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Model 222e how many of you have this?

Model 222e how many of you have this?

2008-04-01 by cray5656

I am still waying up if its worth getting the larger 18WLS or stay
with a compact 12WLS.

I am thinking about the 222e to cover the bottom row 

Just wondering how many of you Buchla owners have the 222e or will get
one in the future....Should I be using the 222e space for something
else.....I just want to create abstract electronics, but i guess thats
what we all do with the Buchlas :-)

12WLS
250e AFG 
281 QUAD FUNCTION GEN
261 Complex VCO x2	or better a 259 and 261
266 SOU	
292 QUAD DYNAMICS	
291 TRIPLE MORPH FILTER	
222e

The plus side of getting the 12WLS is that its cheaper and I can focus
on buying more of the euro modules to complete my euro system

The plus side is if I buy the 18WLS I can get more modules in the future.

Its such an unknown for me at the moment as I have never seen /heard
the Buchla in the flesh, and I DO REALLY WANT ONE.

I have noe emailed Buchla twice with no reply and tried to call
yesterday Monday my time but it was Sunday in Cali, and today I left
it too late to call...

Any more expert advice would be welcome, sorry to bother people with
noob questions

Re: [200e] Model 222e how many of you have this?

2008-04-01 by da108@telus.net

well, the 12 boat is more cute...!

aside from that,
 personally I am getting the 12-boat, with 10 panels filled (and have 
Cyndustries upcoming ZOe on order as well), and I feel more than sure it will 
be PLENTY for just me to learn and make noises for years to come.

yet having said that -- if I had more money I would probably have gotten the 18.




Quoting cray5656 <amni56@tpg.com.au>:
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> I am still waying up if its worth getting the larger 18WLS or stay
> with a compact 12WLS.
> 
> I am thinking about the 222e to cover the bottom row 
> 
> Just wondering how many of you Buchla owners have the 222e or will get
> one in the future....Should I be using the 222e space for something
> else.....I just want to create abstract electronics, but i guess thats
> what we all do with the Buchlas :-)
> 
> 12WLS
> 250e AFG 
> 281 QUAD FUNCTION GEN
> 261 Complex VCO x2	or better a 259 and 261
> 266 SOU	
> 292 QUAD DYNAMICS	
> 291 TRIPLE MORPH FILTER	
> 222e
> 
> The plus side of getting the 12WLS is that its cheaper and I can focus
> on buying more of the euro modules to complete my euro system
> 
> The plus side is if I buy the 18WLS I can get more modules in the future.
> 
> Its such an unknown for me at the moment as I have never seen /heard
> the Buchla in the flesh, and I DO REALLY WANT ONE.
> 
> I have noe emailed Buchla twice with no reply and tried to call
> yesterday Monday my time but it was Sunday in Cali, and today I left
> it too late to call...
> 
> Any more expert advice would be welcome, sorry to bother people with
> noob questions 
> 
>

Re: Model 222e how many of you have this?

2008-04-02 by tmeade1974

I have a 222e and I'd say that if you are interested in one you will
definitely want the 18WLS.
I started with a 6 boat and swore I'd never be able to afford more but
I've only got 2 spaces left on the 18WLS and I don't even have a 227e.
 I know it won't be long before I find myself getting another boat or
(gosh) a 12WLS.
Also, like you I didn't see the need for saving patches (never could
b4, right).  But the 225e is a key component to the 200e.  I'd be
happy to list them if you want.  B&A have done a great job with
individual modules saving their current settings but I can't tell you
how great this baby is.  And if you are getting the 222e... well, I'd
say you have to have a 225e to save all of the different configs.

