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Bought Used AN1x! Having Issues. Help!

2007-02-19 by erroneusnickname9876

I just bought a used AN1x. Got a good deal on it but having some issues. The scene lights 
will not come on. I reset it to factory and it's still like that. I used to have a cs1x and was 
under the impression that you just push the button to turn them on. Anyone else even have 
this problem? Also, I'm looking to update the software. I see there's a physical chip available? 
What does this do that a sysex update can't? Are they still for sale? Will it fix my scene 
problem?

I can't find os updates ANYWHERE. Any ideas?

Thanks!

Re: [AN1x] Bought Used AN1x! Having Issues. Help!

2007-02-19 by Jeff

Hello !

>The scene lights will not come on.
>
Do you have other lazy LEDs on your synth ? No?
Go to a 2 scene patch like the factory "Great Morph"( nr 74) , move the 
mod wheel and listen.... you must hear a progressive changing sound . 
Then push only one "scene" button , you must hear only one of the 
sounds, try the other one and finally push both buttons together . If 
all is OK, you'll have to check the connectors inside the AN1X , unplug 
and plug them carefully . Of course the connectors related to the 
control panel . On the worst case you will have to change the LEDs but 
it's rather strange that both fail at the same time....
Concerning the "scene" LEDs they are sometimes "flashing" when you play 
but without any effect on sound or anything else.

>I used to have a cs1x and was under the impression that you just push the button to turn them on.
>
It's the same on AN1X. When you load a patch one or both "scene" LEDs 
are lit depending on the patch. Pushing a "scene" button will enter in 
"edit" mode (see on the display).
The software revision has nothing to do with the control panel and (as 
far as i know) is still available as an EPROM by Yamaha customer service...
@+
J.F.

erroneusnickname9876 a \ufffdcrit :

>I just bought a used AN1x. Got a good deal on it but having some issues. The scene lights 
>will not come on. I reset it to factory and it's still like that. I used to have a cs1x and was 
>under the impression that you just push the button to turn them on. Anyone else even have 
>this problem? Also, I'm looking to update the software. I see there's a physical chip available? 
>What does this do that a sysex update can't? Are they still for sale? Will it fix my scene 
>problem?
>
>I can't find os updates ANYWHERE. Any ideas?
>
>Thanks!
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AN1x] Bought Used AN1x! Having Issues. Help!

2007-02-20 by jesse meyer

Actually, no matter what i do with the scene buttons,
they don't change the sound. It's not so much that
they don't light up. It's that they don't work. The
scene button does nothing, seperate or together. Also,
the "Seq/Edit Setup" row in the matrix shows the
parameters for the "utility Setup."

Very strange things to have broken...Any ideas?






--- Jeff <jf.serviere@...> wrote:

> Hello !
> 
> >The scene lights will not come on.
> >
> Do you have other lazy LEDs on your synth ? No?
> Go to a 2 scene patch like the factory "Great
> Morph"( nr 74) , move the 
> mod wheel and listen.... you must hear a progressive
> changing sound . 
> Then push only one "scene" button , you must hear
> only one of the 
> sounds, try the other one and finally push both
> buttons together . If 
> all is OK, you'll have to check the connectors
> inside the AN1X , unplug 
> and plug them carefully . Of course the connectors
> related to the 
> control panel . On the worst case you will have to
> change the LEDs but 
> it's rather strange that both fail at the same
> time....
> Concerning the "scene" LEDs they are sometimes
> "flashing" when you play 
> but without any effect on sound or anything else.
> 
> >I used to have a cs1x and was under the impression
> that you just push the button to turn them on.
> >
> It's the same on AN1X. When you load a patch one or
> both "scene" LEDs 
> are lit depending on the patch. Pushing a "scene"
> button will enter in 
> "edit" mode (see on the display).
> The software revision has nothing to do with the
> control panel and (as 
> far as i know) is still available as an EPROM by
> Yamaha customer service...
> @+
> J.F.
> 
> erroneusnickname9876 a \ufffdcrit :
> 
> >I just bought a used AN1x. Got a good deal on it
> but having some issues. The scene lights 
> >will not come on. I reset it to factory and it's
> still like that. I used to have a cs1x and was 
> >under the impression that you just push the button
> to turn them on. Anyone else even have 
> >this problem? Also, I'm looking to update the
> software. I see there's a physical chip available? 
> >What does this do that a sysex update can't? Are
> they still for sale? Will it fix my scene 
> >problem?
> >
> >I can't find os updates ANYWHERE. Any ideas?
> >
> >Thanks!
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Bought Used AN1x! Having Issues. Help!

2007-02-20 by Jon

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "erroneusnickname9876" 
<erroneusnickname9876@...> wrote:
>
> I just bought a used AN1x. Got a good deal on it but having some 
issues. The scene lights 
> will not come on. I reset it to factory and it's still like that. 
I used to have a cs1x and was 
> under the impression that you just push the button to turn them 
on. Anyone else even have 
> this problem? 

Never heard of this issue, very odd. You are correct in that 
selecting one Scene or the other in a Voice should activate that 
Scene. Specifically: does the sound not change when selecting either 
Scene 1 or 2, or is it simply the LEDs do not illuminate?

The default set-up for the the Factory Voices is such that pressing 
both Scene buttons simultaneously would result in both LEDs 
illuminating and the Mod Wheel can be used to morphed the two 
scenes. Selecting either Scene 1 or 2 would allow you to toggle 
between the two independently programmed layers within a Voice.

Have you inquired of the seller whether this was his experience too? 
Was it working prior to the sale or did he not realize this was an 
issue when your AN1x was placd up for sale? Perhpas you could return 
it after making the seller aware of your issues.

I would suggest opening up your AN1x and checking whether any of the 
internal ribbon cables connecting the keyboard and controllers to 
the mainboard has come loose during transit - this is not an 
uncommon issue for the AN1x.

>Also, I'm looking to update the software. I see there's a physical 
chip available? 

