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Thinking of selling my AN1x....someone talk me out of it....fast...

Thinking of selling my AN1x....someone talk me out of it....fast...

2007-11-23 by Bob S.

Just sold my MS2000R and am thinking of selling my AN1x too....
having second thoughts.....maybe selling because I just seem to have to
much in overlapping synth sound & capability with my hardware synths
.....especially in the VA area...

Maybe someone can talk me out of it....and maybe sell a different
one....what will I lose if I sell my AN1x....

Also have these VA synths: Waldorf microQ, Quasimidi PolyMorph, Yamaha
CS6x with PLG-AN card & Virus B.

Bob
El Segundo, CA

Re: Thinking of selling my AN1x....someone talk me out of it....fast...

2007-11-24 by Jon

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Bob S." <tttsystems@...> wrote:
>
> Just sold my MS2000R and am thinking of selling my AN1x too....
> having second thoughts.....maybe selling because I just seem to have to
> much in overlapping synth sound & capability with my hardware synths
> .....especially in the VA area...
> 
> Maybe someone can talk me out of it....and maybe sell a different
> one....what will I lose if I sell my AN1x....
> 
> Also have these VA synths: Waldorf microQ, Quasimidi PolyMorph, Yamaha
> CS6x with PLG-AN card & Virus B.
> 
> Bob
> El Segundo, CA
>

I still enjoy my AN1x, but a plethora of software synths have seen it used less often so I 
understand why you might want to sell. What's the going price for an AN1x these days? 
$350 or lower? 

Quite honestly, I can see parting with the microQ, but it was my least favorite of the 
Waldorf synths (hated to sell off my Microwave II.)

I think there is something of a small collectors market for the Quasimidi synths - you 
might want to price out the going rates. 

I always liked the CS6x and wish I could have played one more often. I understand using 
the PLG150-AN card in combination with the CS6x it is a trade off in ease of use vs. cost, 
but you're bases are covered at the very least. I'd keep the Virus B because they sound so 
very nice - doubt you would have trouble finding a buyer!

Not much help - just food for thought.

Re: [AN1x] Re: Thinking of selling my AN1x....someone talk me out of it....fast...

2007-11-24 by Bob S.

Thank you Jon for those words & insight....I see you have played with many hardware synths (as I).  I myself have not be converted to software synths....I seem to stumble creatively when I am in front of a PC instead of in front of a hardware synth.  And I can't seem to get the reliability out of a PC that I get out of the hardware synths...

I mentioned only my VA synths.....I still am holding on to some non-VAs like Kawai K5000S, Korg Wavestation, Waldorf XT, Technics WSA1, Emu Morpheus/Ultra Proteus, Yamaha EX5r, Yamaha TG77, Roland JP6, Korg Karma, Roland MC505, Ensoniq VFX, Emu XL-7/XL1 series and a couple of samplers.  So I probably have enough to keep me in sound through retirement.....but maybe I'll keep the AN1x now.   The MS2000R I just sold can easily be replaced later with maybe a Korg Radius......

I still harbor regrets on selling the Fizmo earlier this year but I felt the Waldorf XT could cover some of the wavetable generation.....

Bob
El Segundo, CA
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jon 
  To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 10:28 PM
  Subject: [AN1x] Re: Thinking of selling my AN1x....someone talk me out of it....fast...


  --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Bob S." <tttsystems@...> wrote:
  >
  > Just sold my MS2000R and am thinking of selling my AN1x too....
  > having second thoughts.....maybe selling because I just seem to have to
  > much in overlapping synth sound & capability with my hardware synths
  > .....especially in the VA area...
  > 
  > Maybe someone can talk me out of it....and maybe sell a different
  > one....what will I lose if I sell my AN1x....
  > 
  > Also have these VA synths: Waldorf microQ, Quasimidi PolyMorph, Yamaha
  > CS6x with PLG-AN card & Virus B.
  > 
  > Bob
  > El Segundo, CA
  >

  I still enjoy my AN1x, but a plethora of software synths have seen it used less often so I 
  understand why you might want to sell. What's the going price for an AN1x these days? 
  $350 or lower? 

