQ, Quasimidi PolyMorph, Yamaha > CS6x with PLG-AN card & Virus B. > > Bob > El Segundo, CA > I still enjoy my AN1x, but a plethora of software synths have seen it used less often so I understand why you might want to sell. What's the going price for an AN1x these days? $350 or lower? Quite honestly, I can see parting with the microQ, but it was my least favorite of the Waldorf synths (hated to sell off my Microwave II.) I think there is something of a small collectors market for the Quasimidi synths - you might want to price out the going rates. I always liked the CS6x and wish I could have played one more often. I understand using the PLG150-AN card in combination with the CS6x it is a trade off in ease of use vs. cost, but you're bases are covered at the very least. I'd keep the Virus B because they sound so very nice - doubt you would have trouble finding a buyer! Not much help - just food for thought.
2007-11-24 by Bob S.
Thank you Jon for those words & insight....I see you have played with many hardware synths (as I). I myself have not be converted to software synths....I seem to stumble creatively when I am in front of a PC instead of in front of a hardware synth. And I can't seem to get the reliability out of a PC that I get out of the hardware synths... I mentioned only my VA synths.....I still am holding on to some non-VAs like Kawai K5000S, Korg Wavestation, Waldorf XT, Technics WSA1, Emu Morpheus/Ultra Proteus, Yamaha EX5r, Yamaha TG77, Roland JP6, Korg Karma, Roland MC505, Ensoniq VFX, Emu XL-7/XL1 series and a couple of samplers. So I probably have enough to keep me in sound through retirement.....but maybe I'll keep the AN1x now. The MS2000R I just sold can easily be replaced later with maybe a Korg Radius...... I still harbor regrets on selling the Fizmo earlier this year but I felt the Waldorf XT could cover some of the wavetable generation..... Bob El Segundo, CA
----- Original Message ----- From: Jon To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 10:28 PM Subject: [AN1x] Re: Thinking of selling my AN1x....someone talk me out of it....fast... --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Bob S." <tttsystems@...> wrote: > > Just sold my MS2000R and am thinking of selling my AN1x too.... > having second thoughts.....maybe selling because I just seem to have to > much in overlapping synth sound & capability with my hardware synths > .....especially in the VA area... > > Maybe someone can talk me out of it....and maybe sell a different > one....what will I lose if I sell my AN1x.... > > Also have these VA synths: Waldorf microQ, Quasimidi PolyMorph, Yamaha > CS6x with PLG-AN card & Virus B. > > Bob > El Segundo, CA > I still enjoy my AN1x, but a plethora of software synths have seen it used less often so I understand why you might want to sell. What's the going price for an AN1x these days? $350 or lower? Quite honestly, I can see parting with the microQ, but it was my least favorite of the Waldorf synths (hated to sell off my Microwave II.) I think there is something of a small collectors market for the Quasimidi synths - you might want to price out the going rates. I always liked the CS6x and wish I could have played one more often. I understand using the PLG150-AN card in combination with the CS6x it is a trade off in ease of use vs. cost, but you're bases are covered at the very least. I'd keep the Virus B because they sound so very nice - doubt you would have trouble finding a buyer! Not much help - just food for thought. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2007-11-24 by Jeff
Hello Bob ! you have a lot of gear... nice! I suppose thet you were looking after some kind of sound and that, despite all these instruments, you've never found.. Analog synths (virtual or not) have their own limits, as purely digital instruments have their own too. The AN1x is, on my opinion, a very good "analog" synth for a cheap price, the main issue is that it is less "user friendly" than, say, a Virus or a Nord Lead with one knob per function. But all are aimed at the same thing: emulate the early real analog synths, with more reliability and often more voices. Remember : the famous Prophet 5 has only a 5 note poliphony, and, for MIDI equipped ones , on one channel only. If you're looking for one of those of these famed ancestors? A german company (Creamware) produces decent Prophet, Minimoog or ARP 2600 "virtual analog clones". I never heard the new Dave Smith "Prophet", much more expensive, but with a keyboard. Assuming that the "real things" are rare, expensive, not very reliable, and the parts are now sometimes hard to find (dedicated Curtis or SSM ICs extensively used in the early polyphonic synths). You find that you always get "the same sounds"? One suggestion : try to "mix" different types. I have 2 "virtual analog" synths: yes, an AN1x, and a Red Sound Elevata . This one has a very different sound range, more "raw" and aggressive, but it's "analog" too. 2 interesting things: aux inputs send to the internal VCF-VCA mixed with its own VCOs , those being with a continuously variable waveform , from square to saw. And some digital synths (sorry!), a Casio CZ, a Kawa\ufffd K1 and an Evolution EVS1. The CZ has 3 complex 8 segment envelope generators, not a very common feature, that can give interesting results impossible to get with another synth. But once programmed, no real time change possible, except mod wheel and pitch bend as usual. The Kawa\ufffd K1 uses wavetable synthesis (and not "samples" as often told: a single period of a waveform is not really a sample, even if it is, electronically speaking, the same) . The 4 oscillators have their own delayed ADSR with a joystick for real time mix. No filter at all... but i can send its outputs to the external inputs of the Red Sound then adding filtering to the Kawa\ufffd and 4 more oscillators(!) to the Red Sound, with something else than the classic square, saw and sine. The EVS1 uses different synthesis modes (FM, additive, phase distorsion..) but is not very user friendly, to be polite, for programming (dedicated DOS or Atari software!) . But some parameters can be changed in real time using external MIDI controllers such as , for example, the knobs of an AN1x.... What's missing me ? Time to program sounds, time to play, and only 2 hands to tweak all these devices... Cheers ! J.F. Bob S. a \ufffdcrit :
>Just sold my MS2000R and am thinking of selling my AN1x too.... >having second thoughts.....maybe selling because I just seem to have to >much in overlapping synth sound & capability with my hardware synths >.....especially in the VA area... > >Maybe someone can talk me out of it....and maybe sell a different >one....what will I lose if I sell my AN1x.... > >Also have these VA synths: Waldorf microQ, Quasimidi PolyMorph, Yamaha >CS6x with PLG-AN card & Virus B. > >Bob >El Segundo, CA > > > > >
2007-11-24 by Jon
--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Bob S." <tttsystems@...> wrote: > > Thank you Jon for those words & insight....I see you have played with many hardware synths (as I). ...which probably betrays our age ;-) > I myself have not be converted to software synths....I seem to stumble creatively when I am in front of a PC instead of in front of a hardware synth. And I can't seem to get the reliability out of a PC that I get out of the hardware synths... > I've been using a Korg microKONTROL which sits immediately in front of me on my desktop - this has gone a long way to making the softynths more accessible. That said, there is no comparison to actually 'playing' the AN1x on proper sized keys. This past year I've added a NI Kore controller which makes the NI suite so much more accessible and 'tweakable'. > I mentioned only my VA synths.....I still am holding on to some non-VAs like Kawai K5000S, Korg Wavestation, Waldorf XT, Technics WSA1, Emu Morpheus/Ultra Proteus, Yamaha EX5r, Yamaha TG77, Roland JP6, Korg Karma, Roland MC505, Ensoniq VFX, Emu XL-7/XL1 series and a couple of samplers. So I probably have enough to keep me in sound through retirement.....but maybe I'll keep the AN1x now. The MS2000R I just sold can easily be replaced later with maybe a Korg Radius...... > Darn! You have nice synths. You're set-up is so similar to UGO's (Chris S.) ... who's now selling his own softsynths. I sold my Wavestation years ago, and my T3, now I've replaced them with the Korg Legacy Collection. Loved the SY77, i.e. TG77, and the VFX (I'm still tempted to buy one of those.) The WSA1 is a real cult item - only played UGO's once or twice a couple years back...The Morpheus was cool - use to own an Emax II and a Proteus 3. I think I have na E-mu Sample CD containing all the Proteus presets! hahaha > I still harbor regrets on selling the Fizmo earlier this year but I felt the Waldorf XT could cover some of the wavetable generation..... > No doubt, but the FIZMO is kind of a collectors item too now. Remember when they were on blowout at SamAsh? Ever see a FIZMO rackmount? > Bob > El Segundo, CA > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jon > To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 10:28 PM > Subject: [AN1x] Re: Thinking of selling my AN1x....someone talk me out of it....fast... > > > --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Bob S." <tttsystems@> wrote: > > > > Just sold my MS2000R and am thinking of selling my AN1x too.... > > having second thoughts.....maybe selling because I just seem to have to > > much in overlapping synth sound & capability with my