Great stuff! Thanks for both of your comments. It sounds like you are
both agreed the an1x sounds more like older analogue synths than the
novation stuff.. Looks like I might need to buy a novation synth too
if I need that modern sounding bite!! But for now I am really enjoying
the an1x - particularly the keyboard, which being used to a relatively
cheap midi controller up until now, seems really amazingly good.
James
On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 8:10 PM, Juan Pablo Cuervo
<audioprof2001@...> wrote:
both agreed the an1x sounds more like older analogue synths than the
novation stuff.. Looks like I might need to buy a novation synth too
if I need that modern sounding bite!! But for now I am really enjoying
the an1x - particularly the keyboard, which being used to a relatively
cheap midi controller up until now, seems really amazingly good.
James
On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 8:10 PM, Juan Pablo Cuervo
<audioprof2001@...> wrote:
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> i disagree,
> its not about good or bad...
> its about personal taste,
> you like green apples ? i dont, too sour for my taste
> i like mustard!, you dont?
> you like tb303? i sold mine becouse i was not 100% happy,
> to me Yamaha PLG150-AN recreates/emulates the same tb-303 sound, or one i
> like even more, i only miss the slow knobs,
> anyway, i like more the D-50 recreating a tb303, than the actual tb303
> sound,
> personal taste,
> simple as that....
>
> reading the access virus powercore manual its awesome, but when i listen
> the virus i dont like it, i only like 2 or 3 sounds in all the libraries!
> not crazy about it
> its just personal taste
> what does that mean?
>
> that i think the waveforms sound is more important than the filter sound,
> opposite to most others may think,
> becouse a bad sounding filter can be recreated later in signal chain with
> another external filter, like audiodamage dr.device, bassementarts
> franticfilter, korg ms20fx, sonic core interpole, sonicprojects.ch opx,
> sonictimeworks eq1, etc... but oscillator waveforms cannot
> thats why is so faouse the yamaha DX100/7/etc.. sound + mutonix mutator
>
> something like rebirth 338 v2.01 the tb303 + the PatternControlledFilter
> sometimes it sounds like a whole new tb303
>
> just listen the waveforn diference, some are SAME PACHES on diferent
> synths:
> Novation A/V/K waveforms:
>
> http://www.vengeance-storage.com/www.vengeance-sound.de%20-%20Club%204k%20Part%201%20-%20V-Station%20Soundset.mp3
> vs.
> Yamaha AN waveforms:
>
> http://www.vengeance-storage.com/www.vengeance-sound.de%20-%20CosmicX%20-%20Cs6x+An1xBoard%20Soundset.mp3
> vs.
> Korg waveforms:
>
> http://www.vengeance-storage.com/www.vengeance-sound.de%20-%20Korg%20Legacy%20Soundset%20by%20Manuel%20Schleis.mp3
> vs.
> Roland jp8000 waveforms:
>
> http://www.vengeance-storage.com/www.vengeance-sound.de%20-%20X-Plorations%20vol%202%20-%20JP80x0%20Soundset%20by%20Manuel%20Schleis.mp3
> vs.
> Roland Sh-101 waveforms:
>
> http://www.vengeance-storage.com/www.vengeance-sound.de%20-%20Analog%20Essentials%20-%20TC%20Powercore01%20Soundset%20by%20Manuel%20Schleis.mp3
> vs.
> Steinberg A1 waveforms & ring mod. "waldorf vsti made for steinberg nuendo"
> i like the chorus & ringmod a lot!
>
> http://www.vengeance-storage.com/www.vengeance-sound.de%20-%20A1%20Soundset%20by%20Manuel%20Schleis.mp3
> vs.
> Oddity waveforms "oddity is a digital ver. of arp oddisey an arp oddisey is
> a fixed & smaller "portable" version of arp2600"
>
> http://www.vengeance-storage.com/www.vengeance-sound.de%20-%20Oddity%20Mini-Bass%20Soundset%20by%20Manuel%20Schleis.mp3
> vs.
> Waldorf Q/MicroQ/Komplexer VSTi waveforms
>
> http://www.vengeance-storage.com/www.vengeance-sound.de%20-%20Q%20Trilogy%20vol%202%20-%20Q-MicroQ%20Soundset%20by%20Manuel%20Schleis.mp3
> vs.
> Access Virus Access Virus a/b/c/rack/PoCo/TDM/Indigo/TI
>
> http://www.vengeance-storage.com/www.vengeance-sound.de%20-%20Incubation%20V3%20-%20Virus%20C%20Soundset%20by%20Manuel%20Schleis.mp3
>
> etc...
