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Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....

From: william Beith <wbeith@sbcglobal.net>
Date: 2011-07-05

One interesting bit of Hammond lore centers on the sound Jon Lord and Brian Auger got. Neither one used a Leslie. Usually a Marshall or Hiwatt.
 
I played a C3 with an impedance balancing pre amp through a Marshall stack (turned up to 11) and the grit was unbelievable. But I felt it lacked the depth a Leslie adds. And one thing most simulations neglect, the high and low rotors spin in opposite directions. So this additional phase thing happens along with the Doppler shift. 
 
I was stage manager in an Aurora Illinois club  in 1969 and Deep Purple played there. (Also Jefferson Airplane and The Nice). Lords organ never showed up, so I had to run home and grab my Vox Continental which he used through a Marshall. He was not happy, but made the best of it. Great show!
 
Bill


From: Gary Brumm <gabru@comsec.net>
To: "newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com" <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, July 5, 2011 9:45:45 AM
Subject: RE: [newmellotrongroup] Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....

 

Hi Bill,

 

I experimented with other drivers as well.  I even used HIWATTs to power my 122’s to get that Emerson sound. 

Unfortunately most of his material was too difficult for me to master!

 

Cheers,

 

Gary

 

From: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of william Beith
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 7:06 AM
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....

 

 

I have a C3. I picked up a Leslie 147 box and retrofitted it with JBL components. I bought a Leslie 122 amp from Goff Professional and the setup has worked flawlessly. The 122 amp differs from the 147 as the audio is a balanced line in the 122.

 

The JBL horn driver adds that Emerson "spit" to the Leslie. I added a 100 watt L Pad to the horn to soften the cabinet for jazz work.

 

Leslies are expensive. I got lucky and bought this one used from the Buckinghams for almost nothing, then totally rebuilt it. The speakers used totaled 350, the amp/tubes/installation kit from Goff was around 750.

 

And remember the RCA jack on the volume column on the C3 pre amp is an aux in. So I play my Kurzweil through it and have used it in the studio to route vocals. There are two trim pots on the back of the pre amp for tone and precussion volume. Set these to taste. Full open begins to approach the Emerson settings.

 

Enjoy

 

Bill

 


From: Jack Younger <e4103s@yahoo.com>
To: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, July 5, 2011 8:02:31 AM
Subject: [newmellotrongroup] Somewhat off topic.... Hammond C3 story....question or two....

 

Hello, All!

 

So, I tend to frequent a particular flea market in Northern Massachusetts every Sunday and have found quite a few music-oriented things for short dough over the years.  But this takes the cake.  Allow me to set the scene:

 

A producer friend of mine and I park the car and just as we are leaving the field to where the vendors are (it's outdoors), I notice a bench to a C3.  I make a joke about where the organ is and think nothing further on it.  We browse around, pick up some small things, see some friends and its time to go so we head back to the car.  My friend decides he likes the bench (he recently got a CP70b and needs something to use with it) and the vendor gives it to him for $25, a sweet deal in and of itself.  I quip "The organ is included in that price, right?"  The guy says, "Well there IS an organ that goes with that, but you'd have to talk to the woman who owns it."  They have no idea what model it could be, "...but it's a Hammond".  We get her number and leave, excited by the mystery.

 

Later in the day, I call her out of curiosity.  Turns out, it was an estate item that didn't sell and she says, "We were going to smash it up and toss it in the dumpster. You can have it for the moving." !!!!  I ask for pictures and model numbers. She sends them to my phone. Lo and behold...indeed, it's a C3!  Purchased in 1959, it has sat in their living room, lightly used since then.  Unfortunately, the tone cab was sold in the sale, but the organ remains.  Apparently, it needs only one tube to function, but its mint, so even if there's more to be done, it's most certainly worth it.

 

Long and short, I have movers grabbing it this week.  So psyched!  This will be an amazing addition to the studio and a nice friend for my Mellotron and recently purchased Rhodes 73 Suitcase.

 

Now the questions for the B3/C3 folks out there....

 

Obviously, I need a Leslie (which is why I'm not crying over the tone cab).  I'm looking for a 122, 147, etc. and have a few local leads.  My query is this:

 

Do any of you prefer a Trek pedal to the half-moon switch?  Tube or solid state?  Pros and cons?  There's a great tech here in MA that I'll have go through it, but I'd like to avoid any expensive experimentation.  Any insight would be helpful.

 

Thanks, and Cheers!

-Jack