I've got 2 BCR controllers (I use them to program my JX3p and 8P). They work 'great', but are a bit over sized, smaller would be nicer.
They also do midi merging for you, I often run a sequencer to the BCR then thru to the JX-3P thus allowing the notes to play while I also tweak the parameters (filter etc)
Get a 2nd hand on on ebay rather than new, the midi is reliable, the USB is flaky (connector can break at back etc) - if you are just using it as I do then 'midi only' is fine - you can program it from the PC via midi also (or 'self learn' from the gear by moving the parameter of interest while assigning to the control on the BCR).
> To: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com
> From: jf.serviere@...
> Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 19:56:46 +0200
> Subject: Re: [AN1x] bring all the power to real life
>
> Holá Nicolas!
> is it this one ?
> http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/BCR2000.aspx
> What's about the keyboard? You have another one ?
> In this case you have to get a small accessory called a MIDI merger to
> "mix" MIDI codes from the keyboard and the Behringer BCR knobs to your
> AN 200. "Keyboards with knobs" do that "naturally"... on another hand
> basic mergers are cheap... but often "filter" MIDI messages other than
> notes, velocity and program change, because of the lack of speed and
> memory of the µPs inside.
> Cheers.
> J.F.
>
> Nicolás Marquestó a écrit :
> >
> > Jeff, thanks again for your time, i´m learning a lot in this days.
> > si was thinking in the behringer bcr for midi control, what do you
> > thing of this one?
> >
> > --- El jue 29-abr-10, Jeff <jf.serviere@...
> > <mailto:jf.serviere%40wanadoo.fr>> escribió:
> >
> > De: Jeff <jf.serviere@... <mailto:jf.serviere%40wanadoo.fr>>
> > Asunto: Re: [AN1x] bring all the power to real life
> > Para: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AN1x-list%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Fecha: jueves, 29 de abril de 2010, 17:43
> >
> > Nicolás Marquestó a écrit :
> > >
> > > Hello Jeff !!
> > > First of all, thank you for the answere, i´m very happy with this new,
> > > there is a whole world inside this little box. I dont know if it sound
> > > good or bad because is my first synth, but i´m learning a lot of the
> > > substractive world with it and the posibility of controlling other
> > > things/parameters such as the LF2, PWM, Ring Modulator, etc. could
> > > open a whole new conception of "know How".
> > > Do you know where can i find a tutorial or something like that in
> > > order to learn how to program a midi controller and the synth?, i´m a
> > > newby on this world and i feel lost with all the midi stuff. i have
> > > the complete manual with the "data sheet" with the midi implementation
> > > but i dont understand a single word.
> > > I´m thinking on buying a M-audio Oxygen 25, do you know if this
> > > controller cound bring the hidden stuff to my hands or maybe i look
> > > for another one?
> > > Thanks again for you time and patience!
> > > Cheers from Argentina!!!!
> > >
> > Hello Nicolas !
> > i don't know very much the AN200, for me it's half an AN1x without
> > keyboard plus 4 extra rythm tracks and some percussion sounds. IMHO the
> > AN1x sounds very well compared to other "virtual analog synths" (i have
> > one, plus a Red Sound Elevata and i've tried others similar instruments
> > before, Roland JP 8000, Virus...). The AN1x is a little less "user
> > friendly" (multi function knobs and switches) than its competitors but
> > nothing awful...such as the AN200.
> > MIDI is a communication protocol between electronic instruments,
> > something like a "musical RS 232" on the hardware part, because it is a
> > serial port, and a "common language" between all these different
> > instruments and software(s). Computer analogy : basic, C++, java etc...
> > MIDI knows 16 "channels" which are not physical but logical, like an
> > internet or computer memory address. For exemple if you send notes on
> > the channel 13 only the instrument(s) listening at this address play,
> > others stay quiet even if they are "hooked on the same cable"
> > Some MIDI messages are understood by any instrument, mostly the note,
> > velocity (= strength) and to some extent after touch (but an electronic
> > piano has no aftertouch capability, nor some old synths).
> > Others are "system exclusive" messages, that means "dedicated to one
> > instrument and ignored by others". MIDI system exclusive messages begin
> > by a "system exclusive code" followed by the instrument identifier
> > (brand - type ....), all the instrument specific data you want to send
> > and end by an "end of S.E. message" code. I don't remember the
> > hexadecimal values, sorry... Typically this is the structure of the
> > sound patches you want to load in your synth from a computer or store in
> > the opposite way.
