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2006-10-15 by RSA
all the songs/samples I've heard have only used the 259e. are there any recordings out there that have the 261e? - RSA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2006-10-16 by Chris Muir
At 2:25 PM -0700 10/15/06, RSA wrote: >all the songs/samples I've heard have only used the 259e. are there any recordings out there that have the 261e? I just put up a page with some 200e noodles that use the 261e: http://www.xfade.com/Buchla -C -- Chris Muir | "There are many futures and only one status quo. cbm@well.com | This is why conservatives mostly agree, http://www.xfade.com | and radicals always argue." - Brian Eno
2006-10-16 by Todd Barton
Hello Chris --
Many thanks for sharing your explorations! Nice variety and helps give me
a better feel for the 261e, first time I've heard them -- good and warm.
Chris Muir <cbm@well.com> wrote: At 2:25 PM -0700 10/15/06, RSA wrote:
>all the songs/samples I've heard have only used the 259e. are there any recordings out there that have the 261e?
I just put up a page with some 200e noodles that use the 261e:
http://www.xfade.com/Buchla
-C
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2006-10-16 by Todd Barton
p.s. I really enjoyed your koto-esk stylin's in "Spinnish".
Chris Muir <cbm@well.com> wrote: At 2:25 PM -0700 10/15/06, RSA wrote:
>all the songs/samples I've heard have only used the 259e. are there any recordings out there that have the 261e?
I just put up a page with some 200e noodles that use the 261e:
http://www.xfade.com/Buchla
-C
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2006-10-16 by matrix
I also linked to them here: http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com/2006/10/buchla-200e-sample-by-ezra-buchlahtml cheers, matrix http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com ____________________________
----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Muir To: 200e@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 12:52 AM Subject: Re: [200e] while we're talking oscillators, I still don't believe I have heard what a 261e sounds like... At 2:25 PM -0700 10/15/06, RSA wrote: >all the songs/samples I've heard have only used the 259e. are there any recordings out there that have the 261e? I just put up a page with some 200e noodles that use the 261e: http://www.xfade.com/Buchla -C -- Chris Muir | "There are many futures and only one status quo. cbm@well.com | This is why conservatives mostly agree, http://www.xfade.com | and radicals always argue." - Brian Eno [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2006-10-16 by Chris Muir
At 8:22 AM -0700 10/16/06, Todd Barton wrote: >p.s. I really enjoyed your koto-esk stylin's in "Spinnish". That was a couple sections of the 256e controlling the amount of fluctuating random pitch modulation based on a stored random voltage and an envelope. No human intervention beyond patching. I should have taken a picture of my 266e and my 256e for that patch. A forest of bananas. I think that that one also used half of a 249e as a quantizer to give the "koto-friendly" pentatonic scale. -C -- Chris Muir | "There are many futures and only one status quo. cbm@well.com | This is why conservatives mostly agree, http://www.xfade.com | and radicals always argue." - Brian Eno
2006-10-16 by Bryan Carrigan
Very nice. 2 weeks... Sounds like you're learning it pretty quickly. I have a similar one arriving soon hopefully so this just makes the anticipation even more painful, thanks ; ) Hey, does anyone have a sample with all 3 nodes of the 291e doing a med to slow morph between stages instead of the quick stepping that i've heard in other mp3s? I'd be really interested in hearing that and it will probably be one of the first things I do when it arrives. That module looks like the bees knees on paper. bryan On Oct 16, 2006, at 11:43 AM, Chris Muir wrote: > At 8:22 AM -0700 10/16/06, Todd Barton wrote: > >p.s. I really enjoyed your koto-esk stylin's in "Spinnish". > > That was a couple sections of the 256e controlling the amount of > fluctuating random pitch modulation based on a stored random > voltage and an envelope. No human intervention beyond patching. I > should have taken a picture of my 266e and my 256e for that patch. > A forest of bananas. > > I think that that one also used half of a 249e as a quantizer to > give the "koto-friendly" pentatonic scale. > > -C > > -- > Chris Muir | "There are many futures and only one status quo. > cbm@well.com | This is why conservatives mostly agree, > http://www.xfade.com | and radicals always argue." - Brian Eno > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2006-10-16 by JB
