[sdiy] [Polluriel détecté] Re: Reliable MIDI recording app for PC.. Or my Sonar X3 Pro DAW is not set correctly..
H.Sergio Alves
theatomlabspt at gmail.com
Thu Oct 30 20:16:06 CET 2025
SysEx is an expanded version of midi in sort of way. The Sonar should be
able to read just midi note on-off all off without the need for SysEx.
SysEx is used on synths UI and more when you need expanded messages beyond
standard MIDI.
On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 at 19:10, Chromatest J. Pantsmaker via Synth-diy <
synth-diy at synth-diy.org> wrote:
> If your Piano player is only sending Note On, Off, and All Notes Off,
> where is the Sysex coming from?
>
> On Thu, Oct 30, 2025 at 11:55 AM H.Sergio Alves via Synth-diy <
> synth-diy at synth-diy.org> wrote:
>
>> I’m wondering if sonar is getting messed up because of no clock? I know
>> midi doesn’t need clock signal but for recording and keep the timing
>> wouldn’t that be advisable?
>>
>> On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 at 18:51, <jpdesroc at oricom.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> Here is a very small MIDI-OX snapshot of what my player send as MIDI
>>> datas..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And at the end *All Notes Off* message when I stop my motors..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 00021F06 2 -- 91 27 7F 2 Eb 2 Note On
>>>
>>> 00021F07 2 -- 91 4B 7F 2 Eb 5 Note On
>>>
>>> 00021F0B 2 -- 91 1B 7F 2 Eb 1 Note On
>>>
>>> 00021F0C 2 -- 91 57 7F 2 Eb 6 Note On
>>>
>>> 00021F10 2 -- 91 3B 7F 2 B 3 Note On
>>>
>>> 00021F31 2 -- 91 4E 7F 2 F# 5 Note On
>>>
>>> 00021F33 2 -- 91 5F 7F 2 B 6 Note On
>>>
>>> 00021F6A 2 -- 81 47 7F 2 B 4 Note Off
>>>
>>> 00021F95 2 -- 91 5A 7F 2 F# 6 Note On
>>>
>>> 00021FBB 2 -- 91 3F 7F 2 Eb 4 Note On
>>>
>>> 00021FF3 2 -- 81 3B 7F 2 B 3 Note Off
>>>
>>> 00021FFF 2 -- 81 57 7F 2 Eb 6 Note Off
>>>
>>> 00022000 2 -- 81 5F 7F 2 B 6 Note Off
>>>
>>> 00022003 2 -- 81 53 7F 2 B 5 Note Off
>>>
>>> 0002202A 2 -- 91 57 7F 2 Eb 6 Note On
>>>
>>> 00022051 2 -- 91 42 7F 2 F# 4 Note On
>>>
>>> 00022078 2 -- 81 4E 7F 2 F# 5 Note Off
>>>
>>> 00022087 2 -- 81 5A 7F 2 F# 6 Note Off
>>>
>>> 0002208B 2 -- 81 3F 7F 2 Eb 4 Note Off
>>>
>>> 0002208C 2 -- 81 4B 7F 2 Eb 5 Note Off
>>>
>>> 000220B0 2 -- 91 47 7F 2 B 4 Note On
>>>
>>> 000220CF 2 -- 81 1B 7F 2 Eb 1 Note Off
>>>
>>> 000220D0 2 -- 81 27 7F 2 Eb 2 Note Off
>>>
>>> 00022106 2 -- 81 42 7F 2 F# 4 Note Off
>>>
>>> 00022117 2 -- 81 57 7F 2 Eb 6 Note Off
>>>
>>> 00022140 2 -- 91 36 7F 2 F# 3 Note On
>>>
>>> 0002214A 2 -- 91 3F 7F 2 Eb 4 Note On
>>>
>>> 0002214B 2 -- 91 4B 7F 2 Eb 5 Note On
>>>
>>> 0002214C 2 -- 91 57 7F 2 Eb 6 Note On
>>>
>>> 00022150 2 -- 91 17 7F 2 B 0 Note On
>>>
>>> 00022151 2 -- 91 3B 7F 2 B 3 Note On
>>>
>>> 00022158 2 -- 91 23 7F 2 B 1 Note On
>>>
>>> 00022164 2 -- 91 53 7F 2 B 5 Note On
>>>
>>> 0002216D 2 -- 91 5A 7F 2 F# 6 Note On
>>>
>>> 00022173 2 -- 91 5F 7F 2 B 6 Note On
>>>
>>> 0002217A 2 -- 91 4E 7F 2 F# 5 Note On
>>>
>>> 000221A9 2 -- 81 47 7F 2 B 4 Note Off
>>>
>>> 00022316 2 -- 81 4E 7F 2 F# 5 Note Off
>>>
>>> 0002231F 2 -- 81 36 7F 2 F# 3 Note Off
>>>
>>> 00022326 2 -- 81 5A 7F 2 F# 6 Note Off
>>>
>>> 0002232B 2 -- 81 23 7F 2 B 1 Note Off
>>>
>>> 0002232C 2 -- 81 3B 7F 2 B 3 Note Off
>>>
>>> 0002232D 2 -- 81 3F 7F 2 Eb 4 Note Off
>>>
>>> 0002232E 2 -- 81 4B 7F 2 Eb 5 Note Off
>>>
>>> 00022330 2 -- 81 57 7F 2 Eb 6 Note Off
>>>
>>> 00022331 2 -- 81 5F 7F 2 B 6 Note Off
>>>
>>> 00022335 2 -- 81 17 7F 2 B 0 Note Off
>>>
>>> 00022336 2 -- 81 53 7F 2 B 5 Note Off
>>>
>>> 00022380 2 -- B1 7B 00 2 --- CC: All Notes Off
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *De :* H.Sergio Alves <theatomlabspt at gmail.com>
>>> *Envoyé :* 30 octobre 2025 14:23
>>> *À :* jpdesroc at oricom.ca
>>> *Cc :* John Speth <johnspeth at yahoo.com>; SYNTH DIY <
>>> synth-diy at synth-diy.org>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Objet :* Re: [sdiy] [Polluriel détecté] Re: Reliable MIDI recording
