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On Apr 10, 2014, at 14:45, Andy Kinch <kinchmusic@aol.com> wrote:
I can.Wow, flutter, condition of pinchrollers, head alignment, pressure pad position/ condition/ type of preamp. Tape condition/ position.Loads of things to take it away from the original master and stamp it's own watermark on the tone!A-----Original Message-----
From: fdoddy <fdoddy@aol.com>
To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 14:16
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: 4000D users?I agree...When the artifacts are not there, you really notice it, though sometimes it's hard to put into words what you aren't hearing.fritz-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Dale <unobtainiumkeys@gmail.com>
To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Apr 10, 2014 12:27 am
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: 4000D users?No way I have golden ears, but I have used earplugs for decades at concerts in the past (both watching them and performing them) and still use them in movie theatres, on trains, subways, planes, near construction sites, etc.I did this after my 'music' friends started to lose their hearing / had their ears damaged by loud sounds and noise.And noise laws/safety are almost never enforced.I do notice the difference between a real Tron and a facsimile.When I heard Oasis 'Wonderwall' for the first time, I knew that was a real Mellotron, and when I heard Nelly Furtado's "I'm like a Bird" I knew that was samples.I think when you own the machine(s) you get to know them better and can discern them more clearly because your ears are trained to expect certain artifacts in the sound.When the artifacts are not there, you really notice it, though sometimes it's hard to put into words what you aren't hearing.The electronics in the machine undeniably process the sound, as does the mechanism. And since each Mellotron/Chamberlin model is slightly different it would be impossible to find one facsimile that replicates all those sounds perfectly.For example I'm particularly used to hearing a 'wide-ness' in sound from the Chamberlin. When it's not there it's feels disappointing and depressing somehow.I think this is all down to what works for you personally. I don't think anyone hears a sound the exact same way as another.On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 9:19 PM, gino wong <wonggster@gmail.com> wrote:Having read so many nuanced opinions; Who amoung you tests out clinically as having "Golden Ears".just curious.On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 6:07 PM, <tron400@yahoo.com> wrote:I don't think playing sounds that were sampled from a MkII through an M400 will sound like they are played through a MkII because the M400 electronics will color the sound. Playing them digitally should work though.
Bernie--Gino Wong BirgeloBSComm, BSEE,ReRED Recording, Analog Sound Design