Yes, v1.04 is the most recent, and apparently final, OS update to 
the AN1x. It was released some years ago. It is available as an 
EEPROM that most skilled users can install without much difficulty.

> What does this do that a sysex update can't? Are they still for 
sale? Will it fix my scene 
> problem?

The AN1x is not equipped with the necessary FLASH ROM for a SysEx 
update - this useful feature was introduced later models - the RM1x 
and CS6x. The OS update will likely not correct the error you've 
encountered with the Scene LEDs. 

> 
> I can't find os updates ANYWHERE. Any ideas?
> 

We've just had this very conversation on AN1x-list within the past 
week - the details of which can be found in this thread:

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/AN1x-list/message/10642

Regards,

Jon

Re: Bought Used AN1x! Having Issues -- Diagnostics

2007-02-20 by pcbye111

> > I just bought a used AN1x. Got a good deal on it but having some 
> issues. The scene lights 
> > will not come on. I reset it to factory and it's still like that. 
> I used to have a cs1x and was 
> > under the impression that you just push the button to turn them 
> on. Anyone else even have 
> > this problem? 

Greetings:  Two simple things to try.  First do a FULL factory reset.

Power off, hold down [7] [8] [9] and power on.  Select [9] for a full 
factory reset.  Power off.  Power on.  It should boot up with RELAX 
Co:001 with the Scene-1 and Assign buttons lit.

If not, power off.  Hold down [0] [-] [+] and power on.  Release the 
three keys once the ROM Version is diplayed and you will go into 
Diagnostics Mode.  If you want to run the full gamit, you will need a 
MIDI Cable from the IN to the OUT.

Once in Diagnostics, you can scroll through them with the + - keys 
and select one to run.  Press the Store Key to start one of the tests.
In particular, you want test #4 SW&LED.  Go to #4 with the Plus + key 
and press Store.  Scene-2 Should be the first LED to light up.  Press 
it, then Scene-1, press it.  It will then go the the Knobs.  Press 
them. Then SYNC, VCO, etc, then the TEN Key Pad, the Rocker Switches, 
then back to the Rotary Knobs, etc.

If you fail here, you most likely have a loose cable.  Open it up and 
gently pull them all and reseat.  Be careful, they usually have a 
locking tab on them -- I don't remember.

FYI:  If you ever want to know, or name your keys -- use a dry erase 
marker for ease of removal.  The Keyboard Diagnostic gives you the 
name of each key in sequence -- Ha! Ha!

It behooves everyone to at least run the Diagnostics once or twice to 
get the hang of it and see if all is well.

Also, the ONLY upgrade is the V1.04 OTP EPROM available from Yamaha 
in a previous post.  If Yamaha no longer has it, someone may be able 
to burn one -- Only if no longer available though.  It is well worth 
the $37.00 USD.  It fixes a lot of things -- A lot of things.

Best of luck;

Peter

Re: Bought Used AN1x! Having Issues -- Diagnostics

2007-02-20 by Andrea TONI

emm sorry to ask but ... 

if it fixes a lot of things 
how come it is impossible to have a list of them ? 

_IF_ it is legal i don't mind making copies of the ROM but i have only 1.03
cant we organize here a common update ?  

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Also, the ONLY upgrade is the V1.04 OTP EPROM available from Yamaha 
in a previous post. If Yamaha no longer has it, someone may be able 
to burn one -- Only if no longer available though. It is well worth 
the $37.00 USD. It fixes a lot of things -- A lot of things.

Best of luck;
Peter

Re: [AN1x] Re: Bought Used AN1x! Having Issues -- Diagnostics

2007-02-20 by jesse meyer

Thanks, I tried the diagnostic. The scene lights don't
turn on and the buttons don't respond to the keypress.
I tried the factory resest again and still nothing. I
suppose my next stop is surgery. Anything I should
know before I go poking around in there?





--- pcbye111 <pcbye@...> wrote:

> > > I just bought a used AN1x. Got a good deal on it
> but having some 
> > issues. The scene lights 
> > > will not come on. I reset it to factory and it's
> still like that. 
> > I used to have a cs1x and was 
> > > under the impression that you just push the
> button to turn them 
> > on. Anyone else even have 
> > > this problem? 
> 
> Greetings:  Two simple things to try.  First do a
> FULL factory reset.
> 
> Power off, hold down [7] [8] [9] and power on. 
> Select [9] for a full 
> factory reset.  Power off.  Power on.  It should
> boot up with RELAX 
> Co:001 with the Scene-1 and Assign buttons lit.
> 
> If not, power off.  Hold down [0] [-] [+] and power
> on.  Release the 
> three keys once the ROM Version is diplayed and you
> will go into 
> Diagnostics Mode.  If you want to run the full
> gamit, you will need a 
> MIDI Cable from the IN to the OUT.
> 
> Once in Diagnostics, you can scroll through them
> with the + - keys 
> and select one to run.  Press the Store Key to start
> one of the tests.
> In particular, you want test #4 SW&LED.  Go to #4
> with the Plus + key 
> and press Store.  Scene-2 Should be the first LED to
> light up.  Press 
> it, then Scene-1, press it.  It will then go the the
> Knobs.  Press 
> them. Then SYNC, VCO, etc, then the TEN Key Pad, the
> Rocker Switches, 
> then back to the Rotary Knobs, etc.
> 
> If you fail here, you most likely have a loose
> cable.  Open it up and 
> gently pull them all and reseat.  Be careful, they
> usually have a 
> locking tab on them -- I don't remember.
> 
> FYI:  If you ever want to know, or name your keys --
> use a dry erase 
> marker for ease of removal.  The Keyboard Diagnostic
> gives you the 
> name of each key in sequence -- Ha! Ha!
> 
> It behooves everyone to at least run the Diagnostics
> once or twice to 
> get the hang of it and see if all is well.
> 
> Also, the ONLY upgrade is the V1.04 OTP EPROM
> available from Yamaha 
> in a previous post.  If Yamaha no longer has it,
> someone may be able 
> to burn one -- Only if no longer available though. 
> It is well worth 
> the $37.00 USD.  It fixes a lot of things -- A lot
> of things.
> 
> Best of luck;
> 
> Peter
> 
> 
> 



 
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Re: Bought Used AN1x! Having Issues -- Diagnostics

2007-02-20 by pcbye111

Long -- Soap Box -- Reply -- Sorry!


