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The XK-3c does sound better. The internal Leslie sim. is ~much~ better as well. I run direct with a stereo monitor system when playing live
If you have a system set up for other keyboards with a mixer you can run through it. I really suggest you at least give a Ventilator a try.
You could probably get $500 trade in on the 145 and the difference really is staggering. I played a “c” through a MS 145 at a jam a while
back and it sounded terrible. You might even want to try your existing XK through one …you may decide not to upgrade. I like not
having to mic a Leslie due to the isolation issues. I really like my XK-3c and even though there are some newer clones out there that sound
great, I haven’t seen anything compelling enough to make me want to switch. I like the XK’s layout and it sounds great.
Gary
From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tron400
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 10:02 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: M4000D nice review with photos
Hi Gary,
Looks like you are correct. hammond-organ.com says the XK3 has 2x Vase III Digital Tonewheel.
I've considered trading in my XK3 and Pro-145 for an XK3C to get back some space in my music room (I would use the onboard Leslie), but I would still need a decent keyboard amp, so I don't think I would gain anything. In an 11 x 11 room, the Pro-145 sounds just fine, so I'm going to stick with this setup.
Bernie
--- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com, Gary Brumm <gabru@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Bernie,
>
> The older Hammond cloned used long samples…I think the XK series uses “VASE†tonewheel generator modeling….I could be wrong.
> The real difference is the XK series doesn’t have the 9 bar contacts in the keyboard…the “New B3†does. The XK series is a much better deal $ wise.
> I had the XK-3 and now have an XK-3c. I have had several of the Motion Sound products and they never sounded right. Try one through
> a Ventilator and you will get rid of the MS stuff. I built an interface cable for the 11 pin Leslie output so I have control through the keyboard.
> The Ventilator will make your XK-3 sound great and give you an overdrive sound much better than the internal tube preamp. For $500 US it
> is a 122 Leslie in a stomp box package. It will give a B3/122 a run for the money. My only real complaint about the XK is the Vibrato/Chorus
> is not quite right…it is improved in the “c†model but still not quite there. I’ve owned and traveled with several C3/B3 122 combos but those
> days are over. I still have an M3 in my living room though…. ☺.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Gary
>
>
> From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tron400
> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 3:49 AM
> To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Re: M4000D nice review with photos
>
>
>
> Hammond uses modeling? I thought they just used long samples. I do like the sound of my XK3 (not C) through my Motion Sound Pro-145. Still, not quite the same as my old B3/122.
>
> Bernie
>
> --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>, Gary Brumm <gabru@<mailto:gabru@>> wrote:
> >
> > No tonewheels this time….sample/modeling just like the XK models…….
> > I think it would cost a lot more to tool up for tonewheels….heck its already like 20k for the â€Å"new B3â€Â…….
> > …Although through a 122 Leslie it sounds pretty damn good!
> >
> > g
> >
> >
> > From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of John Wright
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 11:51 AM
> > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: M4000D nice review with photos
> >
> >
> > Hi Gary,
> >
> > Hammond Suzuki is making the B3 again.
> >
> > http://www.hammondorganco.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=65&Itemid=119
> >
> > But, it doesn’t sound like the original!
> >
> > 8-)
> >
> > John
> > #911
> >
> > From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>> [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>]<mailto:[mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>]> On Behalf Of Gary Brumm
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 2:07 PM
> > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>>
> > Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Re: M4000D nice review with photos
> >
> >
> > I think it can possibly be compared to the old exotic sports car. You can buy a new car today that performs not only better but
> > is reliable as well…..however the driving experience is not duplicated…the smell of burning oil, the sound of the engine, etc.
> > I really enjoyed driving the old Ferraris but if I was looking for the ultimate performance as well as something I could drive
> > everyday it would not be my choice. I think Tony would understand this as he is both a Mellotron and Exotic car guy. What
> > makes one â€Å"better†than the other is subjective but in a mix after processing in the recording process I thing 99.9% of listeners
> > would be unable to tell the difference. Some of those that might be able to tell are on this list but even they would probably
> > be guessing to some extent. There is still enough of a market to support two Mellotron manufacturers although the price is
> > high and I would venture to guess the number sold is low. In low numbers the price is necessarily high….Imagine if someone
> > tried to manufacture B3s today….I am sure some could be sold but the price would be staggering. …..my 2 cents….fire away!
