Hi Richie, thanks for the long response. I will bow to your knowledge as
I've never actually put my hands on either. I have messed with formant
filters and understand (sort of) the science behind a comb filter.
Anyway, I agree the cs80 sound is too indulgent for "actual" use. What I'm
after is that more brassy sound that still sounds like a string. Something
with a clearer attack phase, with the decay remaining somewhat string
sounding and with some vibrato. Very much like the brass of an electone( I
guess?). It'd be fun to get close to those big sounding home organ sounds
and then tweak them from there. I could of course do that with a real d-85
or 415, alas the an1x seems just as well suited, and I've already got one,
and it clearly eats less space...... :)
I know the voicing is roughly the same, so I figured you'd already have
done the grunt work:) I'll scope the cs80 patches and see what I can figure
out.
I'd also like clone a yc-10 or yc-25 type sound. That sort of plucked
string that still sounds like tri/ sine. Good times:)
anyway, if there's some patches in the ole library that you could point me
towards, I'd be much obliged.
Nate
On Feb 23, 2012 5:41 PM, "richardon" <richardon@...> wrote:
> ∗∗
>
>
> Hi Nate
>
> Some people think An1x being an Prophet clone. Thats not true. Its an CS80
> clone. I am shure.
> You can see it regarding the waveform both machines producing. They are
> same
> way out of phase. Thats no error, because we dont hear that. Also the ring
> modualtion, Ribbon are typically CS80. There is one An1x preset sound that
> is close to CS80 brass. But it is using not enough feedback. Feedback ist
> changing everything. Emphasing the low frequencies of the Waveforms but
> also
> totally the behavior of the filter. Making it more resonant like a voice,
> a
> formantfilter.And thats typicall for CS80. Its alway sounding a little bit
> like a voice. Its no problem to test this. Here you ll get the Arturia CS
> 80
> Demo for free :
> http://www.arturia.com/evolution/en/products/cs-80v/intro.html
> I didnt spend too much time with the CS80 Sound. Perhaps you already found
> out a trick i used for the mellotron sounds too. Using the digital delay
> as
> a combfilter (in German Kammfilter) Do you know whats a combfilter ? Its a
> filter with a periodical Spectrum
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comb_filter
> Its good if you are able to calculate this, but you can just recognice :
> If
> I am using a digital delay with much feedback i will get a Comb Filter.
> And
> such a comb filter sounds like a formant filter, like a voice. Just test
> it.
> Use the CS80 Sound and Digital Delay=127 with Feedback 80. Time 0.1-0.5
> ms.
> Now the sound gets even more vocal and vintage. More vintage because such
> a
> comb filter is producing heavy phase errors like filters in vintage
> instruments.
> Theres another interesting fact. What is physical modelling ? Its just
> using
> a lot of digital delays to simulate wave propagation. A Comb Filter line.
> Nothing special.
>
> Other tricks to produce vintage fealing :
> (I didnt use for CS80 sound)
>
> Keypress Detune :
> In Polyphonic Analog Synths the Oszillator are rotating. If you press 6
> times a note its always another oszillator you will hear. It makes sense
> because then there is no OSC that is used more often than the others an
> will
> get older because of this reason.
> But no analog OSC is perfect in tune and therefore everytime you ll press
> a
> key tuning changes.
> Use the AN1X Matrix : Keyrandom : Scene Detune : around 30
>
> Streched Detune :
> A piano is an good example for streched detuning. Also Runing of a
> mellotron is streched.
> Use the AN1X Matrix : Keytrack : Fine Tune OSC 1 / 2
>
> Inner Detune :
> Using streched detuning only for one OSC, OSC1 and OSC2 will be Keytrack
> detuned.
> But you can achive the same using a littele bit of FM Modulation.
>
> Random Detune over Time :
> I used this for the mellotrons via Free EG. Speed of the Tape is not
> stable.
>
> Noise :
> Thats very important. Always add a little bit of noise to avoid a digital
> Charakter. An1x provides white noise. A bandpass noise would be better. In
> some cases you ll have to create this via FM Modulation. I did this for
> the
> Mellotron Flute.
>
> Yamaha GX1
> Thats the famous Yamaha Elecone Organ including an CS80
>
> Yamaha GS1
> Thats an mixture of DX7, Clavianova including analog filter functions ?