> emm sorry to ask but ... 
> 
> if it fixes a lot of things 
> how come it is impossible to have a list of them ? 
> 
> _IF_ it is legal i don't mind making copies of the ROM but i have 
only 1.03
> cant we organize here a common update ?  

As far as the fix list goes, I am unaware of any fix lists published 
by Yamaha on any of their gear.  I have no less than two of every, 
what I consider "Good/Classic" Synths, Effects Processor, Rack Mixer, 
etc, etc, Yamaha Made since the Early/Mid 80's.  Two Studios full. 
Most have at least a 4th Generation ROM update in them if I recall.  
Most I have no idea what they fixed.  Talking to Yamaha, they 
frequently can't tell you either.  It is more evolution.  Quirks that 
were reported in the field that most never new about or noticed and 
were fixed in production or shortly there after.  For instance the 
DX7II is at V1.09.  As far as I know, I am one of the few that have 
that Rev.  Can't tell you exactly what it does.

My guess is many of the fixes are things found out about 
interoperability with other gear after the fact -- not everything can 
be tested.  MIDI issues, Timing, Sequencers, Disk Drives, etc, etc.  
As an example, you have to realize, that when the DX7 was released, 
the MIDI spec. wasn't even complete.  It got fixed in later ROM's.  
The EX5/7 had a lot of issues.  SCSI, Disk and timing issues, but 
lot's more I guess.  That's at 1.11 for the OS and 1.14 for the 
Waves.  The A3K at V2.0 ROM, and the A4/5K at 1.50 Software.  The 
AK's can be re-flashed by floppy disk -- nice.

In general, once you get enough gear out there, somebody will find 
something that doesn't work correctly, and hopefully it get's fixed, 
but not all users do the same thing or appear to have the same 
problem.  It depends on what they are doing. We should all feel lucky 
that Yamaha Actually does fix and support these things.  Where else 
can you get a ROM upgrade for a 20+ year old synth.

On copying and distributing ROM code, etc.  I don't want to do it 
unless Yamaha gives the OK.  My assumption is, they would allow it -- 
if you don't sell it.  You can freely down load the software flash 
updates for A4/5k, Motif, etc, so the Code is not necessarily the 
issue.  Their charge for ROM's -- if not free -- has to be close to 
their cost.

It is a serious pain to handle the calls, inventory, burn, ship, etc, 
etc. on something that they will never make another nickle on.  Other 
vendors pretty much tell you to buy a new synth or what ever.  One 
other thing.  I do burn my own ROM's, but once you go out and start 
looking for the chips, they tend to be NA or pretty expensive.  The 
last batch I got, and the one's I think may work on the AN I bought 
used from Singapore and cost about $6.00 USD ea.  New from a vendor 
or a chip broker $20.00 - $50.00+ USD -- if they even have one in 
stock.  In the past, I sent clean chips to Yamaha and they burned 
them for me free of charge.

Somebody, or I will one of these days -- I've been meaning to do it --
 is contact Yamaha -- I know the person who may help -- and ask for a 
list of all the ROM Versions -- at least for my gear -- and see if I 
could roll my own and "Free"ly redistribute them -- cost plus postage 
of course.

BTW:  If someone has the AN Service Manual, maybe you could let us 
know what the ROM is.  Like a M27C800 or a 8Mbit, or a 1Mbx8 or a 
512kbx16 or some such thing...............  Either the parts list or 
the block diagram would tell you.  The new chip from Yamaha is a OTP 
imprinted with Yamaha stuff.

Hum!  Just for kicks -- I had an AN1x on the bench here with just a 
couple of screws in the pan.  I pull the ROM and was successfull at 
burning a copy on to a M27C800-100F1.  I plugged it in and it passed 
the Diags. so I guess that is the chip.  Hard to find one too.  
Discontinued in 2000 if I recall, but used in a lot of Yamaha gear up 
through the EX and A3K anyway.

Well, that's my 2cents worth if it has any value.


Best regards;

Peter

[AN1x] Re: Bought Used AN1x! Having Issues -- Diagnostics

2007-02-20 by pcbye111

> Thanks, I tried the diagnostic. The scene lights don't
> turn on and the buttons don't respond to the keypress.
> I tried the factory resest again and still nothing. I
> suppose my next stop is surgery. Anything I should
> know before I go poking around in there?
> 

Before you start, you may want to pick up a NEW CR2450 Battery and 
replace it while your at it.

I've got one open now.  First off.  Get some damp bath towels to lay 
the synth upside down on.  A quick and diry way to get one damp is to 
throw a clean bath towel in the dryer and toss in a clean WET wash 
cloth and tumble for a few minutes.

Work in bare feet on a wood floor -- no socks anyway.

Pull the volume knob stright up and off.  Lay the Synth down with the 
back of the facing you, take the the two dozen or so screws on the 
bottom and remove the cover.

The circuit board you are looking for will be on your far left close 
to you.  Remove the four screws holding down and carfully wiggle it 
up and out.  Put a hand under to push a little on the volume control 
shaft.  Be carefull as the LED's need to come up out of their holes.

Flip it over.  There is one connector, and a punch down block.  It 
looks like it is the punch down block where the connections could be 
loose.  If things look OK, take a pen knife or use the BACK edge of a 
razor knife and gently press the wires into the connector notches.

This may do it.  While your at it, go over all of the accessable 
screws and give them a twist if loose.  Many are the ground rail for 
the PC boards.

