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Does anyone know how to make a roland tr-707 work with Cubase vst 3.7 ?
I want to make a drumgroove in cubase rather than user the drummachine's
own sequencer.
I think i have done all that was neccesary, but i can't get it to work.
I have connected my PC's midi-out to my an1x's midi-in, PC's midi-in to
an1x's midi-out, an1x's midi-through to tr-707's midi-in.
Then set the tr-707's midichannel to 10, then set the an1x's Tx
(transmit?) Ch(annel)
to 10 also, and then the an1x's Rx (receive?) Ch(annel) to 10 also, then
i set Local off on my an1x so i could be sure i could hear the
drummachine. (if i use the 707's own sequencer there is sound coming
out, so it's not the volume settings i have overlooked ;)
Then i set the tr-707 to OMNI off and the 707's sync-mode to slave.
The 707 should now respond to the two octaves below C from my an1x,
but it doesn't work.
What am i doing wrong?
If anyone knows something i'd be glad to hear it.
Thanks,
Joel

> From: joel <mango@...>
>
> I have connected my PC's midi-out to my an1x's midi-in, PC's midi-in to
> an1x's midi-out, an1x's midi-through to tr-707's midi-in.
> Then set the tr-707's midichannel to 10, then set the an1x's Tx
> (transmit?) Ch(annel)
> to 10 also, and then the an1x's Rx (receive?) Ch(annel) to 10 also, then
> i set Local off on my an1x so i could be sure i could hear the
> drummachine. (if i use the 707's own sequencer there is sound coming
> out, so it's not the volume settings i have overlooked ;)

Nope, if something comes from the PC's MIDI out, you'll hear both
your AN1x and your 707. Set the AN1x to different receive channals
(for both scenes) than the 707.

> Then i set the tr-707 to OMNI off and the 707's sync-mode to slave.
> The 707 should now respond to the two octaves below C from my an1x,
> but it doesn't work.
> What am i doing wrong?

You probably don't have the PC echo MIDI signals from its in to
its out.

Try connecting the MIDI out of the AN1x to the MIDI in of the 707.
If you still don't hear anything, you have a problem.

- Peter

> Try connecting the MIDI out of the AN1x to the MIDI in of the 707.
> If you still don't hear anything, you have a problem.

Allright, i think i have a problem then... :)
connected the an1x midi-out to the tr-707's midi-in,
set midichannel of the tr-707 to 10, set an1x Tx Ch to 10,
result: - no sound when i hit any of the an1x's keys. : ---- (

> From: joel <mango@...>
>
> Allright, i think i have a problem then... :)
> connected the an1x midi-out to the tr-707's midi-in,
> set midichannel of the tr-707 to 10, set an1x Tx Ch to 10,
> result: - no sound when i hit any of the an1x's keys. : ---- (

And what happens if you set the 707 to Omni On?

- Peter

joel wrote:

>
> From: joel <mango@...>
>
> Does anyone know how to make a roland tr-707 work with Cubase vst 3.7 ?
> I want to make a drumgroove in cubase rather than user the drummachine's
> own sequencer.
> I think i have done all that was neccesary, but i can't get it to work.
> I have connected my PC's midi-out to my an1x's midi-in, PC's midi-in to
> an1x's midi-out, an1x's midi-through to tr-707's midi-in.

That sounds right.

> Then set the tr-707's midichannel to 10, then set the an1x's Tx
> (transmit?) Ch(annel)
> to 10 also,

That also sounds right.

and then the an1x's Rx (receive?) Ch(annel) to 10 also, then

> i set Local off on my an1x so i could be sure i could hear the
> drummachine.

Local Off should be okay too. Why do you set the AN1x Receive Channel to
10? You're not controlling the AN1x from the TR707 are you?
Regardless, it's still a valid setup.

(if i use the 707's own sequencer there is sound coming

> out, so it's not the volume settings i have overlooked ;)
> Then i set the tr-707 to OMNI off and the 707's sync-mode to slave.

You're generating Sync from Cubase correct? The AN1x does NOT generate
any timing protocol such as MIDI Clock - it only responds to MIDI Clock.

