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Hammond uses modeling? I thought they just used long samples. I do like the sound of my XK3 (not C) through my Motion Sound Pro-145. Still, not quite the same as my old B3/122.

Bernie

--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Gary Brumm <gabru@...> wrote:
>
> No tonewheels this time….sample/modeling just like the XK models…….
> I think it would cost a lot more to tool up for tonewheels….heck its already like 20k for the “new B3”…….
> …Although through a 122 Leslie it sounds pretty damn good!
>
> g
>
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> From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Wright
> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 11:51 AM
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: M4000D nice review with photos
>
>
> Hi Gary,
>
> Hammond Suzuki is making the B3 again.
>
> http://www.hammondorganco.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=65&Itemid=119
>
> But, it doesn’t sound like the original!
>
> 8-)
>
> John
> #911
>
> From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com]<mailto:[mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com]> On Behalf Of Gary Brumm
> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 2:07 PM
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: M4000D nice review with photos
>
>
> I think it can possibly be compared to the old exotic sports car. You can buy a new car today that performs not only better but
> is reliable as well…..however the driving experience is not duplicated…the smell of burning oil, the sound of the engine, etc.
> I really enjoyed driving the old Ferraris but if I was looking for the ultimate performance as well as something I could drive
> everyday it would not be my choice. I think Tony would understand this as he is both a Mellotron and Exotic car guy. What
> makes one “better” than the other is subjective but in a mix after processing in the recording process I thing 99.9% of listeners
> would be unable to tell the difference. Some of those that might be able to tell are on this list but even they would probably
> be guessing to some extent. There is still enough of a market to support two Mellotron manufacturers although the price is
> high and I would venture to guess the number sold is low. In low numbers the price is necessarily high….Imagine if someone
> tried to manufacture B3s today….I am sure some could be sold but the price would be staggering. …..my 2 cents….fire away!
>
> ☺
>
> Gary
>
>
> From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com> [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com]<mailto:[mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com]> On Behalf Of lsf5275@...<mailto:lsf5275@...>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 10:37 AM
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: M4000D nice review with photos
>
>
> That's hardly the point. I'm not saying that samplers (ROMplers) have no place, I'm saying that they lack the character that a real Mellotron has. The real thing is far more organic. I like my records, tapes and CDs. I have perhaps a thousand or more recorded live performances. I enjoy them too. but once recorded, they sound the same every time I play them. Playing a CD has nothing to do with making music. Playing an instrument does, whether it is a M4000d or a M4000 or an M400. I prefer the latter.
>
> In a message dated 7/20/2011 12:30:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, feline1@...<mailto:feline1@...> writes:
>
>
> Yeah,
> and I bet you never buy records or CDs,
> cos they sound the same every time you play them -
> it's kinda lacking in soul compared to going to a gig.
>
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>, lsf5275@ wrote:
> >
> > You can take the M4000D and manipulate it to be idiosyncratic in certain
> > ways. But those idiosyncrasies will be the same to every sound. The
> > character of a Mellotron is derived from how it plays its tapes, variances from
> > frame to frame, tape age, keyboard adjustment, etc. It makes each one unique.
> > Every M4000D will be exactly like every other one. Not a bad thing really,
> > but a little soulless. When I think of a Mellotron, I think of a tape
> > replay machine. The Mellotron sounds that come out of an iPad are no different
> > except the way they are accessed. The sampling rate may be different but the
> > concept is the same.The iPad delivers the sounds but imparts no character
> > to them.
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 7/19/2011 8:37:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > tron400@ writes:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Looks like my last reply didn't make it.
> >
> > The last frame I bought has tuned Cello/M400 Violins/Flute. Sure, the
> > Violins are MkII Violins EQ'd for the M400, but the EQ, as well as the tuning,
> > was done by Streetly, so there's a degree of authenticity there (like 100%).
> >
> > I'd love to play around with an M4000D for a few days. It seems to be a
> > practical machine for those who don't want to own a tape replay machine and a
> > good supplement to an M400. But I don't think electronics can ever
> > accurately imitate the electromechanical idiosyncracies of a Mellotron.
> >
> > Bernie
> >
> > --- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:_newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>_
> > (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>) , "Charles" <charel196@> wrote:
> > >
> > > so if you bought a new tape rack and played an E Major chord and the
> > fifth was recorded out of tune, you'd prefer that over buying a digital unit
> > with all the notes properly tuned and de-noised?
> > > Even your Mellotron library was recorded and EQ'd with someone else's
> > idea of how it should sound.
> > > I just don't get it, I guess.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:_newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>_
> > (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>) , "tron400" <tron400@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It's one thing to alter the sound of your Mellotron or samples, but
> > it's another thing to have someone else decide for you how it should
> > fundamentally sound.
> > > >
> > > > Bernie
> > > >
> > > > --- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:_newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>_
> > (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>) , "Charles" <charel196@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > do you think Mike Pinder never did any "tampering" to make his units
> > sound "better"? Geeezus....to me the M4000D is the outgrowth of all the
> > years of addressing the complaints about exactly what was wrong with the tape
> > system by all the major artists (tuning, noise, etc.)
> > > > > Do you think if Harry Chamberlin had this technology at his disposal
> > he would have used tapes?
> > > > > It may not be a "real Mellotron/Chamberlin" in the eyes of the
> > hardcore obsessives but for me it's a completely normal development in the
> > lineage and deserves the name.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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