If that does not do it, those leads lead to a Relay Board under the 
Main System board.  Wires could be loose there on a similar 
connector, or there could be bad relays -- not too likely.  Still, 
most likely a loose connector.  Getting under the system board is a 
bigger job.  Go slowely and don't drop any tools on any thing.

Good Luck...............

Peter

Re: [AN1x] Bought Used AN1x! Having Issues. Help!

2007-02-20 by Jeff

Hi Jesse !
2 possible things at this point :
one or more ribbon cables are disconnected inside, maybe during shipping ?
a dry solder joint on a connector ?
For the matrix check if there is no "extra position" outside the normal 
rows .... In this case the left rotary switch has been removed and badly 
replaced.
All these things suggest me that the previous owner has tried to repair 
something inside and has forgotten to check carefully at the connectors 
and selector positions before removing, or forgotten to re-plug a cable 
..... But i think it is not a fatal issue, only a matter of bad(s) 
contact(s) or wrong wiring somewhere, the most common plagues in 
electronics.
Cheers
J.F.


jesse meyer a \ufffdcrit :

>Actually, no matter what i do with the scene buttons,
>they don't change the sound. It's not so much that
>they don't light up. It's that they don't work. The
>scene button does nothing, seperate or together. Also,
>the "Seq/Edit Setup" row in the matrix shows the
>parameters for the "utility Setup."
>
>Very strange things to have broken...Any ideas?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>--- Jeff <jf.serviere@...> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Hello !
>>
>>    
>>
>>>The scene lights will not come on.
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>Do you have other lazy LEDs on your synth ? No?
>>Go to a 2 scene patch like the factory "Great
>>Morph"( nr 74) , move the 
>>mod wheel and listen.... you must hear a progressive
>>changing sound . 
>>Then push only one "scene" button , you must hear
>>only one of the 
>>sounds, try the other one and finally push both
>>buttons together . If 
>>all is OK, you'll have to check the connectors
>>inside the AN1X , unplug 
>>and plug them carefully . Of course the connectors
>>related to the 
>>control panel . On the worst case you will have to
>>change the LEDs but 
>>it's rather strange that both fail at the same
>>time....
>>Concerning the "scene" LEDs they are sometimes
>>"flashing" when you play 
>>but without any effect on sound or anything else.
>>
>>    
>>
>>>I used to have a cs1x and was under the impression
>>>      
>>>
>>that you just push the button to turn them on.
>>    
>>
>>It's the same on AN1X. When you load a patch one or
>>both "scene" LEDs 
>>are lit depending on the patch. Pushing a "scene"
>>button will enter in 
>>"edit" mode (see on the display).
>>The software revision has nothing to do with the
>>control panel and (as 
>>far as i know) is still available as an EPROM by
>>Yamaha customer service...
>>@+
>>J.F.
>>
>>erroneusnickname9876 a \ufffdcrit :
>>
>>    
>>
>>>I just bought a used AN1x. Got a good deal on it
>>>      
>>>
>>but having some issues. The scene lights 
>>    
>>
>>>will not come on. I reset it to factory and it's
>>>      
>>>
>>still like that. I used to have a cs1x and was 
>>    
>>
>>>under the impression that you just push the button
>>>      
>>>
>>to turn them on. Anyone else even have 
>>    
>>
>>>this problem? Also, I'm looking to update the
>>>      
>>>
>>software. I see there's a physical chip available? 
>>    
>>
>>>What does this do that a sysex update can't? Are
>>>      
>>>
>>they still for sale? Will it fix my scene 
>>    
>>
>>>problem?
>>>
>>>I can't find os updates ANYWHERE. Any ideas?
>>>
>>>Thanks!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>---
>>>avast! Antivirus: message Entrant propre.
>>>Base de donn\ufffdes des virus (VPS): 000714-4,
>>>      
>>>
>>19/02/2007
>>    
>>
>>>Test du: 19/02/2007 23:35:20
>>>avast! - copyright (c) 2000-2007 ALWIL Software.
>>>http://www.avast.com
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>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
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>>
>>    
>>
>
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Re: [AN1x] Re: Bought Used AN1x! Having Issues -- Diagnostics

2007-02-21 by Jeff

Good idea if there is no risk of lawsuit .... I can do that too, but i 
don't remember what is my own synth software revision...
If it is possible the better would be to put the EPROM content on the 
website in a JEDEC or binary file format, very small and usable by most 
of the EPROMs hardware programmers. And not to forget to specify the 
right blank EPROM reference (access time included)  : the size and the 
number of pins could not be sufficient .
@+
J.F.

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>emm sorry to ask but ... 
>
>if it fixes a lot of things 
>how come it is impossible to have a list of them ? 
>
>_IF_ it is legal i don't mind making copies of the ROM but i have only 1.03
>cant we organize here a common update ?  
>
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>Also, the ONLY upgrade is the V1.04 OTP EPROM available from Yamaha 
>in a previous post. If Yamaha no longer has it, someone may be able 
>to burn one -- Only if no longer available though. It is well worth 
>the $37.00 USD. It fixes a lot of things -- A lot of things.
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Re: [AN1x] Re: Bought Used AN1x! Having Issues -- Diagnostics

2007-02-21 by jesse meyer

Thanks for the info. I took her apart. I removed that
board and tried to push the wires back in. The ones to
the volume connector moved in more, but the connector
for the scene buttons are in metal teeth, and aren't
able to be pushed in. Besides, they look pretty good.
Still no luck. She's still open if anyone has any more
suggestions. 