  Quite honestly, I can see parting with the microQ, but it was my least favorite of the 
  Waldorf synths (hated to sell off my Microwave II.)

  I think there is something of a small collectors market for the Quasimidi synths - you 
  might want to price out the going rates. 

  I always liked the CS6x and wish I could have played one more often. I understand using 
  the PLG150-AN card in combination with the CS6x it is a trade off in ease of use vs. cost, 
  but you're bases are covered at the very least. I'd keep the Virus B because they sound so 
  very nice - doubt you would have trouble finding a buyer!

  Not much help - just food for thought. 



   

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Re: [AN1x] Thinking of selling my AN1x....someone talk me out of it....fast...

2007-11-24 by Jeff

Hello Bob !
you have a lot of gear... nice!
I suppose thet you were looking after some kind of sound and that, 
despite all these instruments, you've never found..
Analog synths (virtual or not) have their own limits, as purely digital 
instruments have their own too.
The AN1x is, on my opinion, a very good "analog" synth for a cheap 
price, the main issue is that it is less "user friendly" than, say, a 
Virus or a Nord Lead with one knob per function. But all are aimed at 
the same thing: emulate the early real analog synths, with more 
reliability and often more voices. Remember : the famous Prophet 5 has 
only a 5 note poliphony, and, for MIDI equipped ones , on one channel only.
If you're looking for one of those of these famed ancestors?
A german company (Creamware) produces decent Prophet, Minimoog or ARP 
2600 "virtual analog clones". I never heard the new Dave Smith 
"Prophet", much more expensive, but with a keyboard. Assuming that the 
"real things" are rare, expensive, not very reliable, and the parts are 
now sometimes hard to find (dedicated Curtis or SSM ICs extensively used 
in the early polyphonic synths).
You find that you always get "the same sounds"?
One suggestion : try to "mix" different types. I have 2 "virtual analog" 
synths: yes, an AN1x, and a Red Sound Elevata . This one has a very 
different sound range, more "raw" and aggressive, but it's "analog" too. 
2 interesting things: aux inputs send to the internal VCF-VCA mixed with 
its own VCOs , those being with a continuously variable waveform , from 
square to saw.
And some digital synths (sorry!), a Casio CZ, a Kawa\ufffd K1 and an 
Evolution EVS1.
The CZ has 3 complex 8 segment envelope generators, not a very common 
feature, that can give interesting results impossible to get with 
another synth. But once programmed, no real time change possible, except 
mod wheel and pitch bend as usual.
The Kawa\ufffd K1 uses wavetable synthesis (and not "samples" as often told: 
a single period of a waveform is not really a sample, even if it is, 
electronically speaking, the same) . The 4 oscillators have their own 
delayed ADSR with a joystick for real time mix. No filter at all... but 
i can send its outputs to the external inputs of the Red Sound then 
adding  filtering to the Kawa\ufffd and 4 more oscillators(!) to the Red 
Sound, with something else than the classic square, saw and sine.
The EVS1 uses different synthesis modes (FM, additive, phase 
distorsion..) but is not very user friendly, to be polite, for 
programming (dedicated DOS or Atari software!) . But some parameters can 
be changed in real time using external MIDI controllers such as , for 
example, the knobs of an AN1x....
What's missing me ? Time to program sounds, time to play, and only 2 
hands to tweak all these devices...
Cheers !
J.F.

Bob S. a \ufffdcrit :
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>Just sold my MS2000R and am thinking of selling my AN1x too....
>having second thoughts.....maybe selling because I just seem to have to
>much in overlapping synth sound & capability with my hardware synths
>.....especially in the VA area...
>
>Maybe someone can talk me out of it....and maybe sell a different
>one....what will I lose if I sell my AN1x....
>
>Also have these VA synths: Waldorf microQ, Quasimidi PolyMorph, Yamaha
>CS6x with PLG-AN card & Virus B.
>
>Bob
>El Segundo, CA
>
>
>
>  
>

[AN1x] Re: Thinking of selling my AN1x....someone talk me out of it....fast...