> http://www.vengeance-sound.de/eng/indexFLASH.html
>
> vanguard, nexus, quasimidi polymorph, cakewalk raptor, zeta, etc..
> are sampled based oscillators
> but sampled based osc. sound also diferent
> becouse how the samples were made , what AD was used, what wordclock, etc..
> not all arp sounds the same, etc...not all korg ms20 sound the same, etc...
> some record to tape first, some dont, what tape was used, etc...
> becouse the Sample playback engine quality
> .search &...listen tape808 samples and you will hear every VSTi/DXi/Rewire
> sampler sounds diferent with same samples!
> etc...
>
> i disagree on novation not as good as yamaha, it is just diferent
> A=K=V
> B not= V
> dont know about X or Xio
> but Xio if it a has 32 waveforms it means its probably sample based Osc. =
> diferent than A/K/V sound
> but probably similar to B with 10 note polyphony
>
> V-Station has 3x poly pure digital Oscillator waveform generator = it
> sounds diferent
> B-Staton has 2x sampled Osc. mono waveform generator from Roland tb-303
> samples or similar sh-101 or juno-60 etc...,
> make same patch in both, same everything it will sound diferent <--------
>
> V-Station cannot make B-Station sounds and backwards, waveforms are totally
> diferent
> pure digital Square is not analog Square from roland or korg or oberheim
> Saw its not Saw, etc...
>
> X-station has Multi-effects Processor
> A total of 6 effects per channel can be applied simultaneously to the
> onboard synthesizer and/or audio input(s)
> K has vocoder,
> V has no audio input, no vocoder :(
> dont know if Xio has that. <-------------------- = read the manual .pdf
>
> on the other hand.....
> Yamaha Analog Physical Modeling has 2x digital pure digital waveform
> generator "VirtualAnalog VCOscillators"
> with EDGE & velocity knobs that makes them sound not pure digital = it
> emulates the slew rate in some moog & roland oscillaor generator easy!, but
> also has its own unique sounds similar to prophet5
> also yamaha has multi saw, that is a similar Yamaha version of roland super
> saw
> or Roland Supersaw is a verson of Yamaha MultiSaw,
> anyway,, its not about who made it first
> its about personal taste
>
> to me Yamaha AN its a 2osc. poly mix/blend between Prophet5, Moog & Roland
> with added features like ring modulator & feedback from arp2600 probably!
> or a moog or emu modular that has a ringmod.
>
> Novation V/K vengenace patches sound great but are not retro! will never
> sound retro becouse the oscillaors are too pure!
> Korg Legacy AE2007 Polysix has a super nice retro square waveform, for my
> taste...
> but the trend in global music , groups like justice, does not sound retro
> to me
>
> from novation:
> http://www.novationmusic.com/products/midi_control/xio/
> Xio is the only Novation synthesiser to feature the X-Gator patch
> programmer. The X-Gator can be made to gate each patch to create unique
> 16-32 step rhythmic patterns for every onboard sound, all automatically
> synchronised to MIDI clock from a sequencer; just press and hold one key to
> groove along to a track with style. A display shows clearly the position and
> volume of each and every step
>
> Specifications
> Synthesizer
> One part, 10-voice polyphonic
> 3 Oscillators, 17 Waveforms
> 2 LFOs, 32 Waveforms
> Multimode resonant filter section with various filter options
> Extensive modulation capabilities
> Arpeggiator with latch
> X-GATOR with latch
> Direct streaming of synth into computer via USB
>
> Keyboard
> Keys: 25 or 49
> Type: Semi-weighted
> Velocity curves: 7
>
> Pitch and mod wheel mechanism
> Pitch wheel lever: Rubberised - centre return spring loaded left to right
> motion
> Mod/control lever: Rubberised - spring loaded front to back motion
>
> X/Y touchpad
> Touchpad: 1 x touch sensitive 45x60mm
> Parameters: 2 assignable in X direction
> 2 assignable in Y direction
>
> LCD display
> LCD: 2 x 16 character silver
> Blue LED backlit
>
> MIDI interfacing
> MIDI: 1 MIDI Out
> USB MIDI: 1 In/1 Out
>
> Audio Interfacing
> Inputs: 1 XLR (with phantom power)
> 1 TS Jack
> Outputs: 2 TS Jack (L/R)
> 1 stereo Headphones Jack
>
> Other interfacing
> Data ports: 1 x USB 1.1
> Sustain pedal: 1 x 1/4" Jack Input
>
> Controls
> Rotary potentiometers: 11, 0-270° rotation
> Rotary encoders: 1, 360° continuous DATA wheel
> Buttons: 11 function switches
> Group B switch