hardware synths > > .....especially in the VA area... > > > > Maybe someone can talk me out of it....and maybe sell a different > > one....what will I lose if I sell my AN1x.... > > > > Also have these VA synths: Waldorf microQ, Quasimidi PolyMorph, Yamaha > > CS6x with PLG-AN card & Virus B. > > > > Bob > > El Segundo, CA > > > > I still enjoy my AN1x, but a plethora of software synths have seen it used less often so I > understand why you might want to sell. What's the going price for an AN1x these days? > $350 or lower? > > Quite honestly, I can see parting with the microQ, but it was my least favorite of the > Waldorf synths (hated to sell off my Microwave II.) > > I think there is something of a small collectors market for the Quasimidi synths - you > might want to price out the going rates. > > I always liked the CS6x and wish I could have played one more often. I understand using > the PLG150-AN card in combination with the CS6x it is a trade off in ease of use vs. cost, > but you're bases are covered at the very least. I'd keep the Virus B because they sound so
> very nice - doubt you would have trouble finding a buyer! > > Not much help - just food for thought. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
2007-11-24 by Peter Korsten
Jon schreef: > No doubt, but the FIZMO is kind of a collectors item too now. Remember when they were > on blowout at SamAsh? Ever see a FIZMO rackmount? I've played on a Fizmo (keyboard) once, and since each and every preset sounded like rubbish, I decided it wasn't for me. Of course, a synth is more than its presets, but they could at least have tried to put some sounds in there that would make me want to buy it. - Peter
2007-11-24 by Desdinova
On Nov 24, 2007 11:13 AM, Peter Korsten <peter@...> wrote: <Snip> > Of course, a synth is more than its presets, but they could at least > have tried to put some sounds in there that would make me want to buy it. There's ensoniq for you. It only took them, what, ten years before they bothered fixing the Doomed-To-Fail keyboard PC board connector that they used on freaking everything they made. No matter how cranky she gets in cold weather, I still love my EPS, though. ;) > > - Peter Take care, des
2007-11-24 by Jeff
Peter Korsten a \ufffdcrit : >Jon schreef: > > > >>No doubt, but the FIZMO is kind of a collectors item too now. Remember when they were >>on blowout at SamAsh? Ever see a FIZMO rackmount? >> >> > >I've played on a Fizmo (keyboard) once, and since each and every preset >sounded like rubbish, I decided it wasn't for me. > >Of course, a synth is more than its presets, but they could at least >have tried to put some sounds in there that would make me want to buy it. > >- Peter > > > That is the same on most synths, even expensive... the preset sounds or the demo jingle are bad or at least un inspiring. Or you have only a few "good" patches lost in a sea of SF noises and traditional instruments "emulations". I suppose it is because they are not made by musicians but by engineers, sometimes maybe for final test purposes*. Or by the marketing departments, the flying saucer, the piano (the what?) and the violin are supposed to be the ultimate selling arguments ;-) If they are made by real musicians ? That's sometimes worse, because you can think that an instrument is dedicated to a special musical style (techno, house, rap ..) . And if you don't like it too much....you leave it in the shop. Cheers J.F. *It was probably the case with my Red Sound , i never heard worse... but you can get much better by yourself. I bought it second hand on internet classified ads; brand new in a shop i surely had choosen anything else!
2007-11-24 by Peter Korsten
Jeff schreef: > Peter Korsten a \ufffdcrit : > >> Of course, a synth is more than its presets, but they could at least >> have tried to put some sounds in there that would make me want to buy it. >> > That is the same on most synths, even expensive... the preset sounds or > the demo jingle are bad or at least un inspiring. Or you have only a few > "good" patches lost in a sea of SF noises and traditional instruments As is pretty much the case with the AN1x. :) > "emulations". I suppose it is because they are not made by musicians but > by engineers, sometimes maybe for final test purposes*. Or by the > marketing departments, the flying saucer, the piano (the what?) and the > violin are supposed to be the ultimate selling arguments ;-) I have to say, though, that the EX5 has some real gems in the presets, including a few that come straight from the AN1x (the EX5 can do two voice AN; the smaller EX7 can do one voice AN). Especially 'EnsembleMix'... lush, stacked and layered strings. That, and preset 10 from the AN1x (Legato) are some of my favourite presets. - Peter