-tom


--- In 200e@yahoogroups.com, "cray5656" <amni56@...> wrote:
>
> I am still waying up if its worth getting the larger 18WLS or stay
> with a compact 12WLS.
> 
> I am thinking about the 222e to cover the bottom row 
> 
> Just wondering how many of you Buchla owners have the 222e or will get
> one in the future....Should I be using the 222e space for something
> else.....I just want to create abstract electronics, but i guess thats
> what we all do with the Buchlas :-)
> 
> 12WLS
> 250e AFG 
> 281 QUAD FUNCTION GEN
> 261 Complex VCO x2	or better a 259 and 261
> 266 SOU	
> 292 QUAD DYNAMICS	
> 291 TRIPLE MORPH FILTER	
> 222e
> 
> The plus side of getting the 12WLS is that its cheaper and I can focus
> on buying more of the euro modules to complete my euro system
> 
> The plus side is if I buy the 18WLS I can get more modules in the
future.
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> 
> Its such an unknown for me at the moment as I have never seen /heard
> the Buchla in the flesh, and I DO REALLY WANT ONE.
> 
> I have noe emailed Buchla twice with no reply and tried to call
> yesterday Monday my time but it was Sunday in Cali, and today I left
> it too late to call...
> 
> Any more expert advice would be welcome, sorry to bother people with
> noob questions
>

Re: Model 222e how many of you have this?

2008-04-03 by wiardmodular

"tmeade1974" <tmeade1974@...> wrote:
>
> I have a 222e 

You are the first person I've noticed on this list to post that they 
actually have a 222e in hand.  

I hope this means they are starting to roll off the assembly line.

Curious what your impressions are of the module.  How easy is it to 
program?   How smooth are the 3d rings as control sources? Any nifty 
tricks with it to look forward to? 

Thanks

Chris

Re: Model 222e how many of you have this?

2008-04-06 by tmeade1974

I LOVE it!  I never tried a Thunder or Lighting, so I cannot compare it to those.  It is 
extremely flexible, which is why I recommended to the original poster that he get a 225e.  
That said, the interface is really intuitive.   
Basically, there is a page that lets you assign keys to trigger up to 5 pulses.  These pulses 
come out of jacks 1 -5. 
The main page for controlling what is sent out of the keys is the radio grouping page.  
There are 4 groups.  You can start by choosing what keys are assigned to each group. 
Once you establish that, there are 4 outputs for each group.  Each has a pulse output. 
Then there is an output for location, pressure and impact.  You select which one you want 
from the output by choosing I, L, or P from the menu.  The next menu on the page 
corresponds to the next jack, which is the CV jack.  This is where you assign the voltage 
output from each key in the group.  You have control over 0.01 V increments... allowing 
for very precise tuning.  Obviously, this is where you could spend a bit of time configuring 
it so that is why I would really recommend that you have a 225e.  The last menu item/jack 
can be set to output a CV or location.  If set to location, it will output 0-10V over the 
entire range of the key/ribbon.  CV will let you assign the CV amount in the same manor 
as the last jack.
Want polyphony?  The next page lets you select how many voices.  If you select 2 voice 
polyphony, the settings  from the first group are output by the next.  Easy.
The rings also get a page on the UI to determine if they will toggle or sustain by using one 
of the keys on the upper corners of the touch controller.
SO.. I don't want to repeat what is already on the 222e page at b&a or paraphrase the 
manual.. but hopefully this gives you an idea of what goes into setting up a patch.  The 
first few days I had it I didn't have the docs and was able to sus it out right away (credit to 
b&a, not me:)
Is it smooth?  Yes.  Both the rings and keys will sweep smoothly over the full 0-10 voltage 
range without any audible "stepping" as it has been called here b4.
IMHO, the 200e has found its heart in this module.  In the short time I've had it, it has 
changed the way that I approach exploring and playing electronic instruments.  Amazing!

Anyone else get theirs? 

---tom


--- In 200e@yahoogroups.com, "wiardmodular" <wiardmodular@...> wrote:
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>
>  "tmeade1974" <tmeade1974@> wrote:
> >
> > I have a 222e 
> 
> You are the first person I've noticed on this list to post that they 
> actually have a 222e in hand.  
> 
> I hope this means they are starting to roll off the assembly line.
> 
> Curious what your impressions are of the module.  How easy is it to 
> program?   How smooth are the 3d rings as control sources? Any nifty 
> tricks with it to look forward to? 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Chris
>

Re: Model 222e how many of you have this?

