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I don't know if this is common knowledge or not, but according to yamaha tech support the 
chip is no longer available. I recall someone mentioning 'burning' them. Is that possible? 
Legal? Expensive?

Thought I would throw that out there. I'm at version 1.02, I don't know what the difference 
is...but I figure it's more than the .02 makes me think it is, haha...

erroneusnickname9876 a \ufffdcrit :

>I don't know if this is common knowledge or not, but according to yamaha tech support the 
>chip is no longer available. I recall someone mentioning 'burning' them. Is that possible?
>
Yes !
 you must have access to an EPROM programmer (something plugged behind a 
PC or a Mac with the related software) and a blank EPROM of the same 
type than the AN1X one (pinout, size and access time) . Assuming you 
have both , there are 2 possible ways :
copy an EPROM with the good OS inside or,
with the same equipment, dump the OS from the Yamaha EPROM into a JEDEC 
or binary format file, load it into the computer and "burn" a new 
EPROM.. Or 10!
The second is more convenient for a collective use because the file 
could be shared by a lot of people, even if they can't copy an EEPROM 
loaded with the last O.S. But some EPROMS can be protected : you can 
copy them, but not dump the whole content into a file.

>Legal?
>
It depends on the country but in theory the answer is no in most cases. 
But as Yamaha has stopped its production i don't think they could be 
interested in some lawsuit. For old cars or motorcycles some people are 
re-manufacturing spare parts unavailable from the original manufacturer 
without any legal problem.

> Expensive?
>  
>
The EPROM chip itself not , but the programmer can be expensive for a 
hobbyist.... Not the hardware which is relatively "basic" but without 
software .... sometimes it is possible to find one on the second hand 
market, some electronics DIY magazines have certainly issued their own. 
But it is not very common.... and to use it once ...

>Thought I would throw that out there. I'm at version 1.02, I don't know what the difference 
>is...but I figure it's more than the .02 makes me think it is, haha...
>  
>
Personnaly i don't know what's the soft rev. inside mine, as long as it 
works .....
Don't expect a monster upgrade: maybe some minor changes mostly related 
to the MIDI interface, some bugs found when you try to use your synth 
with another special one or some exotic soundcard . 99% of the owners 
could not even notice it ! Yamaha is a huge company and its products are 
extensively tested before entering the market. With small companies the 
first customers often "end" the tests, and the first revisions are often 
awfully unreliable. Some famous exemples : the first Prophet 5, the 
first Linn drums ... and lots of others.
Has someone tried to compare accurately the last O.S. to a previous 
revison ? Results ?
Cheers
J.F.
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If its possible try and contact a Yamaha supplier from a different country. I got my v1.04 chip about a month ago from Yamaha UK with very little hassle. They may post overseas for a little extra.

Worth a try maybe?

Rob.

Jeff <jf.serviere@...> wrote:                                  erroneusnickname9876 a écrit :
 
 >I don't know if this is common knowledge or not, but according to yamaha tech support the 
 >chip is no longer available. I recall someone mentioning 'burning' them. Is that possible?
 >
 Yes !
  you must have access to an EPROM programmer (something plugged behind a 
 PC or a Mac with the related software) and a blank EPROM of the same 
 type than the AN1X one (pinout, size and access time) . Assuming you 
 have both , there are 2 possible ways :
 copy an EPROM with the good OS inside or,
 with the same equipment, dump the OS from the Yamaha EPROM into a JEDEC 
 or binary format file, load it into the computer and "burn" a new 
 EPROM.. Or 10!
 The second is more convenient for a collective use because the file 
 could be shared by a lot of people, even if they can't copy an EEPROM 
 loaded with the last O.S. But some EPROMS can be protected : you can 
 copy them, but not dump the whole content into a file.
 
 >Legal?
 >
 It depends on the country but in theory the answer is no in most cases. 
 But as Yamaha has stopped its production i don't think they could be 
 interested in some lawsuit. For old cars or motorcycles some people are 
 re-manufacturing spare parts unavailable from the original manufacturer 
 without any legal problem.
 
 > Expensive?
 >  
 >
 The EPROM chip itself not , but the programmer can be expensive for a 
 hobbyist.... Not the hardware which is relatively "basic" but without 
 software .... sometimes it is possible to find one on the second hand 
 market, some electronics DIY magazines have certainly issued their own. 
 But it is not very common.... and to use it once ...
 
 >Thought I would throw that out there. I'm at version 1.02, I don't know what the difference 
 >is...but I figure it's more than the .02 makes me think it is, haha...
 >  
 >
 Personnaly i don't know what's the soft rev. inside mine, as long as it 
 works .....
 Don't expect a monster upgrade: maybe some minor changes mostly related 
 to the MIDI interface, some bugs found when you try to use your synth 
 with another special one or some exotic soundcard . 99% of the owners 
 could not even notice it ! Yamaha is a huge company and its products are 
 extensively tested before entering the market. With small companies the 
 first customers often "end" the tests, and the first revisions are often 
 awfully unreliable. Some famous exemples : the first Prophet 5, the 
 first Linn drums ... and lots of others.
 Has someone tried to compare accurately the last O.S. to a previous 
 revison ? Results ?
 Cheers
 J.F.
 .
 
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Is there one or 2.....I have a burner & some PROMS also.....

Bob
El Segundo, CA

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  To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 6:05 PM
  Subject: Re: [AN1x] OS 1.04 no long made...


  Greetings:

  A 27C800 / 27V800 seems to be the animal. NOT a 27C801, etc.

  Best regards;

  Peter



   

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Greetings:

It is a single 42Pin DIP EPROM -- 27C800.  Getting hard to find.  
Frequently available on E-Bay.

