any way the an1x you can set it to send and to respond to cc so why are you sending sysex data for control
sysex dumping really is good for dumping whole banks of patches or sequences
but if you are sending real time control mesages via sysex then thats why automation is going to slow down as sysex data is larger streams than cc and you could be overloading the uart with sysex data
and usualy with sysex data realtime control if you have a key pressed for a long time and use sysex to change the filter cutoff
it wont change until you re press key most of the time
----- Original Message -----
From: jammie
To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AN1x] Re: CTRLR and Ableton Live for AN200/AN1x
im not saying it is rubbish it does work
but not having any manual on how to use it makes it rubbish for people who are trying to figure it out and cant get it to work
i dont have a problem with it but im used to the atari days so if you wanted something to work you wrote it so that it did work
and i like sounddiver been using it for years
but the problem realy lives with ambleton and people should petition them not to filter the events out for when you ar recording such messges for control of your said synth
im all for nice helpfull apps and free ones are better as they cost nothing
but for better developement and a good written manual the creator could charge for the manual as it takes lots of time in programing and expalining in text how todo things and it would help in creating more panels as people could take on the chalange
----- Original Message -----
From: ikstation7
To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 7:24 AM
Subject: [AN1x] Re: CTRLR and Ableton Live for AN200/AN1x
So I agree with you in most of the points.
Fore sure sound diver and i.e. AN1X Editor ...they all can handle Sysex.
But in Ableton Live there is one Bug: it Filter the Sysex data from external Keyboards. Everything you can change with CC is no problem. But it simply ignore changes via Sysex and you cant record knob movments.
Because they use it for internal stuff and to the speech with external Hardware Controller.
So you must have an "virtual Cable" to use it.
Ctrlr is one and an easy to use way to avoid the Problem.
Max for Live can handle sysex data for sure.
You have to use java and get an "cable" to MaxMSP. Then it works.
But there is no way to do this out of the box.
So Ctrlr can be very helpful if you unfamiliar with sysex data and a solution with the live bug.
I hope i have convince you that in this specific case its not rubbish.
--- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@...> wrote:
>
> i have an opinion and im intitled to it
>
> yes i under stand 1 guy did it
>
> but you can do the same in any sysex editor
>
> i have been doing it for years with sound diver
>
> sysex is old if you want to know about sysex then learn hex
>
> its an old system so you need to look up old files
>
> best way to learn is 8bit cpu programming as its all done in hex
>
> or get a mirage sampler as all its functions are done in hex
>
> and if you are an old fart like me who got brought up 8 bit micros
>
> and was around when they first started to impliment it
>
> and if your not interested in what i have to say then dont read
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ikstation7
> To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 5:16 AM
> Subject: [AN1x] Re: CTRLR and Ableton Live for AN200/AN1x
>
>
>
>
> Hey you cant compare these two products !! If you not able to use it you dont have to!! Dont flame against Ctrlr only because you can not figure out how to use it !!! ATOM working for years on this its only one guy and its totaly free !! Max for live fore sure is a good programm but you have to pay 200 Euro. And i buy it only to see that nobody can realy help u with Sysex !!! This works on Ctrlr out of the box......
> --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "jammie" <jammie.emma@> wrote:
> >
> > you should not need ctrlr as its prity rubbish its all geuss work as theres no proper documentation
> >
> > its all ill try this and see if it works
> >
> > with ambleton use use the source max for live you can do anything with it if you can think it and draw it you can make it and a controler for it
> >
> > its very easy and theres plenty of help files and examples to show you how to do it
> >
> > ive used it to make little wavetable controls of basicsounds so that it sweeps through the wavetable and becuase its osc compatible you can create custom touch oscpanels
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Eanna Butler
> > To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 5:25 PM
> > Subject: [AN1x] Re: CTRLR and Ableton Live for AN200/AN1x
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Completely agree with you - integration of synths with software is fraught,
> > and there really should not be a reason for that at all.
> >
> > Unfortunately, I've sold my AN200, but have stayed on this List because
> > it's such a thread of positivity!
> > I have some other synths, and have promised myself to figure out exactly
> > what the issues are with automation - is there a common theme? What are the
> > variances (VST Host, Midi Interface, Synth, CC/NRPN/Sysex - a matrix of
> > options)? It'll be a technology-focussed evening rather than a musical one
> > in my bijou project studio.....
> >
> > Are you using an External Instrument device in Ableton? Can you record CC
> > movements from the front panel of your AN1X along with midi note data
> > (regardless of CTRLR)? What happens when you play that back - same 'slow'
> > behaviour? Are you using something like a Midi Merge box, or a Midi
> > Patchbay, in between your Midi interface and the Synth?
> >
> > Make sure you synth is setup to transmit CC from the front panel, and that
> > you've followed the Yamaha documentation around this.
> >
> > Then try Reaper! ;-)
> >
> > Good luck.
> >
> > --
> > EBu
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]