> >
> > ☺
> >
> > Gary
> >
> >
> > From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>> [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>]<mailto:[mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>]> On Behalf Of lsf5275@<mailto:lsf5275@<mailto:lsf5275@%3cmailto:lsf5275@>...>
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 10:37 AM
> > To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>>
> > Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: M4000D nice review with photos
> >
> >
> > That's hardly the point. I'm not saying that samplers (ROMplers) have no place, I'm saying that they lack the character that a real Mellotron has. The real thing is far more organic. I like my records, tapes and CDs. I have perhaps a thousand or more recorded live performances. I enjoy them too. but once recorded, they sound the same every time I play them. Playing a CD has nothing to do with making music. Playing an instrument does, whether it is a M4000d or a M4000 or an M400. I prefer the latter.
> >
> > In a message dated 7/20/2011 12:30:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, feline1@<mailto:feline1@<mailto:feline1@%3cmailto:feline1@>...> writes:
> >
> >
> > Yeah,
> > and I bet you never buy records or CDs,
> > cos they sound the same every time you play them -
> > it's kinda lacking in soul compared to going to a gig.
> >
> > --- In newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>, lsf5275@ wrote:
> > >
> > > You can take the M4000D and manipulate it to be idiosyncratic in certain
> > > ways. But those idiosyncrasies will be the same to every sound. The
> > > character of a Mellotron is derived from how it plays its tapes, variances from
> > > frame to frame, tape age, keyboard adjustment, etc. It makes each one unique.
> > > Every M4000D will be exactly like every other one. Not a bad thing really,
> > > but a little soulless. When I think of a Mellotron, I think of a tape
> > > replay machine. The Mellotron sounds that come out of an iPad are no different
> > > except the way they are accessed. The sampling rate may be different but the
> > > concept is the same.The iPad delivers the sounds but imparts no character
> > > to them.
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 7/19/2011 8:37:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > > tron400@ writes:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Looks like my last reply didn't make it.
> > >
> > > The last frame I bought has tuned Cello/M400 Violins/Flute. Sure, the
> > > Violins are MkII Violins EQ'd for the M400, but the EQ, as well as the tuning,
> > > was done by Streetly, so there's a degree of authenticity there (like 100%).
> > >
> > > I'd love to play around with an M4000D for a few days. It seems to be a
> > > practical machine for those who don't want to own a tape replay machine and a
> > > good supplement to an M400. But I don't think electronics can ever
> > > accurately imitate the electromechanical idiosyncracies of a Mellotron.
> > >
> > > Bernie
> > >
> > > --- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:_newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:_newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>_
> > > (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>) , "Charles" <charel196@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > so if you bought a new tape rack and played an E Major chord and the
> > > fifth was recorded out of tune, you'd prefer that over buying a digital unit
> > > with all the notes properly tuned and de-noised?
> > > > Even your Mellotron library was recorded and EQ'd with someone else's
> > > idea of how it should sound.
> > > > I just don't get it, I guess.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:_newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:_newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>_
> > > (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>) , "tron400" <tron400@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It's one thing to alter the sound of your Mellotron or samples, but
> > > it's another thing to have someone else decide for you how it should
> > > fundamentally sound.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bernie
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In _newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:_newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:_newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>_
> > > (mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com<mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:newmellotrongroup%40yahoogroups.com>) , "Charles" <charel196@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > do you think Mike Pinder never did any "tampering" to make his units
> > > sound "better"? Geeezus....to me the M4000D is the outgrowth of all the
> > > years of addressing the complaints about exactly what was wrong with the tape
> > > system by all the major artists (tuning, noise, etc.)
> > > > > > Do you think if Harry Chamberlin had this technology at his disposal
> > > he would have used tapes?
> > > > > > It may not be a "real Mellotron/Chamberlin" in the eyes of the
> > > hardcore obsessives but for me it's a completely normal development in the
> > > lineage and deserves the name.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>