2008-04-06 by tmeade1974

Ah, so after a private inquiry based on my last post (re:222e) I need to clarify one of my 
comments in regards to the "smoothness" of the keys and rings.  I don't know the 
resolution of the sensors, but yes, there are some incremental shifts if you sweep a key 
over the full range.  That said, the keys are VERY sensitive, and I don't have the steadiest 
hand, it seems that I can always find an inbetween voltage by lifting or moving my finger, 
so the increments must be very small, smaller than the 210e for sure, and smaller than the 
256e I'd guess.  But again, I don't know the exact amount so its silly for me to guess.  
I just want to be clear, as I know this issue of "smooth" and "stepped" is a sensitive one 
around here and for me, it is a subjective one.  Yet, I don't want to mislead anyone either.

With the rings btw... I haven't been able to hear any incremental changes.   Again, I'm sure 
there must be at some point but I can't hear it.

So apologies to anyone that I have confused.  I'll stick to playing and leave the technical 
explanations to b&a.
Cheers,
--tom


--- In 200e@yahoogroups.com, "tmeade1974" <tmeade1974@...> wrote:
>
> I LOVE it!  I never tried a Thunder or Lighting, so I cannot compare it to those.  It is 
> extremely flexible, which is why I recommended to the original poster that he get a 
225e.  
> That said, the interface is really intuitive.   
> Basically, there is a page that lets you assign keys to trigger up to 5 pulses.  These 
pulses 
> come out of jacks 1 -5. 
> The main page for controlling what is sent out of the keys is the radio grouping page.  
> There are 4 groups.  You can start by choosing what keys are assigned to each group. 
> Once you establish that, there are 4 outputs for each group.  Each has a pulse output. 
> Then there is an output for location, pressure and impact.  You select which one you 
want 
> from the output by choosing I, L, or P from the menu.  The next menu on the page 
> corresponds to the next jack, which is the CV jack.  This is where you assign the voltage 
> output from each key in the group.  You have control over 0.01 V increments... allowing 
> for very precise tuning.  Obviously, this is where you could spend a bit of time 
configuring 
> it so that is why I would really recommend that you have a 225e.  The last menu 
item/jack 
> can be set to output a CV or location.  If set to location, it will output 0-10V over the 
> entire range of the key/ribbon.  CV will let you assign the CV amount in the same manor 
> as the last jack.
> Want polyphony?  The next page lets you select how many voices.  If you select 2 voice 
> polyphony, the settings  from the first group are output by the next.  Easy.
> The rings also get a page on the UI to determine if they will toggle or sustain by using 
one 
> of the keys on the upper corners of the touch controller.
> SO.. I don't want to repeat what is already on the 222e page at b&a or paraphrase the 
> manual.. but hopefully this gives you an idea of what goes into setting up a patch.  The 
> first few days I had it I didn't have the docs and was able to sus it out right away (credit 
to 
> b&a, not me:)
> Is it smooth?  Yes.  Both the rings and keys will sweep smoothly over the full 0-10 
voltage 
> range without any audible "stepping" as it has been called here b4.
> IMHO, the 200e has found its heart in this module.  In the short time I've had it, it has 
> changed the way that I approach exploring and playing electronic instruments.  
Amazing!
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> 
> Anyone else get theirs? 
> 
> ---tom
> 
> 
> --- In 200e@yahoogroups.com, "wiardmodular" <wiardmodular@> wrote:
> >
> >  "tmeade1974" <tmeade1974@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I have a 222e 
> > 
> > You are the first person I've noticed on this list to post that they 
> > actually have a 222e in hand.  
> > 
> > I hope this means they are starting to roll off the assembly line.
> > 
> > Curious what your impressions are of the module.  How easy is it to 
> > program?   How smooth are the 3d rings as control sources? Any nifty 
> > tricks with it to look forward to? 
> > 
> > Thanks
> > 
> > Chris
> >
>

Re: Model 222e how many of you have this?

2008-04-07 by wiardmodular

Thanks so much for your in depth review.  

I can't wait to get my hands on the one I ordered.

I'm delighted to hear the ring controllers have such a smooth 
response.  

Using them on stage should be quite dramatic!

Chris

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