>>> app for PC.. Or my Sonar X3 Pro DAW is not set correctly..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Have you tried midi ox to monitor what’s being sent?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 at 18:20, Jean-Pierre Desrochers via Synth-diy <
>>> synth-diy at synth-diy.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> My program only outputs the following MIDI datas:
>>>
>>> NOTE ON (paper hole detected)
>>>
>>> NOTE OFF (paper hole finished)
>>>
>>> ALL NOTES OFF (when rewinding my paper rolls only. Never else)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So there is no ‘big’ MIDI traffic involved here to the Sonar MIDI input.
>>>
>>> But the number of voices can go up to around 20 in some parts
>>> of songs but rarely. Mostly around 10-15 notes played at the same time.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike Briant asked:
>>>
>>> *>> **What else is on the USB connectors of the PC ? Anything else
>>> taking lots of bandwidth (a USB3->HDMI display for example ?)*
>>>
>>> I use a 5 pins DIN MIDI connector to my Focusrite Scarlett 2i4 USB
>>> device.
>>>
>>> No other USB devices used on my PC during MIDI recordings.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I tried using only *Note*s and remove *System Exclusive* from the
>>> ‘authorized’ record datas.
>>>
>>> It improved the recorded datas but still some lags inserted
>>> here and there..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *De :* Synth-diy <synth-diy-bounces at synth-diy.org> *De la part de* John
>>> Speth via Synth-diy
>>> *Envoyé :* 30 octobre 2025 11:03
>>> *À :* SYNTH DIY <synth-diy at synth-diy.org>
>>> *Objet :* Re: [sdiy] [Polluriel détecté] Re: Reliable MIDI recording
>>> app for PC.. Or my Sonar X3 Pro DAW is not set correctly..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *>> Do the hesitations happen in the same way each time when you start
>>> playback? *
>>>
>>> Yes. Same way, same places. The lags are recorded on the MIDI track.
>>>
>>> "The lags are recorded on the MIDI track."??? Does that mean the gaps
>>> are in your recorded event list? If so, that's not a playback problem.
>>> That's a recording problem. Your filter is set to record note on/off and
>>> sysex. Does your event list only contain note on/off and sysex? If you
>>> change your filter to not record sysex, do you still have valid test
>>> conditions for you to see the problem? IOW, if you don't record sysex,
>>> will playback be silent because sysex was needed? Disable sysex recording
>>> as a test. There's no lasting harm in doing so I assume.
>>>
>>> I think the next step is to monitor MIDI data with a MIDI monitor during
>>> recording. There might be some sort of MIDI data clogging up the MIDI
>>> stream. MIDI is capacity limited. So, for example, if sysex is constantly
>>> being pumped along with note on/off, you could plausibly see hesitations.
>>> Monitor in both directions (if you're using both directions).
>>>
>>> I recently had a Cakewalk experience that showed a bug regarding .MID
>>> files. I took an interest in the "Situation" by Yazoo MIDI file. When I
>>> loaded it into free Sonar, I had many problems running it (problems I don't
>>> remember). I tried two other .MID files and never had the same problems. I
>>> concluded that the Yazoo .MID file contained something that corrupted
>>> Cakewalk. I tried the same exercise with Bandlab and noted the same
>>> problem. I concluded that there is some sort of bug associated with some
>>> .MID files in Cakewalk and that the this mysterious bug has been around for
>>> a while. I would try a different sequencer. You should be able to find at
>>> least a few free ones, including online sequencers. The bottom line is: CW
>>> has bugs and it probably always will.
>>>
>>> If you haven't done so yet, install and use MIDI-OX. It's a swiss army
>>> knife tool for MIDI. It has a MIDI monitor and will let you confirm your
>>> MIDI data that you record has no hesitations by taking Sonar out of the
>>> picture.
>>>
>>> JJS
>>>
>>>
>>>
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