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I agreee with your disagreement of Yamaha Gary.

Extending Yamaha's logic - why have bulk dump on any MIDI instrument at all
?

Since all states of an instrument are obtainable by INITIALIZE + ADD ANY
SIGNALS THAT CAME FROM AN EXTERNAL SOURCE.

AHAHAHAHAHA

----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Gregson <gary@...>
To: <AN1x-list@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 3:10 AM
Subject: RE: [AN1x-list] Bulk dumps from PLG150-AN


> Hi Lars,
>
> In common with all Yamaha soundcards and PLG boards....it is NOT possible
to
> dump parameters from the PLG150AN card. Yamaha simply do not provide bulk
> requests or a return path from the card  (their reasoning is that any
> changes to the card MUST have arrived from an external source....hence
that
> external source should already know what the parameters are). I don't go
> along with this reasoning....particularly in the case you mention where
you
> want to get at the default ROM preset parameters!
>
> If you perform a bulk dump from an MU unit fitted with a PLG card, you
will
> get some PLG card specific parameters. However these are merely the
> configuration parameters for the card in the XG device (i.e. those you can
> edit from the MU front panel). They are at best offsets....they are NOT
the
> actual voice parameters stored within the card.
>
> It is for this reason that AN1xEdit does not provide the An1x BULK Request
> button when operating in PLG mode (if it was available, I can assure you
> that I wouldn't have went to the trouble of removing the button in PLG
> mode!!!!!!!!)
>
> It is also for this reason that I provide the PLG150AN preset banks as
.ANP
> files within the An1xEdit installer package.
>
> Obviously, since there is no way to request what is in the PLG150AN ROM, I
> have created these files based on information supplied by Yamaha .....or
to
> put it another way I ripped them out of the PLG150AN editor supplied for
> XGworks use. (Incidentally the XGworks editor is actually based upon my
> AN1xEdit source code....but YCJ saw fit to give it a 'different' interface
> and  unfortunately compromised some of the functionality in the
> process...use it at your peril :-)
>
> Therefore I cannot be certain that what is in my supplied preset files is
> EXACTLY what is in the PLG150AN ROM. i.e. I could not find anyone at
Yamaha
> to give me the ACTUAL ROM data!
>
> Therefore it is as close as you are going to get unless you care to go
> through each voice and do an aural parameter by parameter comparison! If
you
> care to do this, please go ahead...but I had neither the time nor
> inclination to do such a comparison (after all AN1xEdit is primarily for
> creating your own custom voices.... not trying to replicate those that
> Yamaha have already supplied!)
>
> Regarding the earlier questions on getting AN voice data into your
> sequencer. As I explained, the best way is to export from An1xEdit as a
MIDI
> file or as a Cakewalk SYX bank. In either case I would not recommend
sending
> an AN voice bulk mid way through a sequence! The actual sysex is over 1K
> long per voice....and is therefore bound to cause a glitch in your
> sequencers playback! Furthermore the AN device takes a finite time to
> respond to patch changes...so don't expect to be able to switch voices
> quickly on the fly (this applies to both the AN1x keyboard and the
PLG150AN
> card)
>
> My advice would be set up any AN patches at the start of the song (i.e.
> leave a couple of black bars for synth setup prior to the music starting
to
> play). The same is true of general XG synth setup.
>
> If you really want to change AN voices mid song, then you should download
> all required patches to the synth user memory bank at the start of the
song.
> Thereafter you should just use simple program change messages to change
> patch (but again don't expect voice change to be instantaneous....the
> machine has to reconfigure alot of internal DSP parameters on patch
change.
> I have seen user who setup patch changes in Cubase parts and then wonder
why
> the first few notes of the part don't play...the reason is the synth is
> still configuring. So send all patch changes at least half a second before
> you want a note to sound. In the Cubase example this would mean advancing
> the part start time so there is a gap between when the patch is sent and
the
> first note of the part plays.).
>
> Normally I work by constructing a library of my favourite patches within
> An1xEdit. Thereafter I download the whole library to the synth at the
start
> of the day.
>
> Also if you want to provide alot of voice tweaking during a song you
should
> avoid excessive use of sysex (i.e. avoid recording lots of AN1xEdit knob
> movements into your song using Hubis or OMS IAC). Lots of sysex is
> guaranteed to destabilise sequencer playback.
>
> Instead setup the Matrix function of each voice to your preference and use
> standard controllers (they are much faster to transmit and also much
easier
> to edit with standard sequencer controller edit curves and other sequencer
> features).
>
> Regards
>
> Gary
> Email:
>      gary@...
>      http://www.yme.co.uk/yme
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lars.l.arnwald@... [mailto:lars.l.arnwald@...]
> Sent: 07 October 2000 16:56
> To: AN1x-list@egroups.com
> Subject: [AN1x-list] Bulk dumps from PLG150-AN
>
>
> Hello!
>
> It seems my problem is similar but not identical to what has been
> discussed in the Bulk dump thread for the last couple of days.
>
> I'm using my PLG card sitting in a MU100R, the AN1xEdit, and the
> Yamaha CBX driver through the To Host port on the MU. First I tried
> to download the Killerloop patch from the PLGPreset1.anp file.
> Nothing seems to happen, at least not on the MU display. Since I'm
> mostly interested in the SysEx view of the communication between the
> components I recently added the MIDIOX to the chain. It's really a
> great tool. I'm running my PC on Windows NT4 and I can get no
> sequencer to function properly on that OS, so Thank God (or rather
> Jamie and Jerry) for the MIDIOX!
>
> Unfortunately the Request function in the AN1x mode is disabled in
> the PLG mode with the AN1xEdit. Instead I performed the Dump 16 parts
> command with the MU into the MIDIOX. I get such a multitude of bytes,
> so I can't distinguish which is the part 1 I have assigned the PLG
> to. Maybe the Dump 16 parts doesn't include the settings on Plug In
> cards at all.
>
> One of the reasons I've done this work is, that I think the patches
> with PLGPreset files are not same as those sitting in the PLG card.
> Comparing the Killerloop patch loaded into the AN1xEdit with the info
> from the PLG manual regarding the Killer patch on the card doesn't
> produce the same result. This also goes for some other patch
> comparisons with identical names. I'm really interested to get the
> PLG patches into the AN1xEdit, so how am going to do?
>
> Regards,
> Lars
>
>
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