> The 707 should now respond to the two octaves below C from my an1x,
> but it doesn't work.
> What am i doing wrong?
> If anyone knows something i'd be glad to hear it.
>

Here's what I'd do: Take the PC out of the set-up for awhile. 1) Hook
the MIDI Out of your AN1x to the MIDI In of your 707; then hook the MIDI
Out of your 707 to the MIDI In of your AN1x. Set the AN1x to Transmit
Ch 10 - turn local off - and set the 707 to Receive on Channel 10.

Once that works I'd set the 707 to Transmit on Ch 10 and the AN1x to
Receive on Ch 10 (still with Local Off on the AN1x.) You should be able
to trigger the AN1x from the 707 and vice versa. Once you have this
simple set-up working THAN reintroduce Cubase. Again, if it were me,
I'd set-up the 707 to Rcv on Ch 10 and the AN1x on another Ch. With
Local Off on the AN1x, I'd use Cubase to select which Instrument will
receive the MIDI Output of your PC. With the 707 attached to your MIDI
Thru on the AN1x this should not be a problem.

BTW - Like is incomplete with a Multi-port MIDI Interface. Even a 2-in
2-out deal is nicer than a 1-in 1-out box. I'd suggest keeping your
eyes on the 2nd hand market for a deal. You will never regret it!

Jon


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>

Thanks for the suggestions, i think i've found another problem too though,
it's with the ways the keys are mappable (and possible 'wrongly' mapped) on
the tr-707, i'll try to get into that next.

> BTW - Like is incomplete with a Multi-port MIDI Interface. Even a 2-in
> 2-out deal is nicer than a 1-in 1-out box. I'd suggest keeping your
> eyes on the 2nd hand market for a deal. You will never regret it!
>

I've always wondered why a two (or even more) in and out midi"box" is
useful....
you have 32 channels then, right? (2x 16) it would be nice if Cubase could
read 32 channels, or even 64 or 128 ;) doesn't matter to me.. but it can't,
can it?
I can't see any other benefits from a 2-in 2-out midi"box", but i may just be
a little stupid with this. =)

Thanks,
Joel

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joel wrote:

>
> From: joel <mango@...>
>
> >
>
> Thanks for the suggestions, i think i've found another problem too though,
> it's with the ways the keys are mappable (and possible 'wrongly' mapped) on
> the tr-707, i'll try to get into that next.
>

??????

> > BTW - Like is incomplete with a Multi-port MIDI Interface. Even a 2-in
> > 2-out deal is nicer than a 1-in 1-out box. I'd suggest keeping your
> > eyes on the 2nd hand market for a deal. You will never regret it!
> >
>
> I've always wondered why a two (or even more) in and out midi"box" is
> useful....
> you have 32 channels then, right? (2x 16) it would be nice if Cubase could
> read 32 channels, or even 64 or 128 ;) doesn't matter to me.. but it can't,
> can it?

Yes, it can on a multi-port MIDI Interface. Example: I have a 2-In
6-Out Opcode MIDI Interface. My AN1x is on one port where I can access
both of its two available MIDI Channels (as you already know the AN1x is
bi-timbral not multi-timbral.) My ASR-X Pro is on the other port where
I can access all 16 MIDI Channels simultaneously (the X is a
multi-timbral box.) This gives me 18 concurrent MIDI Channels! Say you
had four multi-timbral synths/samplers - you could address all 16
available MIDI Channels on each box with a 4x4 Interface. That's quite
a lot of firepower ;-) I'm not familiar with Windows version of Cubase
but this is a perfectly normal set-up in a Mac. I've used Vision for
years, I'm currently running a Cubase v4 demo and I'm about to install a
Logic Audio demo. Each of them supports this functionality.

Each separate port on a multi-port MIDI Interface can access 16 channels
each so an 8x8 MIDI Interface can provide 128 MIDI Channels!!! I use to
have one before I downsized my 'rig' and it's a nice item when you get
beyond two MIDI devices. I'm thinking of unloading my old 2x6 for a
MOTU MIDI Express - the one with both Serial and USB ports. Now I don't
believe USB MIDI Interfaces are quite there yet - too many problems
handling SysEx data - but I also think its a matter of time before the
OS level USB drivers along with device specific drivers are improved
upon. It's no mLAN but it will USB will probably stabilize before mLAN
is widely adopted.

> I can't see any other benefits from a 2-in 2-out midi"box", but i may just be
> a little stupid with this. =)
>

Hope this helps.

Jon

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