--- pcbye111 <pcbye@...> wrote:

> > Thanks, I tried the diagnostic. The scene lights
> don't
> > turn on and the buttons don't respond to the
> keypress.
> > I tried the factory resest again and still
> nothing. I
> > suppose my next stop is surgery. Anything I should
> > know before I go poking around in there?
> > 
> 
> Before you start, you may want to pick up a NEW
> CR2450 Battery and 
> replace it while your at it.
> 
> I've got one open now.  First off.  Get some damp
> bath towels to lay 
> the synth upside down on.  A quick and diry way to
> get one damp is to 
> throw a clean bath towel in the dryer and toss in a
> clean WET wash 
> cloth and tumble for a few minutes.
> 
> Work in bare feet on a wood floor -- no socks
> anyway.
> 
> Pull the volume knob stright up and off.  Lay the
> Synth down with the 
> back of the facing you, take the the two dozen or so
> screws on the 
> bottom and remove the cover.
> 
> The circuit board you are looking for will be on
> your far left close 
> to you.  Remove the four screws holding down and
> carfully wiggle it 
> up and out.  Put a hand under to push a little on
> the volume control 
> shaft.  Be carefull as the LED's need to come up out
> of their holes.
> 
> Flip it over.  There is one connector, and a punch
> down block.  It 
> looks like it is the punch down block where the
> connections could be 
> loose.  If things look OK, take a pen knife or use
> the BACK edge of a 
> razor knife and gently press the wires into the
> connector notches.
> 
> This may do it.  While your at it, go over all of
> the accessable 
> screws and give them a twist if loose.  Many are the
> ground rail for 
> the PC boards.
> 
> If that does not do it, those leads lead to a Relay
> Board under the 
> Main System board.  Wires could be loose there on a
> similar 
> connector, or there could be bad relays -- not too
> likely.  Still, 
> most likely a loose connector.  Getting under the
> system board is a 
> bigger job.  Go slowely and don't drop any tools on
> any thing.
> 
> Good Luck...............
> 
> Peter
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



 
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Re: [AN1x] Re: Bought Used AN1x! Having Issues -- Diagnostics

2007-02-21 by Ed Edwards

As a tech, this can't be preached enough:

Unseat, unplug and disconnect everything possible - clean them - then 
reconnect and test.  Don't just jiggle or wiggle.  Heat, corrosion and 
vibration can cause a lot of strange things to happen over the years.

If this doesn't work, then it's time to tap... but first visually 
inspect for bad solder joints.  Then take the eraser end of a pencil and 
tap all over the board while you have it powered up to see if anything 
happens.  This is a technique of finding bad solder connections.

It's unusual for a small section of an EPROM to fail and cause symptoms 
like yours.  It's usually all or nothing, therefore I'm suspicious of a 
connection being compromised somewhere.

As far as copying chips is concerned:
Yamaha is no longer making any money on this unit which they obsoleted 
years ago.  Making copies to repair or restore existing units is like a 
machinist making copies of parts of old cars when the factory no longer 
supplies them.

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> Thanks for the info. I took her apart. I removed that
> board and tried to push the wires back in. The ones to
> the volume connector moved in more, but the connector
> for the scene buttons are in metal teeth, and aren't
> able to be pushed in. Besides, they look pretty good.
> Still no luck. She's still open if anyone has any more
> suggestions. 
>
>
> --- pcbye111 <pcbye@...> wrote:
>
>   
>>> Thanks, I tried the diagnostic. The scene lights
>>>       
>> don't
>>     
>>> turn on and the buttons don't respond to the
>>>       
>> keypress.
>>     
>>> I tried the factory resest again and still
>>>       
>> nothing. I
>>     
>>> suppose my next stop is surgery. Anything I should
>>> know before I go poking around in there?
>>>
>>>       
>> Before you start, you may want to pick up a NEW
>> CR2450 Battery and 
>> replace it while your at it.
>>
>> I've got one open now.  First off.  Get some damp
>> bath towels to lay 
>> the synth upside down on.  A quick and diry way to
>> get one damp is to 
>> throw a clean bath towel in the dryer and toss in a
>> clean WET wash 
>> cloth and tumble for a few minutes.
>>
>> Work in bare feet on a wood floor -- no socks
>> anyway.
>>
>> Pull the volume knob stright up and off.  Lay the
>> Synth down with the 
>> back of the facing you, take the the two dozen or so
>> screws on the 
>> bottom and remove the cover.
>>
>> The circuit board you are looking for will be on
>> your far left close 
>> to you.  Remove the four screws holding down and
>> carfully wiggle it 
>> up and out.  Put a hand under to push a little on
>> the volume control 
>> shaft.  Be carefull as the LED's need to come up out
>> of their holes.
>>
>> Flip it over.  There is one connector, and a punch
>> down block.  It 
>> looks like it is the punch down block where the
>> connections could be 
>> loose.  If things look OK, take a pen knife or use
>> the BACK edge of a 
>> razor knife and gently press the wires into the
>> connector notches.
>>
>> This may do it.  While your at it, go over all of
>> the accessable 
>> screws and give them a twist if loose.  Many are the
>> ground rail for 
>> the PC boards.
>>
>> If that does not do it, those leads lead to a Relay
>> Board under the 
>> Main System board.  Wires could be loose there on a
>> similar 
>> connector, or there could be bad relays -- not too
>> likely.  Still, 
>> most likely a loose connector.  Getting under the
>> system board is a 
>> bigger job.  Go slowely and don't drop any tools on
>> any thing.
>>
>> Good Luck...............
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     
>
>
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[AN1x] Re: Bought Used AN1x! Having Issues -- Diagnostics

2007-02-21 by Jon

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, jesse meyer 
<erroneusnickname9876@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the info. I took her apart. I removed that
> board and tried to push the wires back in. The ones to
> the volume connector moved in more, but the connector
> for the scene buttons are in metal teeth, and aren't
> able to be pushed in. Besides, they look pretty good.
> Still no luck. She's still open if anyone has any more
> suggestions. 


Replace the battery as suggested in this thread...I think Pete posted 
the model type and number.

Jon

Re: AN1x Diagnostics

2007-02-22 by jesse meyer

I replaced the battery and did a full reset. Still no
help with the scene buttons/matrix row selection. I
also tried pressing the solder joints, they all seemed
ok. I checked all ribbons and wires I could find with
the same results. Any more ideas?

