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Subject: Re: [yamahacs80] Performance : questions and a request

From: laurie <laurie@...>
Date: 2006-08-18

"I listened to a sustained note ringing thru the ringmodulator"Do you
mean an uneffected sustaining note???or one modulated by the RM but not
affected by the EG of the RM???......All ring modulating oscillators
will be affected the same by the EG ramp...None can sustain
independently or unaffected unless the track on the recording was double
tracked.....I have double tracked CS ring mod squeals myself and panned
hard left and right the different parts...kind of like 2 cs80s talking
to each other....when neither of them is Envelope modulating(set at the
same base speed) they merge together in a monoish sound until either
retriggers the EG....then it stereos out.......Is this kindof what you
were talking about???I can think that the player did apply a Sustain on
the note so the note held on and the envelope triggered again With this
I can only assume that you are hearing a second carrier added to the
first modulating EG which would follow the same tracking as the first
triggers envelope....2 seperate envelope triggerings cant exist in the
cs80 rm circuit simoutaneously....It is a mono envelope with first note
priority....the first note must be released for a period of 200ms before
the next trigger can start.....kinda like the percussion circuit on a
B3..

Max Fazio wrote:

> Thx Laurie!
> The doubt did spring off while listening to a Vangelis' improvisation
> and another track from some friends from Munich , aka Testrauschen: I
> listened to a sustained note ringing thru the ringmodulator ,
> therefore the envelope started off with no note off in between: I can
> think that the player did apply a Sustain on the note so the note held
> on and the envelope triggered again ; could it be so?
> M
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: laurie
> To: yamahacs80@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 2:06 AM
> Subject: Re: [yamahacs80] Performance : questions and a request
>
> Max.....the ring mod depth is the amount that the mono triggered
> envelope of the modulator moves....if you have A or D set they are for
>
> the time axis and the depth is for amount or level of modulation
> pertaining to the envelope....I believe with regards to applying depth
>
> after the triggering of the A D that the depth "will" change based on
> where you are in the ongoing envelope cycle to the amount you are at
> with the depth....If you turn off the depth during the cycle it
> lessens
> the envelope depth to 0....Remember our talk about the Envelope only
> occurring while a note was held down ????"With the slight hold time
> and
> slight release ramp"??? in other words the sustain pedal on the
> release
> times in the Carrier wave have no effect on the envelope release of
> the
> ring mod....only Attack, Decay, the slight pause(note on), and the
> release ramp(200ms?)affect the modulation...however secondary and
> repetitive triggering during that env cycle continue the first
> triggering all the way to the end of the decay cycle if they occur
> within the 200ms "KEYoff" time .The repeating will affect the
> amplitude
> of the carrier as occillators mix together but they are all effected
> by
> the modulator monophonically...
> Max Fazio wrote:
>
> > Hi guys
> > A question on performance on the CS-X0 : those of you who use the
> > ringmodulator during performance can you answer this : when you have
>
> > the ringmodulator on and move the Depth with env times set, does it
> > trigger even after you played the key? Does it relate to last note
> > played or it triggers only on the first note you play?
> >
> > Also I have a request: is anybody able to record me some performance
>
> > of the separate presets ? Mostly I'd like to hear them performed
> with
> > pianissimo to full velocity and full aftertouch where this is
> enabled;
> > I just need clues for trying to reproduce them on my CS80V.
> > Can you help me?
> > Thx a lot!
> > M
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