I've got 2 BCR controllers (I use them to program my JX3p and 8P). They work 'great', but are a bit over sized, smaller would be nicer. They also do midi merging for you, I often run a sequencer to the BCR then thru to the JX-3P thus allowing the notes to play while I also tweak the parameters (filter etc) Get a 2nd hand on on ebay rather than new, the midi is reliable, the USB is flaky (connector can break at back etc) - if you are just using it as I do then 'midi only' is fine - you can program it from the PC via midi also (or 'self learn' from the gear by moving the parameter of interest while assigning to the control on the BCR). > To: AN1x-list@...m > From: jf.serviere@... > Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 19:56:46 +0200 > Subject: Re: [AN1x] bring all the power to real life > > Holá Nicolas! > is it this one ? > http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/BCR2000.aspx > What's about the keyboard? You have another one ? > In this case you have to get a small accessory called a MIDI merger to > "mix" MIDI codes from the keyboard and the Behringer BCR knobs to your > AN 200. "Keyboards with knobs" do that "naturally"... on another hand > basic mergers are cheap... but often "filter" MIDI messages other than > notes, velocity and program change, because of the lack of speed and > memory of the µPs inside. > Cheers. > J.F. > > Nicolás Marquestó a écrit : > > > > Jeff, thanks again for your time, i´m learning a lot in this days. > > si was thinking in the behringer bcr for midi control, what do you > > thing of this one? > > > > --- El jue 29-abr-10, Jeff <jf.serviere@... > > <mailto:jf.serviere%40wanadoo.fr>> escribió: > > > > De: Jeff <jf.serviere@... <mailto:jf.serviere%40wanadoo.fr>> > > Asunto: Re: [AN1x] bring all the power to real life > > Para: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AN1x-list%40yahoogroups.com> > > Fecha: jueves, 29 de abril de 2010, 17:43 > > > > Nicolás Marquestó a écrit : > > > > > > Hello Jeff !! > > > First of all, thank you for the answere, i´m very happy with this new, > > > there is a whole world inside this little box. I dont know if it sound > > > good or bad because is my first synth, but i´m learning a lot of the > > > substractive world with it and the posibility of controlling other > > > things/parameters such as the LF2, PWM, Ring Modulator, etc. could > > > open a whole new conception of "know How". > > > Do you know where can i find a tutorial or something like that in > > > order to learn how to program a midi controller and the synth?, i´m a > > > newby on this world and i feel lost with all the midi stuff. i have > > > the complete manual with the "data sheet" with the midi implementation > > > but i dont understand a single word. > > > I´m thinking on buying a M-audio Oxygen 25, do you know if this > > > controller cound bring the hidden stuff to my hands or maybe i look > > > for another one? > > > Thanks again for you time and patience! > > > Cheers from Argentina!!!! > > > > > Hello Nicolas ! > > i don't know very much the AN200, for me it's half an AN1x without > > keyboard plus 4 extra rythm tracks and some percussion sounds. IMHO the > > AN1x sounds very well compared to other "virtual analog synths" (i have > > one, plus a Red Sound Elevata and i've tried others similar instruments > > before, Roland JP 8000, Virus...). The AN1x is a little less "user > > friendly" (multi function knobs and switches) than its competitors but > > nothing awful...such as the AN200. > > MIDI is a communication protocol between electronic instruments, > > something like a "musical RS 232" on the hardware part, because it is a > > serial port, and a "common language" between all these different > > instruments and software(s). Computer analogy : basic, C++, java etc... > > MIDI knows 16 "channels" which are not physical but logical, like an > > internet or computer memory address. For exemple if you send notes on > > the channel 13 only the instrument(s) listening at this address play, > > others stay quiet even if they are "hooked on the same cable" > > Some MIDI messages are understood by any instrument, mostly the note, > > velocity (= strength) and to some extent after touch (but an electronic > > piano has no aftertouch capability, nor some old synths). > > Others are "system exclusive" messages, that means "dedicated to one > > instrument and ignored by others". MIDI system exclusive messages begin > > by a "system exclusive code" followed by the instrument identifier > > (brand - type ....), all the instrument specific data you want to send > > and end by an "end of S.E. message" code. I don't remember the > > hexadecimal values, sorry... Typically this is the structure of the > > sound patches you want to load in your synth from a computer or store in > > the opposite way. > > In between you have the "system common" messages, for example "progam > > change" . If you send a "progam change 54" on the channel 10, all the > > instruments listening on this channel will jump on the patch n° 54 no > > matter what is their brand and model. > > You can have more details on MIDI on Wikipedia or other websites. > > About substractive synthesis... as the name says you remove some > > harmonics by filtering an electronic signal. The most popular, available > > on most synths because they are easy to produce : sawtooth, square, > > triangle, sine... this refers to the waveform of the signal. Each has a > > different harmonic content , i.e. sine has no harmonics , square only > > odd harmonics ... leading to different type of sounds. > > Sine gives a very dull sound, triangle sounds a bit like a wood flute, > > saw sounds like strings or brass, square waves can emulate a pipe organ > > or an oboe... Suggestion : take one of the sounds of your AN200, get > > into the edit mode and change only the waveform of the VCOs, then listen. > > PWM applies to the square wave and changes its duty cycle periodically > > with a LFO for example, changing its harmonic content (extreme duty > > cycles add some even harmonics) > > Ring modulation multiplies 2 waveforms giving birth to "unharmonic > > harmonics", very useful for example to emulate bells, cymbals or add a > > "metallic edge" to a sound depending on the level of modulation. > > That's all for the"electronics course" this evening...once again you can > > visit Wikipedia, at the page "sound synthesis techniques". > > > > Tutorial : i have something called "AN1x voice setup guide" somewhere in > > my computer, i'll send it to you directly if i can remember where is the > > file. Of course the split or dual layer sound are out of reach of the > > AN200 but the sound examples are well explained, how to do, why choose a > > saw and not a triangle, what does an enveloppe, a LFO etc.. etc... > > > > M Audio "Oxygen 25" : i'm afraid it has no MIDI out socket, only USB, > > and the AN200 has no USB ... The similar M-Audio "Axiom 25" has both USB > > AND MIDI ports : if you want only 25 keys, take this one... > > Cheers. > > J.F. > > > > > > > > > --- El mar 27-abr-10, Jeff <jf.serviere@... > > <mailto:jf.serviere%40wanadoo.fr> > > > <mailto:jf.serviere%40wanadoo.fr>> escribió: > > > > > > De: Jeff <jf.serviere@wanadoo.fr <mailto:jf.serviere%40wanadoo.fr> > > <mailto:jf.serviere%40wanadoo.fr>> > > > Asunto: Re: [AN1x] bring all the power to real life > > > Para: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AN1x-list%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:AN1x-list%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Fecha: martes, 27 de abril de 2010, 15:53 > > > > > > Hello doc' ! > > > you're right : you can buy a MIDI keyboard with some extra knobs and > > > switches to get a deeper access to your AN200 parameters without any > > > computer. And of course to play it with real keys... > > > BUT ... > > > 1) be sure that your future keyboard's knobs are user programmable, i.e. > > > you can address a specific MIDI control inside your sound box not > > > available from the front panel with a dedicated switch or knob on the > > > keyboard. > > > 2)be sure that you have the complete manual and MIDI implementation > > > chart of both the AN200 and the keyboard in order to program all that > > > stuff . > > > 3) maybe the most important thing : some master keyboards have only an > > > USB i/o, not the traditionnal MIDI in and MIDI out ports, because > > > they're intended to control "virtual synth" softwares on a computer and > > > not a hardware instrument such as the AN200. > > > And don't forget to keep cool once you have your new keyboard, > > > programming the knobs can be a little time consuming. > > > Some affordable gear : look at M-Audio or CME master keyboards. > > > Cheers > > > J.F. > > > > > > dr_saraza_atiende a écrit : > > > > > > > > hi there, last week i bought a yamaha an200, is my firts synthesizer > > > > and i´m learning a lot of things with this box, i´m very happy with > > > > the overall sound, althougt i dont have other machine to compare to. > > > > since i read the manual there is a question that is eating me: Can i > > > > bring all the synthesis potential back to real life not using the > > > > software?. Im a live musician so, i dont want to be tight to a > > > > computer to get all the programing hability out. So i was thinking on > > > > buying a midi controller in order to have a keyboard to play. But when > > > > i realized that this box has hidden things like: ring modulator, pwm, > > > > LF2, etc. the idea of controlling this hidden things from knobs in the > > > > midi keyboard suddenly appear. 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RE: [AN1x] bring all the power to real life
2010-05-13 by Paul T