The diagnostics runs fine except for when it says
'scene' because obviously, the button isn't
responding. At that point I have to power down.

Any suggestions on how to find a reasonable repair
facility? Will Yamaha service this? I'm near Chicago
if that helps. Any idea what I can expect to pay? Any
idea what could be causing this sort of problem?

I haphazardly bought this knowing full well that it
wasn't responding like it should but my want
overwhelmed my logic. I spent $200 on it, which is I
suppose what they cost fully functioning. I'm
typically very good at getting deals. This time, I was
on the wrong end.

I bet I could sell it broken for $150 and buy another
one for $250 and end up loosing $100 on my original
purchase. That being said, I don't want to spend more
than $100 on repairs.

Thanks everybody, you've all been really kind and
helpful.

-jesse



 
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Re: AN1x Diagnostics

2007-02-22 by Jon

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, jesse meyer <erroneusnickname9876@...> wrote:
>
> Any suggestions on how to find a reasonable repair
> facility? Will Yamaha service this? I'm near Chicago
> if that helps. Any idea what I can expect to pay? Any
> idea what could be causing this sort of problem?

Here's the Yamaha Corp USA Service and Support web site:

http://tinyurl.com/y6hodb

I don't doubt that they would be able to service your AN1x.
 
> I haphazardly bought this knowing full well that it
> wasn't responding like it should but my want
> overwhelmed my logic. I spent $200 on it, which is I
> suppose what they cost fully functioning. I'm
> typically very good at getting deals. This time, I was
> on the wrong end.

$200?!? That's cheap, I assumed they were still selling $300-350 2nd hand.

 
> I bet I could sell it broken for $150 and buy another
> one for $250 and end up loosing $100 on my original
> purchase. That being said, I don't want to spend more
> than $100 on repairs.

If it were my board, I'd have it serviced. Depends on which is more important to you - the 
time and effort spent reselling and purchasing another AN1x (and maybe starting from 
scratch with different issues), or the time and effort spent working with Yamaha Service & 
Support. FWIW, I found Yamaha very agreeable to deal with.

Good luck.

Jon

Re: AN1x Diagnostics

2007-02-22 by pcbye111

Jesse:

Step-1.  Go to the Yamaha Site and do a lookup on Yamaha Service 
Centers in your area.  Frequently, you can find some old guy that 
runs a shop out of his house and won't bleed you to death.  He will 
fix it and be happy to help.

Step-2.  If that fails, I will (try and) repair it for you.  You pay 
postage both ways - that could cost up to $100.00 round trip to 
Minnesota.

Step-3.  I'll buy it from you for $150.00 plus postage and you can 
giver er another go.  If I can't ultimately fix it, it becomes parts 
for folks here in the group.

Let me know.

Peter


> I replaced the battery and did a full reset. Still no
> help with the scene buttons/matrix row selection. I
> also tried pressing the solder joints, they all seemed
> ok. I checked all ribbons and wires I could find with
> the same results. Any more ideas?
> 
> The diagnostics runs fine except for when it says
> 'scene' because obviously, the button isn't
> responding. At that point I have to power down.
> 
> Any suggestions on how to find a reasonable repair
> facility? Will Yamaha service this? I'm near Chicago
> if that helps. Any idea what I can expect to pay? Any
> idea what could be causing this sort of problem?
> 
> I haphazardly bought this knowing full well that it
> wasn't responding like it should but my want
> overwhelmed my logic. I spent $200 on it, which is I
> suppose what they cost fully functioning. I'm
> typically very good at getting deals. This time, I was
> on the wrong end.
> 
> I bet I could sell it broken for $150 and buy another
> one for $250 and end up loosing $100 on my original
> purchase. That being said, I don't want to spend more
> than $100 on repairs.
> 
> Thanks everybody, you've all been really kind and
> helpful.
> 
> -jesse
> 
> 
> 
>  
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Re: [AN1x] Re: AN1x Diagnostics

2007-02-22 by jesse meyer

I've been in contact with Yamaha and they are going to
try and recommend someone local. I looked the area up
in the listings and wasn't able to get ahold of anyone
so far myself.

I was tempted to just take a loss on this synth. I
hadn't even played it really because I've been
spending so much time trying to figure out what's
wrong with it. Well, I put it back together and
started editing a few patches. Now I know why after 10
years there's still an active user group for this
synth. It's quite expressive. I loved my old cs1x when
I was a teen for pads, but this is amazing. I have a
broken, but usable alesis ION(which I've had an
incredible amount of trouble with), and am trying to
decide which to fix, which to sell, and which to
keep...

The Ion is a very capable synth, but I'm afraid many
corners were cut in production. I've had the main
outputs die on 3 separate units, ghost knobs, broken
keys, etc. 

The reason I'm unsure I want the An1x is when
something is altering the sound and I want to change
it, it's hard for me to find. I suppose I'll get the
hang of the matrix again? I'm used to one knob/one
function, or at least one knob/one menu.

In response to the offer on fixing/buying the AN1x
from me, I will say this: I very well may be
interested in one of those options, and I thank you
for them. I do, however, need to spend some time with
this synth and decide if I want to keep it around.
I'll also wait for yamaha to get back to me about
repair options.

Thanks again for all the help. Hopefully I'll fall for
this synth and get her up and running again soon.


 
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Re: [AN1x] Re: AN1x Diagnostics

2007-02-22 by Dale

on my third ION too but
the first batches had bad pots as they call them
I manage to get the first 2 like that ...
third one, the one I have now, some problems but over all useful

AN200 and DX200, no an1x here.. I had a chance to get one but
decided on the JP8000 at the time. ;-)
now I added FM7, Reaktor and a PEK ..

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decide which to fix, which to sell, and which to
keep...