http://www.synthi.se/buchla/sweepy.mp3 The 291e is doing all the timbre modulation here. Just two oscillators (259e & 261e) mixed into the 'all in'. I've set some stages in the internal sequencer and i am morphing the seq with CV. I took each of the three nodes out separately to the 227e where i do some pan modulation. You hear frequency and bw LF modulation and some AR FM modulation in one of the nodes (different amounts at different stages). This is a very fun filter to program. 2006/10/16, Bryan Carrigan <bryancarrigan@mac.com>:
> Very nice. 2 weeks... Sounds like you're learning it pretty > quickly. I have a similar one > arriving soon hopefully so this just makes the anticipation even more > painful, thanks ; ) > > Hey, does anyone have a sample with all 3 nodes of the 291e doing a > med to slow morph > between stages instead of the quick stepping that i've heard in other > mp3s? I'd be really > interested in hearing that and it will probably be one of the first > things I do when it arrives. > That module looks like the bees knees on paper. > > bryan > > On Oct 16, 2006, at 11:43 AM, Chris Muir wrote: > > > At 8:22 AM -0700 10/16/06, Todd Barton wrote: > > >p.s. I really enjoyed your koto-esk stylin's in "Spinnish". > > > > That was a couple sections of the 256e controlling the amount of > > fluctuating random pitch modulation based on a stored random > > voltage and an envelope. No human intervention beyond patching. I > > should have taken a picture of my 266e and my 256e for that patch. > > A forest of bananas. > > > > I think that that one also used half of a 249e as a quantizer to > > give the "koto-friendly" pentatonic scale. > > > > -C > > > > -- > > Chris Muir | "There are many futures and only one status quo. > > cbm@well.com | This is why conservatives mostly agree, > > http://www.xfade.com | and radicals always argue." - Brian Eno > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > >
2006-10-17 by matrix
Thanks. Post is up. I also put up a separate post on your website. I haven't been there before. cheers, matrix http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com ____________________________
----- Original Message ----- From: JB To: 200e@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 16, 2006 3:00 PM Subject: Re: Re: [200e] while we're talking oscillators & 291e sample request http://www.synthi.se/buchla/sweepy.mp3 The 291e is doing all the timbre modulation here. Just two oscillators (259e & 261e) mixed into the 'all in'. I've set some stages in the internal sequencer and i am morphing the seq with CV. I took each of the three nodes out separately to the 227e where i do some pan modulation. You hear frequency and bw LF modulation and some AR FM modulation in one of the nodes (different amounts at different stages). This is a very fun filter to program. 2006/10/16, Bryan Carrigan <bryancarrigan@mac.com>: > Very nice. 2 weeks... Sounds like you're learning it pretty > quickly. I have a similar one > arriving soon hopefully so this just makes the anticipation even more > painful, thanks ; ) > > Hey, does anyone have a sample with all 3 nodes of the 291e doing a > med to slow morph > between stages instead of the quick stepping that i've heard in other > mp3s? I'd be really > interested in hearing that and it will probably be one of the first > things I do when it arrives. > That module looks like the bees knees on paper. > > bryan > > On Oct 16, 2006, at 11:43 AM, Chris Muir wrote: > > > At 8:22 AM -0700 10/16/06, Todd Barton wrote: > > >p.s. I really enjoyed your koto-esk stylin's in "Spinnish". > > > > That was a couple sections of the 256e controlling the amount of > > fluctuating random pitch modulation based on a stored random > > voltage and an envelope. No human intervention beyond patching. I > > should have taken a picture of my 266e and my 256e for that patch. > > A forest of bananas. > > > > I think that that one also used half of a 249e as a quantizer to > > give the "koto-friendly" pentatonic scale. > > > > -C > > > > -- > > Chris Muir | "There are many futures and only one status quo. > > cbm@well.com | This is why conservatives mostly agree, > > http://www.xfade.com | and radicals always argue." - Brian Eno > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2006-10-20 by Alex Pi
Hello Does the 261e has v/oct input to control pitch? I can't seem to find anything about this on the web. I am planning my setup with the continuum fingerboard, and hakenaudio will release a very high resolution CV to MIDI converter with variable v/oct.