> I germany its very famous becauase of this song :
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Llvc4TMWphI&feature=related
> I emulated the GS1 sound already on my Triton LE.
> Demo GS1 Triton Le
> http://home.arcor.de/richardon/2008/tanz.mp3
>
> Would be no problem for An1x
> But i never use the sound on stage. I dont like it :-)
>
> Cheers
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nate King" <nate@...>
> To: <AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 4:25 AM
> Subject: [AN1x] Electone patches
>
> Hihi
>
> Richie's patches( mellotron, epianos , and cs-80) have me wondering if
> there's any good electone style patches out there. Like ex-1, gx-1, d-80
> etc. I've been really looking for that brassy string sound of late. For a
> point of reference, YouTube metronomy "the looks".
> I haven't tinkered with the cs-80 patches much lately, so it's possible I
> should just tweak those.
> And if not, I'll work on them and share. I'm just looking for the easy way
> out late on a monday night.
>
> Thanks and happy synth-ing!
> nate
> On Feb 20, 2012 8:56 PM, "Bastiaan Van de werk" <vandewerk@...>
> wrote:
>
> > ∗∗
> >
> >
> > Thanks for the tip. It would be nice though to
> > be able to manage patches a bit more elegantly... I don't care much for
> > editing on a computer (I'm quite comfortable on the An1x myself) but it
> > would be nice to be able
> > to have a librarian of sorts allowing me to send / receive patches to /
> > from specific locations so I can assemble banks of my favorite sounds.
> >
> > I have OSX Lion but a Win7 Partition on my iMac as well - it would suck
> to
> > have to use an old machine just to upload banks of patches though....
> >
> > OSX seems out of the question though... :(
> >
> > Any tips?
> >
> > --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, Chris Gregory <chris@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > C6 does a good job: http://www.elektron.se/support-and-downloads
> > >
> > > Yes, they really are fantastic sounds. They sound more musical than
> > > any mellotron samples I've ever come across.
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> > > On 19 February 2012 02:47, bas <bastiaan@...> wrote:
> > > > I've just listened to these demos after not having used my An1x for 2
> > years or so....
> > > >
> > > > ∗ JAWDROPPER ∗
> > > >
> > > > I thought that I knew my An1x quite well including the range of
> sounds
> > one can coax from it but this is beyond anything I thought possible.....
> > > >
> > > > Now I need to find a way to import these patches using OSC 10.7
> > > >
> > > > --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "denis_mathys2001"
> > <denis_mathys2001@> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Wonderful job! The sounds are so soulful and inspiring. Many thanks
> > for sharing them.
> > > >>
> > > >> --- In AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com, "richardon" <richardon@> wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Hi
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Actually i completed my An1X Mellotron project and posted the
> > results to the AN1X yahoo folder.
> > > >> > The sounds are tested and adjusted to the templates with an
> > Dynacord 12/2 Keymonitor.
> > > >> > The file contains :
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Violins+Brass (Watcher of the skies)
> > > >> > Violins
> > > >> > Flute
> > > >> > Flute+Strings
> > > >> > Male choir
> > > >> > Female Choir
> > > >> > Cello
> > > >> > Cello+Violins
> > > >> > Mandoline
> > > >> > Strings+Choir
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I implemented unfiltered Mellotrons. Unsing the Modulation wheel
> > you will get filtered versions
> > > >> > The Modulation wheel will also increase reverb, blend two sounds
> > and do other stuff.
> > > >> > The Pitch bender simulates the Mellotron Tape speed.
> > > >> > The Ribbon X increaeses Reverb.
> > > >> > Mellotron is dynamically concerning Attack times. Thats easy to do
> > with AN1X.
> > > >> > Some decent note off effects are programmed too.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Some Demos :
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Violins+Brass (Watcher of the skies) In der Endversion doch noch
> > etwas "entschaerft".
> > > >> > http://home.arcor.de/richardon/2012/watcher.mp3
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Cello :
> > > >> > http://home.arcor.de/richardon/2011/cello.mp3
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Female+Strings, Male, Female (plus boys), Mandoline :
> > > >> > http://home.arcor.de/richardon/2012/mello2012.mp3
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Strawberry Floete :
> > > >> > http://home.arcor.de/richardon/2011/melflute.mp3
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Have fun with your new Mellotron An1X .
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Ciao
> > > >> > richy
> > > >> >
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> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
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