The Ion is a very capable synth, but I'm afraid many
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Re: [AN1x] Re: AN1x Diagnostics

2007-02-23 by Jeff

Hello Jesse !
i think they are right . If you cannot repair it by yourself, try to 
have it serviced .... This synth is becoming more expensive each year on 
Ebay . Not in France but in such case the shipping costs could be more 
expensive than your repair, not to mention possible issues with the 
customs. From my point of view this is only a minor failure. Did you try 
to get some refund from the seller ? I think you could if he or she has 
not mentioned "sold as it for parts" or "needs servicing"....
@+
J.F.
pcbye111 a \ufffdcrit :

>Jesse:
>
>Step-1.  Go to the Yamaha Site and do a lookup on Yamaha Service 
>Centers in your area.  Frequently, you can find some old guy that 
>runs a shop out of his house and won't bleed you to death.  He will 
>fix it and be happy to help.
>
>Step-2.  If that fails, I will (try and) repair it for you.  You pay 
>postage both ways - that could cost up to $100.00 round trip to 
>Minnesota.
>
>Step-3.  I'll buy it from you for $150.00 plus postage and you can 
>giver er another go.  If I can't ultimately fix it, it becomes parts 
>for folks here in the group.
>
>Let me know.
>
>Peter
>
>
>  
>
>>I replaced the battery and did a full reset. Still no
>>help with the scene buttons/matrix row selection. I
>>also tried pressing the solder joints, they all seemed
>>ok. I checked all ribbons and wires I could find with
>>the same results. Any more ideas?
>>
>>The diagnostics runs fine except for when it says
>>'scene' because obviously, the button isn't
>>responding. At that point I have to power down.
>>
>>Any suggestions on how to find a reasonable repair
>>facility? Will Yamaha service this? I'm near Chicago
>>if that helps. Any idea what I can expect to pay? Any
>>idea what could be causing this sort of problem?
>>
>>I haphazardly bought this knowing full well that it
>>wasn't responding like it should but my want
>>overwhelmed my logic. I spent $200 on it, which is I
>>suppose what they cost fully functioning. I'm
>>typically very good at getting deals. This time, I was
>>on the wrong end.
>>
>>I bet I could sell it broken for $150 and buy another
>>one for $250 and end up loosing $100 on my original
>>purchase. That being said, I don't want to spend more
>>than $100 on repairs.
>>
>>Thanks everybody, you've all been really kind and
>>helpful.
>>
>>-jesse
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
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Re: [AN1x] Re: AN1x Diagnostics

2007-02-23 by jesse meyer

I didn't ask for a refund for several reasons, but the
most important is that I simply may not even want one.
For $200 the only things not working are the
scenes(which I really DO want) and the sequencer row
in the matrix which, being a logic user, I don't care
about. I will continue to make patches until I make a
clear decision on it. 

I figure its resale value is comparable to what I paid
and I'm hopefull about repair costs.


--- Jeff <jf.serviere@...> wrote:

> Hello Jesse !
> i think they are right . If you cannot repair it by
> yourself, try to 
> have it serviced .... This synth is becoming more
> expensive each year on 
> Ebay . Not in France but in such case the shipping
> costs could be more 
> expensive than your repair, not to mention possible
> issues with the 
> customs. From my point of view this is only a minor
> failure. Did you try 
> to get some refund from the seller ? I think you
> could if he or she has 
> not mentioned "sold as it for parts" or "needs
> servicing"....
> @+
> J.F.
> pcbye111 a \ufffdcrit :
> 
> >Jesse:
> >
> >Step-1.  Go to the Yamaha Site and do a lookup on
> Yamaha Service 
> >Centers in your area.  Frequently, you can find
> some old guy that 
> >runs a shop out of his house and won't bleed you to
> death.  He will 
> >fix it and be happy to help.
> >
> >Step-2.  If that fails, I will (try and) repair it
> for you.  You pay 
> >postage both ways - that could cost up to $100.00
> round trip to 
> >Minnesota.
> >
> >Step-3.  I'll buy it from you for $150.00 plus
> postage and you can 
> >giver er another go.  If I can't ultimately fix it,
> it becomes parts 
> >for folks here in the group.
> >
> >Let me know.
> >
> >Peter
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> >>I replaced the battery and did a full reset. Still
> no
> >>help with the scene buttons/matrix row selection.
> I
> >>also tried pressing the solder joints, they all
> seemed
> >>ok. I checked all ribbons and wires I could find
> with
> >>the same results. Any more ideas?
> >>
> >>The diagnostics runs fine except for when it says
> >>'scene' because obviously, the button isn't
> >>responding. At that point I have to power down.
> >>
> >>Any suggestions on how to find a reasonable repair
> >>facility? Will Yamaha service this? I'm near
> Chicago
> >>if that helps. Any idea what I can expect to pay?
> Any
> >>idea what could be causing this sort of problem?
> >>
> >>I haphazardly bought this knowing full well that
> it
> >>wasn't responding like it should but my want
> >>overwhelmed my logic. I spent $200 on it, which is
> I
> >>suppose what they cost fully functioning. I'm
> >>typically very good at getting deals. This time, I
> was
> >>on the wrong end.
> >>
> >>I bet I could sell it broken for $150 and buy
> another
> >>one for $250 and end up loosing $100 on my
> original
> >>purchase. That being said, I don't want to spend
> more
> >>than $100 on repairs.
> >>
> >>Thanks everybody, you've all been really kind and
> >>helpful.
> >>
> >>-jesse
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 
> >>
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Re: 3rd Ion

2007-02-23 by jesse meyer

Have you dealt with Alesis' tech support? They've
never even replied to me. Where did you get your ions
serviced? What was the cost?


 
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Re: [AN1x] Re: AN1x Diagnostics

2007-02-23 by Bob S.

If you can isolate it to a part, Yamaha still stocks some parts for the AN1x.  I recently purchased a few AN1x keys at a few dollars apiece from them....

Bob
El Segundo, CA
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: jesse meyer 
  To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 6:54 PM
  Subject: Re: [AN1x] Re: AN1x Diagnostics


  I didn't ask for a refund for several reasons, but the
  most important is that I simply may not even want one.
  For $200 the only things not working are the
  scenes(which I really DO want) and the sequencer row
  in the matrix which, being a logic user, I don't care
  about. I will continue to make patches until I make a
  clear decision on it. 