2006-10-20 by Richard Lainhart
Certainly. I believe it's 1.2 v/octave - please correct me if I'm wrong. The input is a banana jack, so you'll need a 1/4"-to-banana cable to interface the Continuum convertor with the Buchla, but they're readily available and easy to make. >Does the 261e has v/oct input to control pitch? >I can't seem to find anything about this on the web. >I am planning my setup with the continuum fingerboard, and hakenaudio >will release a very high resolution CV to MIDI converter with >variable v/oct. -- Richard Lainhart O-Town Media rlainhart@otownmedia.com http://www.otownmedia.com
2006-10-20 by Bryan Carrigan
yes, it's the jack / pot labeled "cv in" just below the large freq knobs of each section. If the continuum will output 1.2 volt/oct, just patch it to the cv in and turn the knob to almost full right, then you can fine adjust the scaling with the little trim pot. On Oct 20, 2006, at 9:22 AM, Alex Pi wrote: > Hello > Does the 261e has v/oct input to control pitch? > I can't seem to find anything about this on the web. > I am planning my setup with the continuum fingerboard, and hakenaudio > will release a very high resolution CV to MIDI converter with > variable v/oct. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2006-10-20 by Alex Pi
Ok, thanks. I had my Modcan modular in mind, which has separate cv in, and 1v/oct inputs that confused me. Speaking of Modcan, I have two quad bandpass filters in this format, which reminds me of the Buchla 296 Programmable Spectral Processor. A reissue of this module for the 200e would be great! On Oct 20, 2006, at 9:16 PM, Bryan Carrigan wrote: > yes, it's the jack / pot labeled "cv in" just below the large freq > knobs of each section. > If the continuum will output 1.2 volt/oct, just patch it to the cv in > and turn the knob to > almost full right, then you can fine adjust the scaling with the > little trim pot. > > On Oct 20, 2006, at 9:22 AM, Alex Pi wrote: > > > Hello > > Does the 261e has v/oct input to control pitch? > > I can't seem to find anything about this on the web. > > I am planning my setup with the continuum fingerboard, and > hakenaudio > > will release a very high resolution CV to MIDI converter with > > variable v/oct. > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
2006-10-21 by Gary Chang
Alex, I don't have the 200e, but I do have a CF, and I love it. With the CVC box, it will allow a person for the first time in a long time to use Subotnick's "player piano" technique of overdubbing many passes of expression to make a sound more animated. (Mort's technique employed a mic, touch keyboard or joystick that controlled VCO volumes recorded to tape that were then played back through envelope detectors, converting them back to control voltages - essentially an analog version of automation). The CF will do the same via MIDI (which I think is pretty amazing, considering how pathetic I have thought MIDI performance was in the past). I intend to use a pair of CVC boxes, so that I can record a first pass of pitch information and then overdub location and modulation information in a second pass. To record, one will take the MIDI output and record it. Playback is sent to the CF's midi input, (which is the brain for the CVC box). The CVC box will make it easy for one to use the CF as a general purpose cv controller, like a joystick, except with much higher resolution. If you hook up a Yamaha pedal controller to the CF and have it control the rounding factor, then when you have the pedal all of the way down, you should get actual in tune pitches, like a normal keyboard. This is simply in midi, but you may find it difficult to convert the CVC's 1v/oct resolution to 1.2v/oct with the same precision as midi to get actual tuned pitches. I may be incorrect, but I don't think that Lippold is going to have a variable scalling feature on the CVC box, which means that you will have to look elsewhere for conversion to the Buchla's 1.2v/oct standard. If I were you, I would not use the cv in - I would rely on the MIDI input for controlling the 200e with the Continuum Fingerboard. Using the CV in will be like the olden days with the 200 series - constantly retuning the CV inputs to keep the VCOs in tune. I think that Ezra's comments months ago about improving the 200e's MIDI input resolution are a better plan for getting in tune pitches out of the 200e when played with the CF. Of course, that's just my opinion I could be wrong. Gary --- In 200e@yahoogroups.com, Alex Pi <alexpi@...> wrote:
> > Hello > Does the 261e has v/oct input to control pitch? > I can't seem to find anything about this on the web. > I am planning my setup with the continuum fingerboard, and hakenaudio > will release a very high resolution CV to MIDI converter with > variable v/oct. >
2006-10-21 by Edmund Eagan
The Continuum Voltage Converter has adjustable scaling, and one of the presets Haken Audio plans to have available out of the box is 1.2v/octave, so it should work perfectly with Buchla oscillators. Output voltage ranges on the CVC are factory customizable within the voltage limits of -9.8v to +10.0v. Otherwise, I think Gary's comments are spot on, especially the comment about MIDI performance. On 21-Oct-06, at 5:19 AM, Gary Chang wrote: > Alex, > > I don't have the 200e, but I do have a CF, and I love it. With the > CVC box, it will allow a person for the first time in a long time to > use Subotnick's "player piano" technique of overdubbing many passes of > expression to make a sound more animated. (Mort's technique employed > a mic, touch keyboard or joystick that controlled VCO volumes recorded > to tape that were then played back through envelope detectors, > converting them back to control voltages - essentially an analog > version of automation). The CF will do the same via MIDI (which I > think is pretty amazing, considering how pathetic I have thought MIDI > performance was in the past). > I intend to use a pair of CVC boxes, so that I can record a first pass > of pitch information and then overdub location and modulation > information in a second pass. To record, one will take the MIDI > output and record it. Playback is sent to the CF's midi input, (which > is the brain for the CVC box). The CVC box will make it easy for one > to use the CF as a general purpose cv controller, like a joystick, > except with much higher resolution. > > If you hook up a Yamaha pedal controller to the CF and have it control > the rounding factor, then when you have the pedal all of the way down, > you should get actual in tune pitches, like a normal keyboard. This > is simply in midi, but you may find it difficult to convert the CVC's > 1v/oct resolution to 1.2v/oct with the same precision as midi to get > actual tuned pitches. > > I may be incorrect, but I don't think that Lippold is going to have a > variable scalling feature on the CVC box, which means that you will > have to look elsewhere for conversion to the Buchla's 1.2v/oct > standard > If I were you, I would not use the cv in - I would rely on the MIDI > input for controlling the 200e with the Continuum Fingerboard. Using > the CV in will be like the olden days with the 200 series - constantly > retuning the CV inputs to keep the VCOs in tune. > > I think that Ezra's comments months ago about improving the 200e's > MIDI input resolution are a better plan for getting in tune pitches > out of the 200e when played with the CF. > > Of course, that's just my opinion I could be wrong. > > Gary > > --- In 200e@yahoogroups.com, Alex Pi <alexpi@...> wrote: > > > > Hello > > Does the 261e has v/oct input to control pitch? > > I can't seem to find anything about this on the web. > > I am planning my setup with the continuum fingerboard, and > hakenaudio > > will release a very high resolution CV to MIDI converter with > > variable v/oct. > > --------------------------------------------- Edmund Eagan (613) 569-0574 www.twelfthroot.com ed@twelfthroot.com ---------------------------------------------
2006-10-21 by Gary Chang
thanks for the correction, Ed. Lippold hadn't mentioned this feature, but it makes sense. But without a 1.2v/oct scaled output on the 259e or 261e, it puts us back in the days of tuning insanity every time you go to do something. gary Edmund Eagan <ed@...> wrote:
> > The Continuum Voltage Converter has adjustable scaling, and one of > the presets Haken Audio plans to have available out of the box is > 1.2v/octave, so it should work perfectly with Buchla oscillators. > Output voltage ranges on the CVC are factory customizable within the > voltage limits of -9.8v to +10.0v. > > Otherwise, I think Gary's comments are spot on, especially the > comment about MIDI performance. > > > On 21-Oct-06, at 5:19 AM, Gary Chang wrote: > > > Alex, > > > > I don't have the 200e, but I do have a CF, and I love it. With the > > CVC box, it will allow a person for the first time in a long time to > > use Subotnick's "player piano" technique of overdubbing many passes of > > expression to make a sound more animated. (Mort's technique employed > > a mic, touch keyboard or joystick that controlled VCO volumes recorded > > to tape that were then played back through envelope detectors, > > converting them back to control voltages - essentially an analog > > version of automation). The CF will do the same via MIDI (which I > > think is pretty amazing, considering how pathetic I have thought MIDI > > performance was in the past). > > I intend to use a pair of CVC boxes, so that I can record a first pass > > of pitch information and then overdub location and modulation > > information in a second pass. To record, one will take the MIDI > > output and record it. Playback is sent to the CF's midi input, (which > > is the brain for the CVC box). The CVC box will make it easy for one > > to use the CF as a general purpose cv controller, like a joystick, > > except with much higher resolution. > > > > If you hook up a Yamaha pedal controller to the CF and have it control > > the rounding factor, then when you have the pedal all of the way down, > > you should get actual in tune pitches, like a normal keyboard. This > > is simply in midi, but you may find it difficult to convert the CVC's > > 1v/oct resolution to 1.2v/oct with the same precision as midi to get > > actual tuned pitches. > > > > I may be incorrect, but I don't think that Lippold is going to have a > > variable scalling feature on the CVC box, which means that you will > > have to look elsewhere for conversion to the Buchla's 1.2v/oct > > standard > > If I were you, I would not use the cv in - I would rely on the MIDI > > input for controlling the 200e with the Continuum Fingerboard. Using > > the CV in will be like the olden days with the 200 series - constantly > > retuning the CV inputs to keep the VCOs in tune. > > > > I think that Ezra's comments months ago about improving the 200e's > > MIDI input resolution are a better plan for getting in tune pitches > > out of the 200e when played with the CF. > > > > Of course, that's just my opinion I could be wrong. > > > > Gary > > > > --- In 200e@yahoogroups.com, Alex Pi <alexpi@> wrote: > > > > > > Hello > > > Does the 261e has v/oct input to control pitch? > > > I can't seem to find anything about this on the web. > > > I am planning my setup with the continuum fingerboard, and > > hakenaudio > > > will release a very high resolution CV to MIDI converter with > > > variable v/oct. > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > Edmund Eagan > (613) 569-0574 > www.twelfthroot.com > ed@... > --------------------------------------------- >
2006-10-22 by ezra buchla
this one thing sturck me as a little off-base: > > > If I were you, I would not use the cv in - I would rely on the MIDI > > > input for controlling the 200e with the Continuum Fingerboard. Using > > > the CV in will be like the olden days with the 200 series - constantly > > > retuning the CV inputs to keep the VCOs in tune. the new oscillators do not drift and the input scaling is utterly consistent. the main problems now arising when attempting accurate tuning with CV are of a very different nature: jitter etc. arising from the digital components of the control circuit... but at least you never have to retune anything; scaling factor and base frequency can be stored in a preset and accurately recalled. people have noticed small discrepancies with MIDI pitches as well. i'm taking a close look at all the scaling in firmware for both oscillators as part of the next round of revsions (which will be huge.) "without a 1.2v/oct scaled output on the 259e or 261e" just out of curiousity, what does this mean? e
2006-10-24 by Gary Chang
