My experience with advertising agency people over the years has left me with the feeling that they are mostly sleazy dirt-bags. Maybe I shouldn't generalize. It might just be the Toronto area agencies that are corrupt...and Fritz.
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> This link is amusing, where Sigur Ros has a go at all the on-air soundalikes of his work
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> Van: newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com [mailto:newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com] Namens fdoddy@...
> Verzonden: zondag 27 februari 2011 15:39
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> Onderwerp: Re: [newmellotrongroup] Re: samples and copyright
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> There have been successful lawsuits here concerning the "sound alike" nature of a singer's voice, the most notable of them coming from Bette Midler's camp. She won! The precedent set here is, again, intent. That intention is to willfully trick the public into thinking they're listening to the real Bette Midler, or whoever they're trying to sound like. Knowing the industry the way I do, I'm sure there were scads of forensic evidence in the Midler case. Stupid advertising agencies!! Again, laziness rears its ugly head.
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> I have never studied any law and I absolutely hate myself for knowing the little that I do.
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> From: Mike Dickson <mike.dickson@...>
> To: newmellotrongroup <newmellotrongroup@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sun, Feb 27, 2011 7:24 am
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> On 27/02/2011 01:59, John Hammaren wrote:
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> I guess this topic gets my ire up, since although I have the utmost respect for the work and creations of others, the current state of intellectual property law is a freaking mess IMHO.
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> As ever, the law is driven by those who can afford to drive it.
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> Iâm not a lawyer, but it hardly takes one to realize this.
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> I'm not a lawyer either, but I do have a Masters in Law and part of that took in the subject of copyright, designs and patents.
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> You can. One firm (in 1987) tried to copyright a single letter which was associated with their name. IBM tried the same thing with their abbreviated name and also failed. (Narrowly) This veers into the territory of trade marks, where a visual identifier is associated with name or product. This <http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/51/IBM_logo.svg/800px-IBM_logo.svg.png> says 'IBM' whereas the same thing in copperplate script does not. If a visual aid works then why not an audio one? If someone has a very distinctive voice (I'm thinking in terms of scale like Diamanda Galas <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAFbYN_8e7g> here) then why not? I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but I am saying that it's evidently possible.
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> My favourite ever sampling story has to be the one about David Bowie's track 'Lets Dance'. It was very popular back in the day and that was oput down to the drum timbres. The kick drum and snare from the opening sequence were sampled to shreds and were featured on dozens of other contemporary tunes, thanks to the Fairlight CMI. Bowie;s production team made litigious noises, but it all came to nothing.
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> Free Music Project: http://www.mikedickson.org.uk/
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