Hi Richie, thanks for the long response. I will bow to your knowledge as I've never actually put my hands on either. I have messed with formant filters and understand (sort of) the science behind a comb filter. Anyway, I agree the cs80 sound is too indulgent for "actual" use. What I'm after is that more brassy sound that still sounds like a string. Something with a clearer attack phase, with the decay remaining somewhat string sounding and with some vibrato. Very much like the brass of an electone( I guess?). It'd be fun to get close to those big sounding home organ sounds and then tweak them from there. I could of course do that with a real d-85 or 415, alas the an1x seems just as well suited, and I've already got one, and it clearly eats less space...... :) I know the voicing is roughly the same, so I figured you'd already have done the grunt work:) I'll scope the cs80 patches and see what I can figure out. I'd also like clone a yc-10 or yc-25 type sound. That sort of plucked string that still sounds like tri/ sine. Good times:) anyway, if there's some patches in the ole library that you could point me towards, I'd be much obliged. Nate On Feb 23, 2012 5:41 PM, "richardon" <richardon@...> wrote: > ** > > > Hi Nate > > Some people think An1x being an Prophet clone. Thats not true. Its an CS80 > clone. I am shure. > You can see it regarding the waveform both machines producing. They are > same > way out of phase. Thats no error, because we dont hear that. Also the ring > modualtion, Ribbon are typically CS80. There is one An1x preset sound that > is close to CS80 brass. But it is using not enough feedback. Feedback ist > changing everything. Emphasing the low frequencies of the Waveforms but > also > totally the behavior of the filter. Making it more resonant like a voice, > a > formantfilter.And thats typicall for CS80. Its alway sounding a little bit > like a voice. Its no problem to test this. Here you ll get the Arturia CS > 80 > Demo for free : > http://www.arturia.com/evolution/en/products/cs-80v/intro.html > I didnt spend too much time with the CS80 Sound. Perhaps you already found > out a trick i used for the mellotron sounds too. Using the digital delay > as > a combfilter (in German Kammfilter) Do you know whats a combfilter ? Its a > filter with a periodical Spectrum > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comb_filter > Its good if you are able to calculate this, but you can just recognice : > If > I am using a digital delay with much feedback i will get a Comb Filter. > And > such a comb filter sounds like a formant filter, like a voice. Just test > it. > Use the CS80 Sound and Digital Delay=127 with Feedback 80. Time 0.1-0.5 > ms. > Now the sound gets even more vocal and vintage. More vintage because such > a > comb filter is producing heavy phase errors like filters in vintage > instruments. > Theres another interesting fact. What is physical modelling ? Its just > using > a lot of digital delays to simulate wave propagation. A Comb Filter line. > Nothing special. > > Other tricks to produce vintage fealing : > (I didnt use for CS80 sound) > > Keypress Detune : > In Polyphonic Analog Synths the Oszillator are rotating. If you press 6 > times a note its always another oszillator you will hear. It makes sense > because then there is no OSC that is used more often than the others an > will > get older because of this reason. > But no analog OSC is perfect in tune and therefore everytime you ll press > a > key tuning changes. > Use the AN1X Matrix : Keyrandom : Scene Detune : around 30 > > Streched Detune : > A piano is an good example for streched detuning. Also Runing of a > mellotron is streched. > Use the AN1X Matrix : Keytrack : Fine Tune OSC 1 / 2 > > Inner Detune : > Using streched detuning only for one OSC, OSC1 and OSC2 will be Keytrack > detuned. > But you can achive the same using a littele bit of FM Modulation. > > Random Detune over Time : > I used this for the mellotrons via Free EG. Speed of the Tape is not > stable. > > Noise : > Thats very important. Always add a little bit of noise to avoid a digital > Charakter. An1x provides white noise. A bandpass noise would be better. In > some cases you ll have to create this via FM Modulation. I did this for > the > Mellotron Flute. > > Yamaha GX1 > Thats the famous Yamaha Elecone Organ including an CS80 > > Yamaha GS1 > Thats an mixture of DX7, Clavianova including analog filter functions ? > I germany its very famous becauase of this song : > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Llvc4TMWphI&feature=related > I emulated the GS1 sound already on my Triton LE. > Demo GS1 Triton Le > http://home.arcor.de/richardon/2008/tanz.mp3 > > Would be no problem for An1x > But i never use the sound on stage. I dont like it :-) > > Cheers > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nate King" <nate@...