"ezra buchla" <ezra.buchla@...> wrote: > > the new oscillators do not drift and the input scaling is utterly > consistent. the main problems now arising when attempting accurate > tuning with CV are of a very different nature: jitter etc. arising > from the digital components of the control circuit... but at least you > never have to retune anything; scaling factor and base frequency can > be stored in a preset and accurately recalled. Hi ezra, I do not dispute that you have a point. It's true - the 259e and 261e don't drift, and the preset feature allows for easy storage of the scaling settings, once set. But with only one scaleable CV input for the pitch of the VCO, it means utilizing a 256e to add cv sources in addition to the fingerboard. By adding the 256e in the patch, you are then need to scale those inputs and store them. If the 256 is not in the patch in the first place, it will be an intermediate to advanced nightmare to get the fingerboard added to the patch, playing in tune. That is why many systems (including the 70's Buchla 259s) feature such a Keyboard cv input. > > "without a 1.2v/oct scaled output on the 259e or 261e" > > just out of curiousity, what does this mean? A typical 1.2v/oct scaled input is the Keyboard Input on the original 259 or the 208. (I suppose that the proper term would be "prescaled".) A simple preset cv input with no scaling pot, it allows one to simply patch in the keyboard and accurately transpose patches, playing the Easel or Buchla in tune via the keyboard. So, let's say you have had a great time creating a cool 200e patch, which has already used the frequency cv inputs and now you want to play the sound with the Fingerboard. Midi seems to be "the latter day keyboard input" - allowing one to quickly interface the controller and play it in tune. gary
2006-10-24 by �
A typical 1.2v/oct scaled input is the Keyboard Input on the original259 or the 208. (I suppose that the proper term would be "prescaled".) A simple preset cv input with no scaling pot, it allows one to simply patch in the keyboard and accurately transpose patches, playing the Easel or Buchla in tune via the keyboard.
So, let's say you have had a great time creating a cool 200e patch, which has already used the frequency cv inputs and now you want to play the sound with the Fingerboard. Midi seems to be "the latter day keyboard input" - allowing one to quickly interface the controller and play it in tune.
gary
HI Gary
couldnt the internal MIDI Buss to the 261e and 259e be considered the same as the keyboard input to the 259 and 208 if you were going to use it as described above?
-rick
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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]2006-10-24 by Gary Chang
"©" <echo7even@...> wrote:
>
> HI Gary
>
> couldnt the internal MIDI Buss to the 261e and 259e be considered
the same as the keyboard input to the 259 and 208 if you were going to
use it as described above?
>
> -rick
>
Rick,
This is precisely why I suggested using the CFingerboard via midi,
instead of patching and tuning via the scaleable cv input on the front
panel!
The Fingerboard outputs a precision midi data - it is simply up to the
200e to properly interpret this. Although the CVC box (a very high
res dedicated midi-to-cv converter made specifically for Fingerboard
use only), is a very cool device, I still think that the best method
is to simply patch the Fingerboard into the 200e MIDI in and get on
with the rest of your life....8^)
gary
gary2006-10-24 by Gary Chang
"ezra buchla" <ezra.buchla@...> wrote: > > i was simply confused by your substitution of 'output' for 'input' and > thought others might be as well. > oh, yes, I didn't notice that - my oversight. 8^) gary
2006-10-24 by ezra buchla
i was simply confused by your substitution of 'output' for 'input' and thought others might be as well.
On 10/24/06, Gary Chang <gchang@calarts.edu> wrote: > > > > > > > "(c)" <echo7even@...> wrote: > > > > HI Gary > > > > couldnt the internal MIDI Buss to the 261e and 259e be considered > the same as the keyboard input to the 259 and 208 if you were going to > use it as described above? > > > > -rick > > > Rick, > > This is precisely why I suggested using the CFingerboard via midi, > instead of patching and tuning via the scaleable cv input on the front > panel! > > The Fingerboard outputs a precision midi data - it is simply up to the > 200e to properly interpret this. Although the CVC box (a very high > res dedicated midi-to-cv converter made specifically for Fingerboard > use only), is a very cool device, I still think that the best method > is to simply patch the Fingerboard into the 200e MIDI in and get on > with the rest of your life....8^) > > gary > > gary > >