Best regards;

Peter

OK, thanks Peter......I just bought 2 blank ones.....

Bob
El Segundo, CA

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  Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 7:07 PM
  Subject: Re: [AN1x] OS 1.04 no long made...


  Greetings:

  It is a single 42Pin DIP EPROM -- 27C800. Getting hard to find. 
  Frequently available on E-Bay.

  Best regards;

  Peter



   

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What is extremely annoying with Yamaha is that they have 
two complete and unfair separate lines of support in EU and USA 

free in USA charge in EU 
i don't mind charge but for  upgrades not for bug fixes ! 
when i asked in the past for new OS for EX5 and AN1X they ask a fortune :-( 
so lucky u .. maybe there is a 3rd line in UK ;-) 

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If its possible try and contact a Yamaha supplier from a different country. 
I got my v1.04 chip about a month ago from Yamaha UK with very little hassle.
They may post overseas for a little extra. Worth a try maybe?

Rob.

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> What is extremely annoying with Yamaha is that they have 
> two complete and unfair separate lines of support in EU and USA 
> 
> free in USA charge in EU 
> i don't mind charge but for  upgrades not for bug fixes ! 
> when i asked in the past for new OS for EX5 and AN1X they ask a fortune :-( 
> so lucky u .. maybe there is a 3rd line in UK ;-) 


No, the OS Upgrade was free under warranty - otherwise it cost $40 in the US.


Jon

Hello Bob. 
Could you make one 1.04 EPROM from me too? Is it possible? 

Thank you very much.

Ondrash

Hi!

Some time ago we wrote about burning our chips by ourself.
In the meantime I got these chips in PLCC44 package and
Designed a little adapter PCB so that it fits the DIP42 socket.
I still have to etch these PCB but prior to that I would need
The binary or intelhex file for the OS 1.04.

Can anyone with an Eprommer please read the chip and send
Me the binary or intelhex file?

Ciao
Peter


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Sorry I posted on the OS 1.04 so long ago and failed to respond. Anyways, I'm curious as to if 
I will even notice a difference from 1.02 to 1.04. I just bought my an1x, so I'm not sure what 
bugs it may have.

Also, is there any way we can pull together here and try to make some 1.04 duplicates? 
Seems like several of us could certainly use them.

Thanks guys.

erroneusnickname9876 schreef:

> Sorry I posted on the OS 1.04 so long ago and failed to respond. Anyways, I'm curious as to if 
> I will even notice a difference from 1.02 to 1.04. I just bought my an1x, so I'm not sure what 
> bugs it may have.

Well, are you experiencing any problems? Mine is version 1.02, and only 
one it started acting really strange. After a factory reset, the 
problems were gone (as were my voices, although I'd made a backup).

> Also, is there any way we can pull together here and try to make some 1.04 duplicates? 
> Seems like several of us could certainly use them.

I wouldn't mind, just to be sure. On the other hand, my AN1x works just 
fine.

- Peter

Hi all,

On Sat, March 24, 2007 20:10, erroneusnickname9876 wrote:

> Also, is there any way we can pull together here and try to make some 1.04
> duplicates?
> Seems like several of us could certainly use them.

Because of the discussion here recently, I decided to contact Yamaha (in
the Netherlands) to see if 1.04 was still available. I have 1.02 in my
AN1x, and don't have any problems with that version at all. However, I
thought it wouldn't hurt to get 1.04 anyway. They referred me to one of
their repair centers, and they ordered 1.04 for me. It was around 31
euro's including shipping, and I received it last week. I haven't had time
to install it yet.

So, contrary to other messages here, it *is* still available, and I would
be careful with copying it. It is after all copyrighted.

With kind regards,
Ben

Hi all,

On 25 Mar 2007, at 18:26, I wrote:

> Because of the discussion here recently, I decided to contact  
> Yamaha (in
> the Netherlands) to see if 1.04 was still available. I have 1.02 in my
> AN1x, and don't have any problems with that version at all. However, I
> thought it wouldn't hurt to get 1.04 anyway. They referred me to  
> one of
> their repair centers, and they ordered 1.04 for me. It was around 31
> euro's including shipping, and I received it last week. I haven't  
> had time
> to install it yet.

Sorry, but there's a problem. I just installed it, and they sent me  
V1.02... I've sent off an e-mail to the Yamaha repair center, and  
I'll let you know what happens.

With kind regards,
Ben

I have also 1.02 and thinking of upgrading, is the timing of the step 
seq. improved with 1.04?

vonhaulshoven a \ufffdcrit :

>I have also 1.02 and thinking of upgrading, is the timing of the step 
>seq. improved with 1.04?
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A few months ago some of us were trying to get the last software 
revision to be able to "burn" an EPROM , as Yamaha does no longer 
support the AN1x  ....


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Is anyone realy sure that it’s the AN1X sequencer that has sloppy timing and not deficiency’s when recording MIDI in general? I’ve found that XP has real problems when it comes to external MIDI gear. I’ve also found the AN1X sequencer to be almost as tight as my Quasimidi gear with a simple sequence but if you record a very busy sequence like on the Plastik preset for example the recorded notes do seem a little all over the place but this could well be a result of having all that info down the same MIDI cable at once, apparently MIDI can be that crap!  

  If anyone uses a Mac or better still an Atari ST do they get the same results?



Rob.
 
  

vonhaulshoven <vonhaulshoven@...> wrote:                                  I have also 1.02 and thinking of upgrading, is the timing of the step 
 seq. improved with 1.04?
 
 
     
                       

       
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