2007-11-24 by Jon

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Bob S." <tttsystems@...> wrote:
>
> Thank you Jon for those words & insight....I see you have played with many hardware 
synths (as I). 

...which probably betrays our age ;-)


> I myself have not be converted to software synths....I seem to stumble creatively when I 
am in front of a PC instead of in front of a hardware synth.  And I can't seem to get the 
reliability out of a PC that I get out of the hardware synths...
> 

I've been using a Korg microKONTROL which sits immediately in front of me on my 
desktop - this has gone a long way to making the softynths more accessible. That said, 
there is no comparison to actually 'playing' the AN1x on proper sized keys. This past year 
I've added a NI Kore controller which makes the NI suite so much more accessible and 
'tweakable'.

> I mentioned only my VA synths.....I still am holding on to some non-VAs like Kawai 
K5000S, Korg Wavestation, Waldorf XT, Technics WSA1, Emu Morpheus/Ultra Proteus, 
Yamaha EX5r, Yamaha TG77, Roland JP6, Korg Karma, Roland MC505, Ensoniq VFX, Emu 
XL-7/XL1 series and a couple of samplers.  So I probably have enough to keep me in 
sound through retirement.....but maybe I'll keep the AN1x now.   The MS2000R I just sold 
can easily be replaced later with maybe a Korg Radius......
> 

Darn! You have nice synths. You're set-up is so similar to UGO's (Chris S.) ... who's now 
selling his own softsynths. I sold my Wavestation years ago, and my T3, now I've replaced 
them with the Korg Legacy Collection. Loved the SY77, i.e. TG77, and the VFX (I'm still 
tempted to buy one of those.) The WSA1 is a real cult item - only played UGO's once or 
twice a couple years back...The Morpheus was cool - use to own an Emax II and a Proteus 
3. I think I have na E-mu Sample CD containing all the Proteus presets! hahaha

> I still harbor regrets on selling the Fizmo earlier this year but I felt the Waldorf XT could 
cover some of the wavetable generation.....
> 

No doubt, but the FIZMO is kind of a collectors item too now. Remember when they were 
on blowout at SamAsh? Ever see a FIZMO rackmount?

> Bob
> El Segundo, CA
> 
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Jon 
>   To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 10:28 PM
>   Subject: [AN1x] Re: Thinking of selling my AN1x....someone talk me out of it....fast...
> 
> 
>   --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "Bob S." <tttsystems@> wrote:
>   >
>   > Just sold my MS2000R and am thinking of selling my AN1x too....
>   > having second thoughts.....maybe selling because I just seem to have to
>   > much in overlapping synth sound & capability with my hardware synths
>   > .....especially in the VA area...
>   > 
>   > Maybe someone can talk me out of it....and maybe sell a different
>   > one....what will I lose if I sell my AN1x....
>   > 
>   > Also have these VA synths: Waldorf microQ, Quasimidi PolyMorph, Yamaha
>   > CS6x with PLG-AN card & Virus B.
>   > 
>   > Bob
>   > El Segundo, CA
>   >
> 
>   I still enjoy my AN1x, but a plethora of software synths have seen it used less often so I 
>   understand why you might want to sell. What's the going price for an AN1x these days? 
>   $350 or lower? 
> 
>   Quite honestly, I can see parting with the microQ, but it was my least favorite of the 
>   Waldorf synths (hated to sell off my Microwave II.)
> 
>   I think there is something of a small collectors market for the Quasimidi synths - you 
>   might want to price out the going rates. 
> 
>   I always liked the CS6x and wish I could have played one more often. I understand 
using 
>   the PLG150-AN card in combination with the CS6x it is a trade off in ease of use vs. 
cost, 
>   but you're bases are covered at the very least. I'd keep the Virus B because they sound 
so 
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>   very nice - doubt you would have trouble finding a buyer!
> 
>   Not much help - just food for thought. 
> 
> 
> 
>    
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Re: [AN1x] Re: Thinking of selling my AN1x....someone talk me out of it....fast...