> > In between you have the "system common" messages, for example "progam
> > change" . If you send a "progam change 54" on the channel 10, all the
> > instruments listening on this channel will jump on the patch n° 54 no
> > matter what is their brand and model.
> > You can have more details on MIDI on Wikipedia or other websites.
> > About substractive synthesis... as the name says you remove some
> > harmonics by filtering an electronic signal. The most popular, available
> > on most synths because they are easy to produce : sawtooth, square,
> > triangle, sine... this refers to the waveform of the signal. Each has a
> > different harmonic content , i.e. sine has no harmonics , square only
> > odd harmonics ... leading to different type of sounds.
> > Sine gives a very dull sound, triangle sounds a bit like a wood flute,
> > saw sounds like strings or brass, square waves can emulate a pipe organ
> > or an oboe... Suggestion : take one of the sounds of your AN200, get
> > into the edit mode and change only the waveform of the VCOs, then listen.
> > PWM applies to the square wave and changes its duty cycle periodically
> > with a LFO for example, changing its harmonic content (extreme duty
> > cycles add some even harmonics)
> > Ring modulation multiplies 2 waveforms giving birth to "unharmonic
> > harmonics", very useful for example to emulate bells, cymbals or add a
> > "metallic edge" to a sound depending on the level of modulation.
> > That's all for the"electronics course" this evening...once again you can
> > visit Wikipedia, at the page "sound synthesis techniques".
> >
> > Tutorial : i have something called "AN1x voice setup guide" somewhere in
> > my computer, i'll send it to you directly if i can remember where is the
> > file. Of course the split or dual layer sound are out of reach of the
> > AN200 but the sound examples are well explained, how to do, why choose a
> > saw and not a triangle, what does an enveloppe, a LFO etc.. etc...
> >
> > M Audio "Oxygen 25" : i'm afraid it has no MIDI out socket, only USB,
> > and the AN200 has no USB ... The similar M-Audio "Axiom 25" has both USB
> > AND MIDI ports : if you want only 25 keys, take this one...
> > Cheers.
> > J.F.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- El mar 27-abr-10, Jeff <jf.serviere@...
> > <mailto:jf.serviere%40wanadoo.fr>
> > > <mailto:jf.serviere%40wanadoo.fr>> escribió:
> > >
> > > De: Jeff <jf.serviere@... <mailto:jf.serviere%40wanadoo.fr>
> > <mailto:jf.serviere%40wanadoo.fr>>
> > > Asunto: Re: [AN1x] bring all the power to real life
> > > Para: AN1x-list@yahoogroups.com <mailto:AN1x-list%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:AN1x-list%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Fecha: martes, 27 de abril de 2010, 15:53
> > >
> > > Hello doc' !
> > > you're right : you can buy a MIDI keyboard with some extra knobs and
> > > switches to get a deeper access to your AN200 parameters without any
> > > computer. And of course to play it with real keys...
> > > BUT ...
> > > 1) be sure that your future keyboard's knobs are user programmable, i.e.
> > > you can address a specific MIDI control inside your sound box not
> > > available from the front panel with a dedicated switch or knob on the
> > > keyboard.
> > > 2)be sure that you have the complete manual and MIDI implementation
> > > chart of both the AN200 and the keyboard in order to program all that
> > > stuff .
> > > 3) maybe the most important thing : some master keyboards have only an
> > > USB i/o, not the traditionnal MIDI in and MIDI out ports, because
> > > they're intended to control "virtual synth" softwares on a computer and
> > > not a hardware instrument such as the AN200.
> > > And don't forget to keep cool once you have your new keyboard,
> > > programming the knobs can be a little time consuming.
> > > Some affordable gear : look at M-Audio or CME master keyboards.
> > > Cheers
> > > J.F.
> > >
> > > dr_saraza_atiende a écrit :
> > > >
> > > > hi there, last week i bought a yamaha an200, is my firts synthesizer
> > > > and i´m learning a lot of things with this box, i´m very happy with
> > > > the overall sound, althougt i dont have other machine to compare to.
> > > > since i read the manual there is a question that is eating me: Can i
> > > > bring all the synthesis potential back to real life not using the
> > > > software?. Im a live musician so, i dont want to be tight to a
> > > > computer to get all the programing hability out. So i was thinking on
> > > > buying a midi controller in order to have a keyboard to play. But when
> > > > i realized that this box has hidden things like: ring modulator, pwm,
> > > > LF2, etc. the idea of controlling this hidden things from knobs in the
> > > > midi keyboard suddenly appear. Is that posible o is just a crazy idea?
> > > > I hope someone could help me.
> > > > Chears from Argentina!
> > > >
> > > >
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