> > To: <AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 4:25 AM > Subject: [AN1x] Electone patches > > Hihi > > Richie's patches( mellotron, epianos , and cs-80) have me wondering if > there's any good electone style patches out there. Like ex-1, gx-1, d-80 > etc. I've been really looking for that brassy string sound of late. For a > point of reference, YouTube metronomy "the looks". > I haven't tinkered with the cs-80 patches much lately, so it's possible I > should just tweak those. > And if not, I'll work on them and share. I'm just looking for the easy way > out late on a monday night. > > Thanks and happy synth-ing! > nate > On Feb 20, 2012 8:56 PM, "Bastiaan Van de werk" <vandewerk@...> > wrote: > > > ** > > > > > > Thanks for the tip. It would be nice though to > > be able to manage patches a bit more elegantly... I don't care much for > > editing on a computer (I'm quite comfortable on the An1x myself) but it > > would be nice to be able > > to have a librarian of sorts allowing me to send / receive patches to / > > from specific locations so I can assemble banks of my favorite sounds. > > > > I have OSX Lion but a Win7 Partition on my iMac as well - it would suck > to > > have to use an old machine just to upload banks of patches though.... > > > > OSX seems out of the question though... :( > > > > Any tips? > > > > --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, Chris Gregory <chris@...> wrote: > > > > > > C6 does a good job: http://www.elektron.se/support-and-downloads > > > > > > Yes, they really are fantastic sounds. They sound more musical than > > > any mellotron samples I've ever come across. > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > On 19 February 2012 02:47, bas <bastiaan@...> wrote: > > > > I've just listened to these demos after not having used my An1x for 2 > > years or so.... > > > > > > > > * JAWDROPPER * > > > > > > > > I thought that I knew my An1x quite well including the range of > sounds > > one can coax from it but this is beyond anything I thought possible..... > > > > > > > > Now I need to find a way to import these patches using OSC 10.7 > > > > > > > > --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "denis_mathys2001" > > <denis_mathys2001@> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Wonderful job! The sounds are so soulful and inspiring. Many thanks > > for sharing them. > > > >> > > > >> --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "richardon" <richardon@> wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > Hi > > > >> > > > > >> > Actually i completed my An1X Mellotron project and posted the > > results to the AN1X yahoo folder. > > > >> > The sounds are tested and adjusted to the templates with an > > Dynacord 12/2 Keymonitor. > > > >> > The file contains : > > > >> > > > > >> > Violins+Brass (Watcher of the skies) > > > >> > Violins > > > >> > Flute > > > >> > Flute+Strings > > > >> > Male choir > > > >> > Female Choir > > > >> > Cello > > > >> > Cello+Violins > > > >> > Mandoline > > > >> > Strings+Choir > > > >> > > > > >> > I implemented unfiltered Mellotrons. Unsing the Modulation wheel > > you will get filtered versions > > > >> > The Modulation wheel will also increase reverb, blend two sounds > > and do other stuff. > > > >> > The Pitch bender simulates the Mellotron Tape speed. > > > >> > The Ribbon X increaeses Reverb. > > > >> > Mellotron is dynamically concerning Attack times. Thats easy to do > > with AN1X. > > > >> > Some decent note off effects are programmed too. > > > >> > > > > >> > Some Demos : > > > >> > > > > >> > Violins+Brass (Watcher of the skies) In der Endversion doch noch > > etwas "entschaerft". > > > >> > http://home.arcor.de/richardon/2012/watcher.mp3 > > > >> > > > > >> > Cello : > > > >> > http://home.arcor.de/richardon/2011/cello.mp3 > > > >> > > > > >> > Female+Strings, Male, Female (plus boys), Mandoline : > > > >> > http://home.arcor.de/richardon/2012/mello2012.mp3 > > > >> > > > > >> > Strawberry Floete : > > > >> > http://home.arcor.de/richardon/2011/melflute.mp3 > > > >> > > > > >> > Have fun with your new Mellotron An1X . > > > >> > > > > >> > Ciao > > > >> > richy > > > >> > > > > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Community email addresses: > > > > � Post message: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com > > > > � Subscribe: � � AN1x-list-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > � Unsubscribe: � AN1x-list-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > � List owner: � AN1x-list-owner@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Shortcut URL to this page: > > > > � http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AN1x-list > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Chris Gregory > > > --- > > > chris@... > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ > > Community email addresses: > Post message: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com > Subscribe: AN1x-list-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > Unsubscribe: AN1x-list-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > List owner: AN1x-list-owner@yahoogroups.com > > Shortcut URL to this page: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AN1x-list > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: [AN1x] Electone patches
2012-02-24 by Nate King