  I figure its resale value is comparable to what I paid
  and I'm hopefull about repair costs.

  --- Jeff <jf.serviere@...> wrote:

  > Hello Jesse !
  > i think they are right . If you cannot repair it by
  > yourself, try to 
  > have it serviced .... This synth is becoming more
  > expensive each year on 
  > Ebay . Not in France but in such case the shipping
  > costs could be more 
  > expensive than your repair, not to mention possible
  > issues with the 
  > customs. From my point of view this is only a minor
  > failure. Did you try 
  > to get some refund from the seller ? I think you
  > could if he or she has 
  > not mentioned "sold as it for parts" or "needs
  > servicing"....
  > @+
  > J.F.
  > pcbye111 a écrit :
  > 
  > >Jesse:
  > >
  > >Step-1. Go to the Yamaha Site and do a lookup on
  > Yamaha Service 
  > >Centers in your area. Frequently, you can find
  > some old guy that 
  > >runs a shop out of his house and won't bleed you to
  > death. He will 
  > >fix it and be happy to help.
  > >
  > >Step-2. If that fails, I will (try and) repair it
  > for you. You pay 
  > >postage both ways - that could cost up to $100.00
  > round trip to 
  > >Minnesota.
  > >
  > >Step-3. I'll buy it from you for $150.00 plus
  > postage and you can 
  > >giver er another go. If I can't ultimately fix it,
  > it becomes parts 
  > >for folks here in the group.
  > >
  > >Let me know.
  > >
  > >Peter
  > >
  > >
  > > 
  > >
  > >>I replaced the battery and did a full reset. Still
  > no
  > >>help with the scene buttons/matrix row selection.
  > I
  > >>also tried pressing the solder joints, they all
  > seemed
  > >>ok. I checked all ribbons and wires I could find
  > with
  > >>the same results. Any more ideas?
  > >>
  > >>The diagnostics runs fine except for when it says
  > >>'scene' because obviously, the button isn't
  > >>responding. At that point I have to power down.
  > >>
  > >>Any suggestions on how to find a reasonable repair
  > >>facility? Will Yamaha service this? I'm near
  > Chicago
  > >>if that helps. Any idea what I can expect to pay?
  > Any
  > >>idea what could be causing this sort of problem?
  > >>
  > >>I haphazardly bought this knowing full well that
  > it
  > >>wasn't responding like it should but my want
  > >>overwhelmed my logic. I spent $200 on it, which is
  > I
  > >>suppose what they cost fully functioning. I'm
  > >>typically very good at getting deals. This time, I
  > was
  > >>on the wrong end.
  > >>
  > >>I bet I could sell it broken for $150 and buy
  > another
  > >>one for $250 and end up loosing $100 on my
  > original
  > >>purchase. That being said, I don't want to spend
  > more
  > >>than $100 on repairs.
  > >>
  > >>Thanks everybody, you've all been really kind and
  > >>helpful.
  > >>
  > >>-jesse
  > >>
  > >>
  > >>
  > >> 
  > >>
  > >> 
  > >>
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Re: [AN1x] Re: AN1x Diagnostics

2007-02-23 by jesse meyer

A new update with my issues. I tried out the AN1x
logic environment(I'm in osx and can't use the
an1xedit.) When I change from Scene 1 to Scene 2 in
logic, nothing changes on the AN1x, but if I select
Scene 1+2, the modulation wheel now morphs between the
2 scenes. The buttons still don't respond, and the
lights are still out, but at least the morph is
working. Since the buttons don't respond, I still
can't save scenes, but it makes me think it's at least
a little less broken.

Any idea why switching from Scene 1 to 2 doesn't
change the sound but activating Scene 1+2 does?

Does any of this spark new ideas? Thanks!


 
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[AN1x] Re: AN1x Diagnostics

2007-02-23 by Jon

--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, jesse meyer <erroneusnickname9876@...> wrote:
>
> A new update with my issues. I tried out the AN1x
> logic environment(I'm in osx and can't use the
> an1xedit.) 

If you have Panther, or Tiger, on your PowerPC Mac - and you run Classic - then you can 
run AN1xEdit w/ OMS alongside a USB MIDI Interface that has an OMS USB MIDI Driver 
under Classic and it works perfectly well.

> When I change from Scene 1 to Scene 2 in
> logic, nothing changes on the AN1x, but if I select
> Scene 1+2, the modulation wheel now morphs between the
> 2 scenes. The buttons still don't respond, and the
> lights are still out, but at least the morph is
> working. Since the buttons don't respond, I still
> can't save scenes, but it makes me think it's at least
> a little less broken.
> 
> Any idea why switching from Scene 1 to 2 doesn't
> change the sound but activating Scene 1+2 does?
> 

That makes no sense because Scene Select is simply sending the AN1x MIDI CC #003 
while the AN1x is in Mode 2. I assume you're using AN1x Env.lso? The Scene Select from 1 
-> 2 is simply sending the AN1x a MIDI CC of #003 with a value greater than '42' and 
from 2 -> 1+2 is MIDI CC #003 with a value greater than '85'.

Have you tried to tweak Voice when select Scene 2 from the Logic environment? You 
should be able to distinguish a difference from Scene 1.

Jon

Re: [AN1x] Re: 3rd Ion

2007-02-23 by Jeff

Never....
When i bought my AN1X i had the opportunity to buy either the Yamaha 
synth or  an Alesis Ion or an Oberheim OB12 . The 3rd is said to be fine 
sounding but unreliable , now i know the Ion is the same :-P  And they 
were much expensive ....
Cheers !
J.F.

jesse meyer a \ufffdcrit :

>Have you dealt with Alesis' tech support? They've
>never even replied to me. Where did you get your ions
>serviced? What was the cost?
>
>
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