> General operation: 4 Mode and Menu select buttons
> Keyboard Octave Up and Down buttons
> Synth Menus/Audio mode select button
> Effect Select buttons (Synth Mode)
> Template/Bank/Page Up/Down buttons
> Line/Phones Volume pots
>
> General
> Battery operation: 6 x standard 'AA' Size
> External power supply: Standard 'centre positive' 9V DC 600mA (Novation
> PSU6)
> Size (25): 468 x 68 x 190 (mm) w x h x d
> Size (49): 798 x 68 x 190 (mm) w x h x d
> Weight (25/49): 1.4/1.6kg
>
> System requirements
> Operating system: Mac OSX 10.2.4 or greater or Windows XP (32- and 64- bit
> Vista compatible)
> Computer spec: Apple G3/400 GHz or Pentium 600 MHz or better
> Interfacing: USB 1.1 compatible USB connector
>
> Templates (16 preset onboard, more available on Novation website)
> 1. Apple – Logic 7
> 2. Steinberg – Cubase SX3
> 3. Ableton – Live 5
> 4. Cakewalk – Sonar
> 5. Native Instruments - Absynth 3
> 6. Native Instruments - B4
> 7. Native Instruments - FM7
> 8. Native Instruments - Pro53
> 9. Gmedia - Oddity
> 10. Novation V-Station
> 11. Novation Bass Station
> 12. reFX – Vanguard
> 13. Linplug – Albino 2
> 14. Gmedia - Minimonsta
> 15. Spectrasonics - Atmosphere & Trilogy
> 16. User Template
>
> Reviews
> Music Tech review quotes
> December 2006
>
> "The Xio is a combination of the ideas implemented in other Novation
> keyboards, and aims to fulfil multiple performing and recording needs with a
> minimum of cabling and fuss."
>
> "If the interface and control features of the Xio are its brain, then the
> synth is its soul. Novation is renowned for authentic, gritty electronic
> sounds, and there's no shortage of them here."
>
> "The Xio is an excellent synth in its own right, powerful and gritty enough
> to hold its own on stage, and crisp enough to stand out in the studio."
>
> "For power and true portability at a reasonable price, the Xio is hard to
> beat."
>
> Xcite+ Pack
> Novation likes to set the standards, and their latest bundled software
> collection is no exception.
>
> 'Xcite+' comes on a DVD-ROM filled to the brim with royalty-free loops and
> samples alongside a host of powerful applications ideal for getting the new
> user started, or to expand the experienced user's creative toolbox.
>
> The bundle includes:
>
> Ableton Live Lite 6
> Novation Bass Station
> Waldorf PPG Wave Lite classic synth
> Arturia Analog Factory SE plug-in
> Waldorf's D-Pole Lite FX classic filter plug-in
> FXpansion's powerful 'BFD Ultra lite' acoustic drum plug-in and a demo
> version of the 'Guru' sample player with library
> Waldorf's 'Attack Lite' analogue drum module plug-in
> 'Mike the Drummer' A collection of 572 inspiring and original live drum
> loops
> Free 3 months membership for 'i-dance'- Global XS Artist
>
> Novation-class Synthesizer
> 10-voice mono-timbral engine with multi-effects processor and 200 massive
> sounds.
>
> High Profile User Patches
> 60 cool sounds from internationally-renowned artists and producers across a
> variety of musical genres
> 24-bit Audio Interface
> Ultra-low latency 2 In/2 Out audio interface for high quality recording and
> playback; includes 1 XLR input with phantom power
> MIDI Controller
> Unrivalled MIDI controller with a host of assignable controls, 16 onboard
> Templates and hybrid modes for simultaneous synthesizing/controlling.
> 2-D Controls
> Fantastic 'Xpression' pad and pitch/mod joystick, both freely assignable in
> MIDI Controlling mode; allow 6 parameters to be tweaked at once!
> USB/Battery Power
> USB bus-powering is available, as well as optional battery (AA)/PSU
> operation, making the keyboard highly portable
>
>
> nung242 <nung242@...> wrote:
> I have a K-station, and an AN1x. The sound of the k-station is comparable
> to the Xio.
> If you are looking for a good controller with direct computer connection
> and a decent VA sysnth built in, the Xio synth will do fine.
> If you want a VA synth that sounds IMHO as good as a Nord, Virus A or a
> roland JP8000, the AN1x is the way to go. And is 4 octaves, great for live
> use.
> Even if you are not a sound designer, there are so many banks available on
> the net, you will be able to find the sounds you need for your music. : )
>
> lunadog93 <jamesmstone@...> wrote: Hi there,
>
> Has anyone tried the Novation xiosynth? How does it compare to the an1x?
>
> James
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