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Subject: Re: String sound on "Never Comes the Day"

From: "Tron400" <kornowicz@cox.net>
Date: 2010-03-08

I wonder if Streetly has the M300C.

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Daily <pocotron@...> wrote:
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> Hi Tom-
>    Phew!  This is a bad as 'Tron Trivia gets!  The M300 strings issue is a bit clearer.  But now my head hurts.  Thanks, think I'll take a nap.
>  
>   Here's to hoping for a Mellotron convention in the near future. 
>  
>   -Bruce D.
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> --- On Mon, 3/8/10, Thomas C. Doncourt <tomdcour@...> wrote:
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> From: Thomas C. Doncourt <tomdcour@...>
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] String sound on "Never Comes the Day"
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 10:51 AM
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> Hi Bruce , thanks for your input into this confusing issue. My Nord wave
> was bought used but had all the sounds on it so I don't know if they came
> on a disc. They are easily downloaded from the nord site though!
> I'm comparing the Mellotron (Markus/Kean) library with Streely's... .
> First off there are three distinct M300 "string" sets that I have found.
> One is the 2 violin that Wooly made famous. Then there is a string section
> consisting of celloes, violas and violins. Last there is a solo violin (I
> heard this one for myself at the Mellotron Ranch).
> On the "Pinder Presents" disc of samples the M300 strings are the
> cello/viola/ strings.
> Mellotron's library has this as their M300A sound. If you buy a set for
> your M400 you get that violin/viola section with a few cellos at the lower
> register. Their M300B is the two violin sound.
> Streetly has the M300A as the two violin sound. The Streetly M300B sounds
> to me like the solo violin and I double checked this with the M300 solo
> violin on the Nord and my recordings of Jerry's
> M300. Phew, that's as much as I can figure out.TD
>
> > Tom-
> >   A late response.  Just curious, did your Nord Wave come with all
> > the 'Tron sounds, or were they on a disc or download?
> >  
> >   Yeah, my references are to the Streetly library.
> >   Mr. Kean's Mellotron listing is confusing, and so are the library
> > sounds.  I wonder where he got his sound descriptions from?  Were they
> > written on the master tape boxes, and/or passed down from Les Bradley? 
> > His "String Section" and String Section 2" seem like Streetly's "String
> > Section" & "String Section w/o Cello" respectively.  Kean's "M300A" and
> > "M300B Strings" both seem to have 2 violins each, but are diferent
> > recordings.  Kean's "M300A Strings" may be 2 violas (contrary to the
> > library description of 3 violins, violas & 'cello).  The weird thing is
> > that the Kean's "M300B Strings" compares closest to Streetly's "M300A 2
> > violins"!!   Kean doesn't have a "M300B Solo Violin" like Streetly, but
> > his "Solo Violin" sounds  the same.
> >   Then there's Kean's "Solo Viola" recording, which sounds like a 'cello
> > on the lowest sample note!  Let's mix it up!
> >   But, I have respect for both companies for keeping up the sounds,
> > history and tradition.
> >  
> >     -Bruce D
> >
> >
> > --- On Wed, 3/3/10, Thomas C. Doncourt <tomdcour@amnh. org> wrote:
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> > From: Thomas C. Doncourt <tomdcour@amnh. org>
> > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] String sound on "Never Comes the Day"
> > To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Wednesday, March 3, 2010, 5:24 PM
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> >  
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> > Thanks Bruce! I'm going to have to try the M300A , which I do already
> > have!?! It's possible that I didn't recognize it because of Pinder's
> > handling of it. I have some confusion over the M300 strings-from what i
> > could make out there appears to be an A version which is 2 violins, a B
> > version which is solo and a String section which is split in three
> > parts-violin , viola and cello. Mellotron archives and Streetly seem to be
> > at odds with how these are labeled. I played a solo violin on the 300 up
> > at the Mellotron Ranch and really loved it, it's on my Nordwave as solo
> > violin M300 and it sounds like the M300b that is on the Streetly tape
> > library.
> >
> >> Hi Tom-
> >>    I'm very sure Pinder used the M300A 2 Violins on "Never
> >> Comes the
> >> Day".  I have it on one of my frames, which it matches.  Sounds
> >> like he
> >> doubled it by recording on in the left ch, and also on the
> >> right.
> >>    An alternate choice might be the "Classic Strings".  You get
> >> the 2
> >> M300A violins with the 3 MK2 violins, a total of 5 violins!!
> >>    The exchange rate dropped briefly below $1.50 this morning. 
> >> I say
> >> it can happen again.
> >>  
> >>    -Bruce D.
> >>
> >>
> >>   - On Tue, 3/2/10, Thomas C. Doncourt <tomdcour@amnh. org> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Thomas C. Doncourt <tomdcour@amnh. org>
> >> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] String sound on "Never Comes the Day"
> >> To: newmellotrongroup@ yahoogroups. com
> >> Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2010, 4:46 PM
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> >> While the subject of ordering tapes is fresh on the mind I'll risk the
> >> usual rounds of Moodies bashing to ask a pressing question. Can anyone
> >> tell me what solo violin sound is used by Pinder on "Never Comes the
> >> Day".
> >> I'm guessing that it is from the M300. But is it StringB or a solo
> >> string
> >> that I don't know about? I'd like to have it on a rack along with a good
> >> viola and the Tenor Sax.
> >>
> >>> Now is as good a time as we in the US are likely to see. The Pound
> >>> Sterling is under a buck and a half for the first time in a long time.
> >>>
> >>> Frank
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