2007-11-24 by Peter Korsten

Jon schreef:

> No doubt, but the FIZMO is kind of a collectors item too now. Remember when they were 
> on blowout at SamAsh? Ever see a FIZMO rackmount?

I've played on a Fizmo (keyboard) once, and since each and every preset 
sounded like rubbish, I decided it wasn't for me.

Of course, a synth is more than its presets, but they could at least 
have tried to put some sounds in there that would make me want to buy it.

- Peter

Re: [AN1x] Re: Thinking of selling my AN1x....someone talk me out of it....fast...

2007-11-24 by Desdinova

On Nov 24, 2007 11:13 AM, Peter Korsten <peter@...> wrote:
<Snip>
> Of course, a synth is more than its presets, but they could at least
> have tried to put some sounds in there that would make me want to buy it.

There's ensoniq for you.  It only took them, what, ten years before
they bothered fixing the Doomed-To-Fail keyboard PC board connector
that they used on freaking everything they made.
No matter how cranky she gets in cold weather, I still love my EPS, though.  ;)

>
> - Peter

Take care,
des

Re: [AN1x] Re: Thinking of selling my AN1x....someone talk me out of it....fast...

2007-11-24 by Jeff

Peter Korsten a \ufffdcrit :

>Jon schreef:
>
>  
>
>>No doubt, but the FIZMO is kind of a collectors item too now. Remember when they were 
>>on blowout at SamAsh? Ever see a FIZMO rackmount?
>>    
>>
>
>I've played on a Fizmo (keyboard) once, and since each and every preset 
>sounded like rubbish, I decided it wasn't for me.
>
>Of course, a synth is more than its presets, but they could at least 
>have tried to put some sounds in there that would make me want to buy it.
>
>- Peter
>
>  
>
That is the same on most synths, even expensive... the preset sounds or 
the demo jingle are bad or at least un inspiring. Or you have only a few 
"good" patches lost in a sea of SF noises and traditional instruments 
"emulations". I suppose it is because they are not made by musicians but 
by engineers, sometimes maybe for final test purposes*. Or by the 
marketing departments, the flying saucer, the piano (the what?) and the 
violin are supposed to be the ultimate selling arguments ;-)
If they are made by real musicians ? That's sometimes worse, because you 
can think that an instrument is dedicated to a special musical style 
(techno, house, rap ..) . And if you don't like it too much....you leave 
it in the shop.
Cheers
J.F.
*It was probably the case with my Red Sound , i never heard worse... but 
you can get much better by yourself. I bought it second hand on internet 
classified ads; brand new in a shop i surely had choosen anything else!

Re: [AN1x] Re: Thinking of selling my AN1x....someone talk me out of it....fast...

2007-11-24 by Peter Korsten

Jeff schreef:

> Peter Korsten a \ufffdcrit :
> 
>> Of course, a synth is more than its presets, but they could at least 
>> have tried to put some sounds in there that would make me want to buy it.
>>
> That is the same on most synths, even expensive... the preset sounds or 
> the demo jingle are bad or at least un inspiring. Or you have only a few 
> "good" patches lost in a sea of SF noises and traditional instruments 

As is pretty much the case with the AN1x. :)

> "emulations". I suppose it is because they are not made by musicians but 
> by engineers, sometimes maybe for final test purposes*. Or by the 
> marketing departments, the flying saucer, the piano (the what?) and the 
> violin are supposed to be the ultimate selling arguments ;-)

I have to say, though, that the EX5 has some real gems in the presets, 
including a few that come straight from the AN1x (the EX5 can do two 
voice AN; the smaller EX7 can do one voice AN). Especially 
'EnsembleMix'... lush, stacked and layered strings.

That, and preset 10 from the AN1x (Legato) are some of my favourite presets.

- Peter

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